Would you take Rodgers at United?

[devilish]

Sun on Sunday reporting this:

• Brendan Rodgers has moved a step closer to the Manchester United job by going house-hunting in Cheshire.

According the United stand we gave Ole 9 days of holiday. Players were given the choice to either train with the kids or follow the man at the wheel on holiday. Martial for example who is as committed as the guy at the wheel had gone skiing.

This time could be used to drill the play to play the new 3-5-2 system efficiently or at least tackle issues like the ones we've got on set pieces etc.Some of these issues will still be there even if we hire a new manager as pushing one's vision takes time. Instead a big chunk of our players are on a break as holidays seems to have come early at United. The rest are playing football with the likes of Mcneill and Hugill which makes you wonder how that will possibly help when facing the likes of Chelsea and Villareal. So unless a new manager is coming in then the club, Ole and the players are set to look like a bunch of amateurs who couldn't handle the pressure and couldn't wait to take a holiday. Honestly our players should be training hard irrespective on whether Ole is staying or leaving. That's because you don't reward mediocrity with a holiday.

 

[tenpoless]

It was only Suarez. Sturridge was a one season wonder, and Sterling was extremely frustrating. I would even go as far as to say that he didn't utilize him correctly, because he became world class at City and tripled his numbers.

Sturridge was always injury prone and Chelsea sold him. The fact that Rodgers could utilize him and made him a decent striker was quite good to be fair. I remember people kept comparing him and Welbeck. Look at where they were, Sturridge was miles ahead of Welbeck despite getting injured more frequenty.

 

[gajender]

According the United stand we gave Ole 9 days of holiday. Players were given the choice to either train with the kids or follow the man at the wheel on holiday. Martial for example who is as committed as the guy at the wheel had gone skiing.

This time could be used to drill the play to play the new 3-5-2 system efficiently or at least tackle issues like the ones we've got on set pieces etc. Instead a big chunk of our players are on a break as holidays seems to have come early at United. The rest are playing football with the likes of Mcneill and Hugill which makes you wonder how that will possibly help when facing the likes of Chelsea and Villareal. So unless a new manager is coming in then the club, Ole and the players are set to look like a bunch of amateurs who couldn't handle the pressure and couldn't wait to take a holiday. Honestly our players should be training hard irrespective on whether Ole is staying or leaving. That's because you don't reward mediocrity with a holiday.

Sometimes I wonder what goes through you mind Devilish, you make so many contradictory points in your posts that it's hard to keep up just in your latest post you have blasted Martial for going on holiday like his manager and not training with the kids but then you also have raised concerns about the usefulness of actually training with the kids .

You have repeatedly made the point about incompetence of United's coaching personnel but want them to make extra effort to help players learn how to play new formation efficiently in few weeks when we can't even play the formation we have been playing for almost 2 years well enough , how does that work please enlighten us.

 

[Flexdegea]

Annoyed? Just comes across pretty childish to be honest.

Think it's past your bedtime mate.

It actually was mate

 

[devilish]

Sometimes I wonder what goes through you mind Devilish, you make so many contradictory points in your posts that it's hard to keep up just in your latest post you have blasted Martial for going on holiday like his manager and not training with the kids but then you also have raised concerns about the usefulness of actually training with the kids .

You have repeatedly made the point about incompetence of United's coaching personnel but want them to make extra effort to help players learn how to play new formation efficiently in few weeks when we can't even play the formation we have been playing for almost 2 years well enough , how does that work please enlighten us.

There is no contradiction whatsoever.
Our first team should be training together with first team coaches irrespective whether the manager is staying or not. That's because we are mid way in the season and even if we sign a new manager today it will take him time to settle down and push his vision through.

First team training > youth training >holidaying. I can't believe that I have to explain that

 

[MrMarcello]

What would be funny with Rodgers is if per say he coached United to the league title the enduring "we won the league with your reject" chants. But that's probably as likely as Leicester winning the league in 15-16.

 

[mark clatternburg]

What would be funny with Rodgers is if per say he coached United to the league title the enduring "we won the league with your reject" chants. But that's probably as likely as Leicester winning the league in 15-16.

That was a fluke. The “big teams”, “didnt show up”.

 

[gajender]

There is no contradiction whatsoever.
Our first team should be training together with first team coaches irrespective whether the manager is staying or not. That's because we are mid way in the season and even if we sign a new manager today it will take him time to settle down and push his vision through.

First team training > youth training >holidaying. I can't believe that I have to explain that

Do you believe our first team coaches are of requisite standards if yes then it makes sense for them to increase their efforts because it might bring better results on the field but if not it might just make things even worse with new formation they are trying to incorporate on the field .
Just to add you yourself questioned the wisdom of first team players training with youth I didn't .

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

He surely would not have been my number one choice but I would take him now without hesitation. I do not see great alternatives. Ten Hag and Poch are probably unavailable for the time being and all the other great names even more so.
If it is between him and Zidane I would definitely vote for him.

 

[ForeverRed1]

I like him, he plays good football.. he’s never managed a squad with as good players as we got either so would be interesting to see what he could do... I know I’m in a minority...

 

[Mainoldo]

There is no contradiction whatsoever.
Our first team should be training together with first team coaches irrespective whether the manager is staying or not. That's because we are mid way in the season and even if we sign a new manager today it will take him time to settle down and push his vision through.

First team training > youth training >holidaying. I can't believe that I have to explain that

Mate if they guy in charge says do what you like whilst doing the totally wrong thing at the same time… Nobody below him should be blamed for the actions they pick.

You think Pep would be going fishing in the middle of a crisis?

 

[andersj]

I must have dreamt up that Liverpool side of 2014.

And the recent 4-2 against United in which they rang rings around our superstars. Oh, but then you can't really judge how a team plays against Ole. Anything would look good.

When you are critical of Rodgers you keep getting replies similar to this post. And I kind of get it. But why do one season or one game trump all other seasons and games?

He has coached for close to seven season in total in the PL. During this time, he has one good season in terms of goal scoring. Looking at his carrier it is obviously a huge outlier. Much down to one incredible player. Without that player, he has never really played good, attacking or entertaining football. Remove that season and his teams average 1,56 goals per game in the PL. Equal to 60 goals over 38 games. That is basically the same as Rafael Benitez. Very few would label him an attacking coach.

(Pochettino average 1,74 goals per game in the PL, equal to 66 goals in 38 games. Few label him attacking either.)

 

[pocco]

I like him, he plays good football.. he’s never managed a squad with as good players as we got either so would be interesting to see what he could do... I know I’m in a minority...

I'm with you. I get why some don't want him but I think he's a good coach and has had a solid career so far. I only see us being a lot better to watch under him and he'll get us doing all the things Ole couldn't, tactically and technically. I bet he'll sort the midfield without even signing a player, for example. Or at least make it functional.

 

[Trophy Room]

We won’t win another league title for a decade at least. It’s bizzare how the universe works in terms of timing.

 

[Leftback99]

I must have dreamt up that Liverpool side of 2014.

And the recent 4-2 against United in which they rang rings around our superstars. Oh, but then you can't really judge how a team plays against Ole. Anything would look good.

25% of their goals (20% of their xg) this season came in that one game. Basically one 10 minute spell when we had fallen apart, but let's all believe he plays great attacking football.

 

[Bebestation]

I feel that I wouldn't mind Rodgers as manager but it's kind of the wrong time to go for him - the managerial competition is too complex now.

Why go for him now - only for him to get sacked for not achieving the near impossible?

He Has to take on Tuchel at Chelsea, Klopp at Liverpool, Pep at City, Conte at Tottenham and god knows who at Leicester or Arsenal in a years time.

The time when he was Liverpool manager - the quality of manager was no where near the level it's seen now in the PL.

I say this because - Klopp and Pep has talked about leaving Liverpool and City in the next few years. Tuchel and Conte have been quite historically short term managers.

The managerial quality seems like it will go down and having the ability to go for Brendan Rodgers as one of our managerial options then seems better when the competition might be a little easier for him to go and actually win something here with United.

Why just hire him now, sack him for not winning titles vs Pep, Tuchel, Klopp - then not have the ability to really hire him when those tough managers have maybe gone to a different league or a different job?


It's like La Liga - the quality of managers can go down just as it can go up, having the ability to sign Brendan Rodgers when the quality of the league managers go down would be good for us.

Signing him now & sacking him seems a bit stupid.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Rodgers is just so underwhelming.

The club should go all out for Ten Hag.

 

[JPRouve]

I just point to point out that Rodgers is younger than ten Hag.

 

[AndyMUFC86]

Right now I’d take a bottled title challenge. Big improvement on the last 8 years.

 

[UncleBob]

If we completely feck this up and go for Rodgers, i think I’ll take a break from watching football.

 

[AndyMUFC86]

When you are critical of Rodgers you keep getting replies similar to this post. And I kind of get it. But why do one season or one game trump all other seasons and games?

He has coached for close to seven season in total in the PL. During this time, he has one good season in terms of goal scoring. Looking at his carrier it is obviously a huge outlier. Much down to one incredible player. Without that player, he has never really played good, attacking or entertaining football. Remove that season and his teams average 1,56 goals per game in the PL. Equal to 60 goals over 38 games. That is basically the same as Rafael Benitez. Very few would label him an attacking coach.

(Pochettino average 1,74 goals per game in the PL, equal to 66 goals in 38 games. Few label him attacking either.)

He never had CR7 smashing goals in for him before with Bruno feeding chances. Anyone who can get these clicking together will have success

 

[pocco]

When you are critical of Rodgers you keep getting replies similar to this post. And I kind of get it. But why do one season or one game trump all other seasons and games?

He has coached for close to seven season in total in the PL. During this time, he has one good season in terms of goal scoring. Looking at his carrier it is obviously a huge outlier. Much down to one incredible player. Without that player, he has never really played good, attacking or entertaining football. Remove that season and his teams average 1,56 goals per game in the PL. Equal to 60 goals over 38 games. That is basically the same as Rafael Benitez. Very few would label him an attacking coach.

(Pochettino average 1,74 goals per game in the PL, equal to 66 goals in 38 games. Few label him attacking either.)

I know the stats say one thing but when you watch his teams you know they are attacking. I mean, I believe Leicester under Rodgers are the only team to score 5 Vs a Guardiola managed team when they beat City 5-1 last season. I think they've scored 11 against us in the last 4 meetings and played some good football.

 

[McGrathsipan]

I like him, he plays good football.. he’s never managed a squad with as good players as we got either so would be interesting to see what he could do... I know I’m in a minority...

I think you're over estimating our players. They are hardly the galacticos.
Other than Fernandes and Ronaldo there isn't one of the I'd be sad to see leave.

Rodgers is a good manager. Like him or not. But I do think we need something better than him

 

[duffer]

I can't see him moving to Man United. A few more years at Leicester then he'll come back to Chelsea I reckon.

 

[UncleBob]

I know the stats say one thing but when you watch his teams you know they are attacking. I mean, I believe Leicester under Rodgers are the only team to score 5 Vs a Guardiola managed team when they beat City 5-1 last season. I think they've scored 11 against us in the last 4 meetings and played some good football.

How many Did Villa score against Liverpool again?

 

[JPRouve]

I can't see him moving to Man United. A few more years at Leicester then he'll come back to Chelsea I reckon.

I have thought about this, his chelsea connection seem to be overlooked and he could be a good manager for you in a few years. Also people are a bit harsh with him, he was pretty young manager when he joined Liverpool.

 

[edgecutter]

The positive of having Rodgers as manager is the fact that it will end the blind loyalty that we have witnessed over oles tenure. If he isn't good enough fans will call him out on it.

 

[Bebestation]

If we completely feck this up and go for Rodgers, i think I’ll take a break from watching football.

Your supposed to make me not want Rodgers as manager

 

[UncleBob]

Your supposed to make me not want Rodgers as manager

Pro’s and cons with everything, that’s life.

 

[Ixion]

Right now I’d take a bottled title challenge. Big improvement on the last 8 years.

I will take any kind of genuine title challenge, no more being 15 points behind in March..or November as it looks now.

 

[sullydnl]

Right now I’d take a bottled title challenge. Big improvement on the last 8 years.

A bottled title challenge would indeed be an improvement.

The worry is if the years that would cost us could be spent actually winning under a better manager. And (if Rodgers has influence over recruitment) that he might damage the squad with mediocre signings, meaning the next guy is taking over in a worse position.

 

[Zoo]

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[Hansi Fick]

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Because the thought of returning to a house where Klopp lived for so many years is understandably a bit gross.

 

[Bebestation]

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That's easier than Zidane learning English.

Think we are done here.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I’ve come around to the idea of Rodgers being a good move for Man Utd…

Better than Ole - definite check

Capable of winning trophies - check

NO STUPID EMOTIONAL CONNECTION WITH THE SAPPY FANS - Huge check

Would get treated like a normal manager and sacked if underperforming - check

This is what Utd needs imo. Anything to get rid of the Solskjaer and the bizarre toxicity that the club has created for itself.

Could Utd do better? Yes. But at the moment the club is a joke, Rodgers could serve as a bridge out of the current situation for them.

A Rodgers bridge extension build onto the original Ole bridge. The board sure love their bridges.

 

[andersj]

I know the stats say one thing but when you watch his teams you know they are attacking. I mean, I believe Leicester under Rodgers are the only team to score 5 Vs a Guardiola managed team when they beat City 5-1 last season. I think they've scored 11 against us in the last 4 meetings and played some good football.

I agree that Rodgers is a more positive coach than Allardyce, Moyes etc. More willing to take risk and push up more people in the last third, often at the cost of the balance of the team. But he is not able to play proactive football against a good team. The build-up play of his team, and transition from defence to attack, is similar to Man Utd under Mou/OGS. Slow and not well-drilled. His teams dont press well either.

But I dont agree that when watching Leicester you get the impression that they are very attacking or entertaining. In fact, they move the ball rather slow.

Furthermore, to do well, or score much against Guardiola, you have to be reactive, good on the counter (just like Man Utd the past few years). In my opinion, that is a defensive tactic. That is fair, but is it really attacking?

 

[pocco]

The positive of having Rodgers as manager is the fact that it will end the blind loyalty that we have witnessed over oles tenure. If he isn't good enough fans will call him out on it.

Yeah this is the point. If he's a success, which he could be, then great. If he fails then he'll be gone. There should be no shame in that.

Even if a better option came along then I'd like us to consider it. The likes of Poch and Ten Hag may be more desirable for different reasons, but in terms of managing, experience etc they're all the same. Only excepting being Poch who hasn't got the trophies in smaller leagues yet.

But anybody claiming Ten Hag has to be the one are getting a bit carried away. Nothing to suggest he's in the same league as the likes of Pep, Klopp, Tuchel or Conte. There's an element of risk with any manager we go for from current options. All would be a lot better than Ole though.

 

[AndyMUFC86]

A bottled title challenge would indeed be an improvement.

The worry is if the years that would cost us could be spent actually winning under a better manager. And (if Rodgers has influence over recruitment) that he might damage the squad with mediocre signings, meaning the next guy is taking over in a worse position.

It’s much more difficult to make great signings on a budget. When 95% of players are signable it’s a touch easier.

 

[Leicester Fox]

It’s a mixed bag, I’d say.

1st season:
Tielemans: that was initially a loan by Puel and somehow they managed to keep him after it, so not 100% sure I’d give him that one. Though Rodgers has clearly helped the players development get back on track.
Praet: dud, barely played and he’s currently out on loan in Italy again.
Justin: did look a prospect in their first team for a while until he got injured
Perez: big miss. Probably the worst one. £30m and almost all of their fans hate him

2nd season:
Castagne: alright-ish level player. Good squad/12th man sort of standard
Fofana: very good prospect, shame about the injury
Under: was a punt of a loan who barely played, can’t really hold that against him too much

3rd season:
Daka: probably too early to say but he looks decent. Fast striker who I think has bagged a few in the Europa for them so far. Seems his signing has breathed life back into Vardy a little bit too who looked totally finished end of last season
Soumare: another that’s probably too early to say, but I don’t think his start has been great.
Vestegaard: another really bad one. Nearly £20m(?) on a PL defender who has been really poor this season. Doesn’t look good enough for the level Leicester want to be at.
Bertrand: (think you missed him) - as above, he’s just not good enough for anything other than cover. Although I think he was a free
Lookman: eh

As a Leicester season ticket holder, I’ll give my own thoughts.

Tielemans- a very good midfielder on his day, but sometimes goes missing when we’re not playing well.

Praet- A strange signing, never really got a chance even when we had injuries

Justin- What a player, literally burst on the scene and easily the most impressive player before his injury, boy did we miss him.

Perez- Another strange signing, hasn’t really got a position, but has been better this season in his cameos

Castagne- A very good player, but had to play a lot of games at left back which isn’t his best position

Fofana- What a prospect, makes mistakes which is expected, but he has everything, he is going to be a top player without doubt

Under- Was disappointing, showed flashes of brilliance, but wasn’t played due to lack of tracking back

Daka- Early signs very good and you can see why he scores goals for fun, a very good finisher

Soumare- Starting to settle in now, very strong and physical player, I like him and another destined for better things

Vestergaard and Bertrand- Awful signings, Vestergaard turns slower than the titanic, panic signings which have already gone wrong

Lookman- I like him, just needs to find consistency

My thoughts on Rodgers- I wouldn’t be to disappointed if he left, I genuinely feel we have gone stale under his management

When he first came, he was like a breath of fresh air, our press and quick incisive passing was brilliant, but after getting thumped by Liverpool the following season on Boxing Day, he changed tactics to this more possession based football, which I hate.

And to be honest he will improve your younger players, how he gets on with Ronaldo is anybody’s guess, but he worked with Suarez, so shouldn’t be to many problems.

 

[pocco]

I dont agree that when watching Leicester you get the impression that they are very attacking or entertaining. In fact, they move the ball rather slow. Just like Li

I agree that Rodgers is a more positive coach than Allardyce, Moyes etc. More willing to take risk and push up more people in the last third, often at the cost of the balance of the team. But he is not able to play proactive football against a good team. The build-up play of his team, and transition from defence to attack, is similar to Man Utd under Mou/OGS. Slow and not well-drilled.

His teams dont press well either.

Furthermore, to do well, or score much against Guardiola, you have to be reactive, good on the counter (just like Man Utd the past few years). In my opinion, that is a defensive tactic. That is fair, but is it really attacking?

It's going back a while but his Liverpool team were good at pressing and pretty slick to watch (the season they came second). He seems to be quite flexible tactically which isn't an issue for me. If he kills City on the counter then fine, but Leicester have looked good other than playing on the counter also. When they beat us in the cup last season, they had big injury issues and they still came together and played good football. Look at the comments after that game and see the praise they got.

He's best the big teams quite a few times with Leicester. Were they all counter attacking displays? I don't watch them enough to comment. But I'm judging him based off what I've seen against us and the other games I've watched.