I'm very quickly reaching this point. I just want a quick end to the nightmare now.
Have you ever been closer to wanting us to lose?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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I will always want us to win as I’m a Man United fan, so I’ll always support my players. There’s nothing more I want next week than a 0-5 win for us with Ronaldo notching a hat trick. However, I can obviously understand why people might want us to lose as well. If we lose to Watford, no normal human being can argue for Ole to stay anymore, including the useless Joel Glazer himself. It’s got to the point where no matter who we hire next, be it Rodgers, Poch or whoever, he will be a clear upgrade on Ole.
No matter your stance though, you, or me, have no right to tell anyone that they are not a fan. You supporting the team since 1878 or putting banners up saying ‘20LEGEND’ after beating one of the worst teams in the league 0-3, after the worst defeat in our modern history doesn’t make you a better fan than anyone else. Zip it and don’t insult anyone for having a different viewpoint, because all it does is make you less of a fan yourself for trying to cause division.
No matter your stance though, you, or me, have no right to tell anyone that they are not a fan. You supporting the team since 1878 or putting banners up saying ‘20LEGEND’ after beating one of the worst teams in the league 0-3, after the worst defeat in our modern history doesn’t make you a better fan than anyone else. Zip it and don’t insult anyone for having a different viewpoint, because all it does is make you less of a fan yourself for trying to cause division.
If only anything was guaranteed. What's your point? That we should keep Ole because a better manager might not succeed immediately?
Yep, i defo reached that point now. Watford win will just prolong this agony and ruin our season (and maybe the next also).
Defeat vs Watford will be the end of this farce
Defeat vs Watford will be the end of this farce
Absolutely. I don't follow this club because of glory. It's in my blood and family's blood. I'm from the area and would still go to watch the boys in league 2.
How many on this forum would be Utd fans if we were in the second division around the times we were all kids? I'm betting less than half easily.
Obviously going to see winning football is better. You'd be a fool to say otherwise. But If you offered me another 3 trophyless years but it would weed out most of the cry babies I don't think it would be such a bad deal tbh.
So sick of the entitlement brigade. We've only really had two to three truly successful managers in our entire history. We've had a few others who have done okay. That's football.
So, you want us to keep losing and playing rubbish? Is that not exactly what the fans you are confronting on here are doing? Hypocritical.
Don't want us to lose just don't care anymore. This club doesn't deserve any attention or anger at this point
So you want your beloved club trophyless or even relegated so your time online contains fewer non-pure fans?
Have you considered medical help?
And by the way, I'm a mancunian whose first game was in 1978 so don't pull any melodramatic top red purity trump cards on me thanks very much. We all support in our way and have our own emotional relationship with the club. I do hope that's OK with you.
In the Moyes days, those last couple of comfortable defeats almost felt like a relief, as it felt like Moyes was just a bump in the road before getting back to the usual service.
Now, I have zero faith in the board picking the right manager to get us back competing again.
Now, I have zero faith in the board picking the right manager to get us back competing again.
In that case no club should ever sack their manager, or replace poor players, because that'd make them entitled for wanting to improve and win trophies. Everyone should just sit back and suck it up because then we'd all be perfect supporters like yourself.
How miserable must you be if you get to the point where you want your team to lose?
If its not good for your mental health take a break from it.
If its not good for your mental health take a break from it.
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The way I see it we are in a lose/lose situation because of the owners. The longer Ole stays, the worse off the club are. So if a win against Watford buys him two more shoddy performances and results as it did against Spurs, then obviously that is bad for the club. Why some people pretend not to see the logic in that I don't know. There's nothing honourable about ignorance.
On the other hand losing is obviously shit too, takes us further away from top 4, keeps us a laughing stock and there are no guarantees even then that the club will act. Who knows how long the board are willing to bury their heads in the sand?
I've loved the comebacks and the Ronaldo goals in the CL, we simply need to be in the knockout stages this year to keep our season alive (potentially with a new manager). Will the feeling be more conflicted against Watford? Of course, because there will always be the nagging feeling that winning might actually be doing more damage to the club and to the season overall.
It's an unfair situation for fans to be put in and all anger should be levelled at those who put us here, not at each other. Everyone here wants what is best for the club (apart from the occasional "I hope we get relegated to weed out the glory hunters" crowd), people just have different ideas what that looks like in the long term.
On the other hand losing is obviously shit too, takes us further away from top 4, keeps us a laughing stock and there are no guarantees even then that the club will act. Who knows how long the board are willing to bury their heads in the sand?
I've loved the comebacks and the Ronaldo goals in the CL, we simply need to be in the knockout stages this year to keep our season alive (potentially with a new manager). Will the feeling be more conflicted against Watford? Of course, because there will always be the nagging feeling that winning might actually be doing more damage to the club and to the season overall.
It's an unfair situation for fans to be put in and all anger should be levelled at those who put us here, not at each other. Everyone here wants what is best for the club (apart from the occasional "I hope we get relegated to weed out the glory hunters" crowd), people just have different ideas what that looks like in the long term.
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I don’t get how any United fan would want us to lose? If you’ve got to that point then maybe take a break from football for a few weeks as it does wonders (I have done in the past post SAF)!
United will win when they can. If Ole loses his dressing room, the players obviously won't play so hard. You just need about 5 players who won't play as hard and the team won't do well.
But then again, it is Watford (sitting on position 17th) we are talking about so United can and should win easily.
But then again, it is Watford (sitting on position 17th) we are talking about so United can and should win easily.
In a few years time I'll look back and still think he's been easily the worst manager ive ever seen manage a top team.
And we lost that final because of him. I love Ole the player he's an abysmal manager though. And I think Jose had loads of 4-0's didn't he.
I don’t think anyone in their right mind that actually goes to the games wakes up and goes I hope we lose today.
No. Only if a loss gets rid of a terrible manager.
Yes, honestly if we do not beat Watford(sitting in 17th) he should be sacked as soon as the full time whistle is blown.
He should have already been sacked. What is this if he doesn't win the next game nonsense all the time. 4 points from 18. Jesus christ lad where are your standards
At this point you’re just a parody of yourself.Anyway congratulations to you and your family for being from Manchester. Can only imagine the years of hard work and dedication it took.
I saw a tweet mentioning the fact Joel Glazer hasn't pulled the trigger because we're still in the champions league and are close to top 4.
Wanting us to lose has never crossed my mind before, and I can understand the thought process, and my question for those of you who are wanting us to lose to get rid of Ole (I'm probably not that far off) - would you go one step further and want us not to be in the fight for top four, aka languish in mid table for a few years so the cash cow that is United, becomes unprofitable for the Glazers so they have no choice but to sell up at a massively reduced price?
That would be the only way, logically speaking that the United we all knew and loved has any hope of becoming back.
Wanting us to lose has never crossed my mind before, and I can understand the thought process, and my question for those of you who are wanting us to lose to get rid of Ole (I'm probably not that far off) - would you go one step further and want us not to be in the fight for top four, aka languish in mid table for a few years so the cash cow that is United, becomes unprofitable for the Glazers so they have no choice but to sell up at a massively reduced price?
That would be the only way, logically speaking that the United we all knew and loved has any hope of becoming back.
I would happily take a few years of us in the wilderness if it coerces the parasites to sell up and feck off. It would be the best thing to happen to us in the long run.
I don't know why anyone thinks losing to Watford will tip the balance? So what, win that game and everything is fine, and thoughts of sacking are put to the side?
Or perhaps a carryover to the next set of 3 games?
Makes no sense to me.
Or perhaps a carryover to the next set of 3 games?
Makes no sense to me.
I'm wondering if those who don't want to lose is solely down to Ole being the manager - I love Ole (the player) as much as the next United fan, can't help but feel its clouding people's judgement.
If the question was wanting to lose to get rid of the Glazers, I'm sure most wouldn't have to worry about the blind loyalty for Ole.
I should probably add - just because I'd take a few seasons of us being shite for a chance at the Glazers fecking off, doesn't mean I'll be actively hoping we lose every game just to make that a reality
As for Ole receiving special treatment from the fans - tbh the matchgoing fans for right or wrong always tend to back the manager. They were still singing Van Gaal's and Mourinho's name late into their respective tenures too.
If we lose every game for a few years we'd be worth a couple of mil in league 1I should probably add - just because I'd take a few seasons of us being shite for a chance at the Glazers fecking off, doesn't mean I'll be actively hoping we lose every game just to make that a reality
As for Ole receiving special treatment from the fans - tbh the matchgoing fans for right or wrong always tend to back the manager. They were still singing Van Gaal's and Mourinho's name late into their respective tenures too.
I know what you meant, was just asking out of curiosity, thanks for answering honestly!
I know why they do it, and it made sense for serious players and managers (I remember Nani being booed and was extremely shocked) but it comes a point where we're clapping and cheering on players and staff that assume they're level is being accepted.
Not booing the players under SAF I understand, as they knew themselves when they hadn't performed to the required standards set by Sir Alex, and I'm sure the players appreciated the fans in the ground showing genuine support through the tough periods, and I'm sure a few ex players came out saying as much - but when the current players are nowhere near the standard, clapping and cheering them won't really do any good.
Unless the parasites somehow become bankrupt (I mean literally not simply morally, as we all know they have already achieved the latter) and are forced to sell at a realistic price not the over inflated nonsense figures they keep rolling out, then we are stuck with them ad infinitum, because there is no one out there with either the desire or money needed to buy them out. Face it, we are stuck with them so we may as well go for short term goals.
Make life very uncomfortable for them, their sycophantic board and that perennial useless leach Woodward. Do what we can to make sure they know our feelings towards a manager and coaching staff that might struggle in the Northern Premier League and force the change that is necessary. At least with a proper manager in place we might have a chance of holding onto a squad that currently flatters to deceive due to non existent tactics and coaching, a manager that can unlock the real potential of this squad, which the current manager/coaching staff have proved entirely incapable of doing.
Make life very uncomfortable for them, their sycophantic board and that perennial useless leach Woodward. Do what we can to make sure they know our feelings towards a manager and coaching staff that might struggle in the Northern Premier League and force the change that is necessary. At least with a proper manager in place we might have a chance of holding onto a squad that currently flatters to deceive due to non existent tactics and coaching, a manager that can unlock the real potential of this squad, which the current manager/coaching staff have proved entirely incapable of doing.
A loss to a 17th place relegation fodder team would surely tip the balance. It would be a clear confirmation that the manager has lost the dressing room. Wonder why anyone would think otherwise.
So, in other words, you'd be ok with United losing for the perceived greater good?
We've been in the wilderness for 8 seasons and counting.
Logic smackdown.
Why would it? What's worse: being utterly humiliated by your two biggest rivals, or losing a game of football to a lowly ranked PL team?
Why should losing to Watford swing any perceived balance over the edge?
Ha!
That may be the most top red post of all time. It should be enshrined.
Most sensible post in this thread.
Don't read the posts above yours.
Is this the new thing now? People can't defend the manager anymore for obvious reasons and instead resort to Ad Hominem as a discussion techinque?
You know very well Ole deserves to leave because of the recent results/quality of football. To each his own but Instead of attacking the fan-base just say it like it is, that you want Ole to stay no matter where we end up. Don't pull up BS like you're the better fan because you like Ole and want him to stay. I would have wanted nothing else than Ole to succeed here, it would have been the most romantic shit in decades of football, but he clearly isn't ready for top football (yet).
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