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Without anything to back that up, that's just assumption and generalising. What some posters are being accused of with their comments about why Rittenhouse was there.

There's always a variety of views but I think most people critical of Rittenhouse are critical because (based on not a lot of information granted), he comes across as a scummy tw@t who wants to be Billy Big Bollocks... be interesting to see how he acts in coming days, weeks, months...

... if he gets the chance to.
If I'm Rittenhouse I'd be laying low for a looooooooong while.
 

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Fecking mental he killed 3 people and got off scot free, not in any world is that okay, if that’s a black guy he’s dead before he gets in a cop car…
 

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You are oversimplifying heavily. Reality and the law is about many details and complex reality.
I've already said I'm not a lawyer, of course I'm oversimplifying. I just watched him and his buddies preparing for a fight, getting one and then claiming self defence. It sounds absurd.
 

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Admittedly don't know a great deal about this case. Hard to find a view online which isn't extremely polarised one way or the other. Could anyone explain why the charge of illegally owning a firearm was dropped?
 

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Can’t help but feel like this becomes the benchmark for when these sorts want to live out their cosplay soldier fantasies. Go somewhere armed and provoke people, then kill and claim self defense. What a disgusting set of laws to govern a country with.
 

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Admittedly don't know a great deal about this case. Hard to find a view online which isn't extremely polarised one way or the other. Could anyone explain why the charge of illegally owning a firearm was dropped?
The defense attorney just addressed that and he said that they went through that law piece by piece and it did not apply to his client.
 

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Is this particularly due to Wisconsin laws or is it for the whole country. For example if he had done this in California would he still be able to claim self defense.
 
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Dont think its a stretch at all. I think its pretty hard to interpret in any other way. Cant be 100% certain obviously, maybe he's just braindead stupid and didn't expect the reaction he got, but it was a pretty predictable reaction.
If the reaction was predictable how come the dozens and dozens of other open carry gimps there that night didn’t end up in the exact same situation?
 

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I'm not a lawyer. If the law allows for that to happen, it's just absurd. You go into a place with a gun to stir shit up, when someone responds then you're just defending yourself? OK then...
Exactly. This ruling says that at the next "Unite the Right" rally, I can go down there with an AR-15 and maybe a banner that reads "Proud Boys Suck Balls". Then I can just stand around aiming my AR-15 at Proud Boys until one of them confronts me in an aggressive manner. At that point, I can let the bullets fly.

This ruling is outrageous.
 

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Exactly. This ruling says that at the next "Unite the Right" rally, I can go down there with an AR-15 and maybe a banner that reads "Proud Boys Suck Balls". Then I can just stand around aiming my AR-15 at Proud Boys until one of them confronts me in an aggressive manner. At that point, I can let the bullets fly.

This ruling is outrageous.
Unhinged
 

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If the reaction was predictable how come the dozens and dozens of other open carry gimps there that night didn’t end up in the exact same situation?
A mixture of dumb luck and restraint. He was acting pretty suspiciously beyond wandering around with a rifle.
 

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Exactly. This ruling says that at the next "Unite the Right" rally, I can go down there with an AR-15 and maybe a banner that reads "Proud Boys Suck Balls". Then I can just stand around aiming my AR-15 at Proud Boys until one of them confronts me in an aggressive manner. At that point, I can let the bullets fly.

This ruling is outrageous.
Kinda hoping something like that happens tbh. A mob of mostly minorities exercising their right to protest and to bear arms near the Mccloskey's. Would love to see their reactions. Something tells me they won't be looking so confident.
 

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Probably has been posted but a good video showing what happened that night. One thing for sure is that the police are scumbags. If anyone has any doubts about the shooters motives he's seen making white supremecist hand singles.
 

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Trouble is, most people have a difficult time leaving out their cultural and political views when analyzing a situation like this. Instead of looking just at the legal issues, most privilege their preferred moral outcome over the facts.
Don't think anyone has trouble with that in this thread.

This is a public forum. We can and should look at evidence beyond what a single biased judge decides to allow in his private domain. We can and should look at the totality of evidence and look at things like Rittenhouse being taped saying if he had his AR-15, he'd shoot some alleged shoplifters or that he punched a female in the back. We can recognize that he violated curfew and he clearly should have been guilty of carrying illegally. Yes those were dismissed out of technicality and a single judges biased Interpretation. It clearly wasn't the intent of the exception to make it legal for 16-17 year olds to walk around after a curfew in an emotional heated situation with AR-15s but not nunchucks.

We can also all form different opinions on what qualifies as provocation different than that specific jury because that is a subjective element. It's very possible a different jury could look at the same evidence and not conclude he should have got off on everything.

I'm happy I live a state with different laws where Rittenhouse would not have walked.
In California it's illegal to brandish a firearm so Rittenhose could have been arrested before he ever ran after the first group. In New York, there is a general reckless endangerment law that Rittenhouse also could easily have been guilty of and jailed appropriately.

So no, it has nothing to do with people unable to step outside their political views. We can and should discuss all elements of the case not only the elements a single biased judge declares in his little kingdom.
 

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Admittedly don't know a great deal about this case. Hard to find a view online which isn't extremely polarised one way or the other. Could anyone explain why the charge of illegally owning a firearm was dropped?
Even if he were charged for illegally owning a fire arm, in WI its a class A misdemeanor. Even if that were put to the jury and the convicted him it would be basically a 300 dollar fine . Its not as huge as most would think.

edit: Wisconsin statute 948.60 if you want to look it up.

Zero prison time. its completely insignificant (in Wisconsin)
 

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A mixture of dumb luck and restraint. He was acting pretty suspiciously beyond wandering around with a rifle.
Surely it’s much more likely that this is the result of a chain of unpredictable events?

America is fecked. There’s been hordes of morons open carrying big guns at flashpoints over the last few years. Thankfully this is a relatively rare event but it seems unlikely that what happened happened because he had uniquely ill intent.

Much more likely a perfect storm of shitty coincidences that caused a bad outcome. Stumbling across mentally ill, aggressive dude at the wrong moment, passerbys who did the opposite of what most people would do, running towards gunfire etc etc

He’s definitely guilty of being a trouble-making twat. He also never should have been let near that gun. What I’m struggling with is the idea he went out that night intent on shooting someone. That seems very unlikely to me.
 

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If people have actually watched the video n testimony evidence presented during the trial, this should not be a surprise at all. Don't know the exact US laws but prosecution should have tried him for different charges.
 

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Surely it’s much more likely that this is the result of a chain of unpredictable events?

America is fecked. There’s been hordes of morons open carrying big guns at flashpoints over the last few years. Thankfully this is a relatively rare event but it seems unlikely that what happened happened because he had uniquely ill intent.

Much more likely a perfect storm of shitty coincidences that caused a bad outcome. Stumbling across mentally ill, aggressive dude at the wrong moment, passerbys who did the opposite of what most people would do, running towards gunfire etc etc

He’s definitely guilty of being a trouble-making twat. He also never should have been let near that gun. What I’m struggling with is the idea he went out that night intent on shooting someone. That seems very unlikely to me.
Intending to, probably not. Willing to is something one could argue, though.