Poch out
If we don’t hire the manager you want…
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Many of us on here have supported the manager until it became apparent he wasn't up to it, and that's from Moyes to Ole. In between all that I've been a cult member, part of a sect, part of a team that puts the manager before the club, an 'inner', a supporter of lowering standards and an apologist. It would be nice for once to just want the team to win without people desperate to create division but it will happen again because none of the manager's we're linked to have Fergie's CV, and even if they did there would be a collection of people claiming he was 'past it'.
I will be disappointed if isn't ten Hag but like most will be willing to give the new manager a chance.
I dont think anyone is regarding ten Hag as a 'sure thing' , or maybe I missed those posts. But rather he's the most exciting choice from Rodgers/Poch due to his philosophy which is a style which is not easy to implement but if implemented successfully could prove to be devastating for the football purist like myself with emphasis on zone control/positional play, via ball possession in a high line and a interchangability between the front 4 which has the potential to reek havoc for the opposition.
I read on here that whe would win us a dozen trophies.
Well... I didn't like the idea of Jose but many loved it....
I liked the idea of Ole at the start but many wrote him off immediately...
Right now, I like the idea of Mancini or Zidane but neither are interested so I don't give a feck really
Just get the results, whoever it is.
I liked the idea of Ole at the start but many wrote him off immediately...
Right now, I like the idea of Mancini or Zidane but neither are interested so I don't give a feck really
Just get the results, whoever it is.I wanted Conte but now Pochettino and i don't really want Ten Hag mainly as i don't know much about him he is too much of an unknown at this level.
Plus i get the feeling a lot of people wanting him on here know as much about him as i do ie not a lot and are getting caught up in the flavour of the month hype.
However i will support whoever gets the job and sincerely hope they succeed espe ially as i am now convinced it won't be Southgate
Plus i get the feeling a lot of people wanting him on here know as much about him as i do ie not a lot and are getting caught up in the flavour of the month hype.
However i will support whoever gets the job and sincerely hope they succeed espe ially as i am now convinced it won't be Southgate
I will be happy with Poch and delighted with Ten Hag. I'll give either a fair shot.
But if we got Rodgers, to be honest I'd be wanting us to lose every game to get rid of him as quickly as possible. Would be a horrific appointment.
But if we got Rodgers, to be honest I'd be wanting us to lose every game to get rid of him as quickly as possible. Would be a horrific appointment.
For me it's not that I won't be happy to support the new manager, just all my new manager optimism has been evaporated over the last 8/9 years and I just don't feel we've got it in us to compete. Especially when, no matter who we appoint, they won't be as good as Klopp or Guardiola who happen to be our nearest and dearest rivals' managers. Conte, to me, felt like the right manager at the right time, with him at the helm this season felt salvageable. But we screwed the pooch on that one, for whatever reason.
I like the idea of Ten Hag because it feels like he'll be the next manager to make a big impact on European football, he has that Klopp at Dortmund vibe about him. I wouldn't mind Pochettino but his last few years have dulled his allure somewhat, and it looks as if he's perhaps hit a ceiling more in the mould of an Emery/Loputegi, very good managers who may not have it in them to win the highest calibre trophies like the PL or CL. Although, even those two have won the EL. But it's not like it's Ten Hag or bust for me, I'd have been very happy with any of Ten Hag, Enrique, Conte or Zidane. I'd be a lot less happy with happy Pochettino.
I'll openly admit Rodgers is the exception to this and I just cannot see myself getting behind him. He just doesn't feel like a United manager at all, even ignoring the Liverpool connection, I just don't think he's any good.
I like the idea of Ten Hag because it feels like he'll be the next manager to make a big impact on European football, he has that Klopp at Dortmund vibe about him. I wouldn't mind Pochettino but his last few years have dulled his allure somewhat, and it looks as if he's perhaps hit a ceiling more in the mould of an Emery/Loputegi, very good managers who may not have it in them to win the highest calibre trophies like the PL or CL. Although, even those two have won the EL. But it's not like it's Ten Hag or bust for me, I'd have been very happy with any of Ten Hag, Enrique, Conte or Zidane. I'd be a lot less happy with happy Pochettino.
I'll openly admit Rodgers is the exception to this and I just cannot see myself getting behind him. He just doesn't feel like a United manager at all, even ignoring the Liverpool connection, I just don't think he's any good.
I agree with almost all of this , I have to admit my blindspot for having an open mind being Rodgers.
No, I will support Brandon Rodgers.
There is however a limit. If it's Carrick or someone else equally unqualified I will be out from the start.
Poch, ETH, Zidane, Rodgers etc I will get behind as long as they have some sort of qualifications. Worst case they feck off with a cup 2 years in just like the last 2 qualified managers have.
There is however a limit. If it's Carrick or someone else equally unqualified I will be out from the start.
Poch, ETH, Zidane, Rodgers etc I will get behind as long as they have some sort of qualifications. Worst case they feck off with a cup 2 years in just like the last 2 qualified managers have.
Also it's a bit nuts people have just one choice and everyone else is a nailed on disaster.
Like surely there's 10 people you think could do the job?
Like surely there's 10 people you think could do the job?
All of the most discussed appointments have question marks around them. Poch and Rodgers have failed to take the big step and then imploded in following seasons. Ten Hag seems exciting, but the pressure of the United job, where every dropped point is written about as if the sky is falling, might be too much for him. It's a gamble and a gamble I want the club to take.
At the end of the day, I'll have no problem supporting whoever gets the job as there is no surefire thing in football. As long as the team tries to play football and win matches I'll be happy. If it's Rodgers it'll be tough, but I'll get over it.
At the end of the day, I'll have no problem supporting whoever gets the job as there is no surefire thing in football. As long as the team tries to play football and win matches I'll be happy. If it's Rodgers it'll be tough, but I'll get over it.
What about Brendon Rodgers?
Nope. While ETH is my first choice, I really like Poch and wanted him after Jose was fired and he will have my full support from day one.
I’m not arsed, unless it’s Rodgers, and then I’ll have the patience of a toddler. At least I’m admitting to it now.
Depends on where we set the bar.
Its not that hard to win a minor cup at United. Mourinho did and he's washed up. I'm fairly certain Koeman could as well.
Are there really 10 available managers that can win the league or the CL? I think that's a stretch.
I will really struggle with Rodgers, despite knowing he’s 100% better than Ole was.
Anyone else I’ll get behind. Enrique top choice but feel that’s a pipedream, would be more than happy with Poch or ETH.
Anyone else I’ll get behind. Enrique top choice but feel that’s a pipedream, would be more than happy with Poch or ETH.
If that is the case then I would hope people would temper their expectations a little, and take things step by step, because it's not an easy play style to teach a group of players who haven't played in such way collectively.
I'm a big believer in ten Hag, but I'm also fearful that if he doesn't get his ideas across quickly there could be trouble. On the other hand the likes of Poch and Rodgers will revert to deep/mid blocks and will end up staying several years before getting the chop. That's my fear and I'd rather see us make the brave choice and think outside of the box for once.
I don't know if it is, there's a couple who could but just aren't options, then I feel that quite a lot of the names touted have the potential. There is always a risk of a bad fit and that has a lot of variables in it. With our club if the structure is as bad as it seems maybe nobody can succeed. But on coaching ability there 's a good few I think.
The next manager should definitely get support and patience but I can understand why some people might not be enthusiastic about some of the names. For instance, I would support Rodgers but I would find it difficult to have any belief he was the right man for the job despite the fact that he's obviously a very good manager (United should strive for more than good though, especially up against the likes of Pep, Klopp, Tuchel etc.). Would be happy to give Poch or ETH a go. Given our last three managers lasted 2-3 years I think that's a fairly decent time period to assess the managers impact whoever he is.
...on a slightly negative front my expectations are tempered by the fact that whoever is manager will still have to deal with a club set up that doesn't fill me with confidence
We live in hope though.
...on a slightly negative front my expectations are tempered by the fact that whoever is manager will still have to deal with a club set up that doesn't fill me with confidence
We live in hope though.Would happily support Poch, Ten Hag…
Brendan Rodgers is the nightmare scenario.
Brendan Rodgers is the nightmare scenario.
I get the impression that zidane doesn't actually want a challenge, and would rather take it easy with psg when that job inevitably becomes available. Ten hag doesn't want the job. Don't know about ranganick. Poch's family is still in london so, on the basis that he wants to be much closer to home, i'd say he is our next manager.
as long as no Brendan rogers and ex united players turned manager I will support whoever.
I dont have "a guy". I just know what isnt working when I see it. So whoever it is gets my support until it becomes clear hes taken us as far as he can. And then its on to the next guy, or maybe even gal to take us forward.
I think what we all have to get over is this idea that there is "a guy" out there thats going to stay with us for a quarter of a century. Football has changed. And SAF was a one of kind. No one hangs around in one place too long anymore. Its just the way it is. And thats ok. We really, really, really need to get this idea out of our heads that theres more than one Alex Ferguson.
I think what we all have to get over is this idea that there is "a guy" out there thats going to stay with us for a quarter of a century. Football has changed. And SAF was a one of kind. No one hangs around in one place too long anymore. Its just the way it is. And thats ok. We really, really, really need to get this idea out of our heads that theres more than one Alex Ferguson.
I am fine with whoever we hire... at least for a couple of years depending on how they do of course.
But, I get the vibe from a lot of people that they think some so called modern managers play expansive and attacking football all the time. That is probably not the case with almost all of those managers.
So, I can see a toxic atmosphere will come back quickly once we had a few shit performances/results in a row and a lot of people will ask for the manager's head if the guy is not their choice. It will be pretty exhausting.
But, I get the vibe from a lot of people that they think some so called modern managers play expansive and attacking football all the time. That is probably not the case with almost all of those managers.
So, I can see a toxic atmosphere will come back quickly once we had a few shit performances/results in a row and a lot of people will ask for the manager's head if the guy is not their choice. It will be pretty exhausting.
I was Moyes out and Ole out from pretty much day one because I knew they were totally unqualified and the wrong men for the job, but I backed Van Gaal and Mourinho for a long time until things seriously went south for them both.
I will support whoever gets the job, until (if) the situation becomes horrific like it has the last few months. Honestly going man up and say I felt embarrased by a post I made about Ole and the board after Watford, but I got emotional.
I think all the options being touted are good options except for Brenda, who would be a massive failure here IMO. Ragnick too as an interim seems fine but full time would be a disaster.
Poch I’m completely on board with, same with Ten Hag. Zidane doesn’t want to come here by the looks of it but I wouldn’t be opposed to him either.
It will end up being Poch though, seems pretty nailed on. Just a matter of when not if. He’s young, PL proven, hungry. Think he will end up being a perfect fit tbh.
I think all the options being touted are good options except for Brenda, who would be a massive failure here IMO. Ragnick too as an interim seems fine but full time would be a disaster.
Poch I’m completely on board with, same with Ten Hag. Zidane doesn’t want to come here by the looks of it but I wouldn’t be opposed to him either.
It will end up being Poch though, seems pretty nailed on. Just a matter of when not if. He’s young, PL proven, hungry. Think he will end up being a perfect fit tbh.
Entertaining football would be top of my personal wishlist. Obviously, "entertainment" is entirely subjective, but for me it means United imposing themselves on games and being brave enough to take the ball, rather than cowering from the opposition and hoping to nick something on the break (our primary big-game strategy since 2016).
I don't really expect United to win major honours under the current ownership model (at least not while Pep and Klopp are around, anyway), so we may as well enjoy our mediocre ride with some exciting, attacking football.
Ten Hag is most likely to deliver that, but many of the other candidates would give it a decent shot too, so I'm fairly open minded about who the club brings in. I'd prefer it wasn't Rodgers, but that's largely because of his personality, rather than his football.
I don't really expect United to win major honours under the current ownership model (at least not while Pep and Klopp are around, anyway), so we may as well enjoy our mediocre ride with some exciting, attacking football.
Ten Hag is most likely to deliver that, but many of the other candidates would give it a decent shot too, so I'm fairly open minded about who the club brings in. I'd prefer it wasn't Rodgers, but that's largely because of his personality, rather than his football.
Same as this. Will support team if he comes but I'd hate him.
I'm quite optimistic about most of the purported options. Rodgers slightly less so, but even he has his selling points.
Of course, they're not Pep, Klopp, Tuchel, and the Conte ship has sailed. We're not getting one of the undoubted powerhouses because there isn't one left and that makes it tough, but not impossible.
But I think we're getting someone that's a bit different to what we've tried to date. We've had the never really been at the level (Moyes), the potentially outdated (Jose, LvG), the slightly optimistic and sentimental (Ole), it feels like this time we're getting somebody prime and forward thinking. Hopefully.
Of course, they're not Pep, Klopp, Tuchel, and the Conte ship has sailed. We're not getting one of the undoubted powerhouses because there isn't one left and that makes it tough, but not impossible.
But I think we're getting someone that's a bit different to what we've tried to date. We've had the never really been at the level (Moyes), the potentially outdated (Jose, LvG), the slightly optimistic and sentimental (Ole), it feels like this time we're getting somebody prime and forward thinking. Hopefully.
100% agreed in every word. Except the Conte bit that now doesn't matter anyway.
Well, here's the hope. Last Summer window was superb, imho. It was the best one down to Fergie's last few seasons.
So maybe the board does have good understanding about good football now. They could be more decisive, but it doesn't matter as long as they get the right one.
Definitely not. There are many managers who can do a very good job for us, and will get all the support from most of the fans, at least at the beginning. Beyond that, it's up to them to convince people of their quality.
On Pochettino, I rated his work at Spurs (first few years) very highly but A) he didn't win anything and made some strange signings towards the end B) failed to win the league with PSG and
most importantly C) he doesn't come across as one of those top class 'coach' coaches who will have transformative impact on the teams on the ball quality. He's much less expansive/exciting and much more functional/pragmatic than people think. Whereas I really feel Manchester United need a tactical revolution of sorts to take us from the 90/00s to this modern era.
However I could he wrong on that point and he's has his hands tied in some ways at Spurs and then psg. Plus like I said he was fantastic for Spurs so could do really well for us with a bigger platform
Pep is going to his 6 years with City, and Klopp for 7 years and no sign of quitting. And both are highly on demand.
Depends who it is
I don’t think I could get behind Rodgers as I just don’t like the guy
Poch on the other hand isn’t my first choice but I’d definitely be supportive, same goes for a few others
I don’t think I could get behind Rodgers as I just don’t like the guy
Poch on the other hand isn’t my first choice but I’d definitely be supportive, same goes for a few others
Steve Cooper is doing a good turnaround job at Forest. Arguably, Utd have a better squad.
I'll get behind any manager and give him a full season to implement his style.
(except if he is Southgate, in which case I'll know United have totally lost the plot).
But that's it, one season. No more of these 3 year rebuilds.
(except if he is Southgate, in which case I'll know United have totally lost the plot).
But that's it, one season. No more of these 3 year rebuilds.
Would obviously get behind any manager appointed. Preference would be ETH>Rodgers/Poch>Zidane.
I like to stay fairly neutral and don't have an emotional attachment.
I got 'behind' and rode the highs and lows with Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and Ole but ultimately I knew they weren't right for us or good enough. Generally I will call it as I see it and unfortunately, that has meant basically criticising all of them quite consistently in the last 8 years; in my defence, it's usually with reason and not in a moaning way (or at least that's how I like to think).
As long as I can see an indentity and progressive style that is trying to get results by maximising the talents of the squad then I'll can give some leeway. That's not really happened with any of the managers I feel. It's one thing to enjoy a win but you can't really put your hand on heart and analyse performances like 'yes we are definitely in the right direction'. None of the managers post Fergie have had a solid playing style implemented so it's hard to root for this reactive scatter gun approach (yes that even includes LVG, who went from expansive to super passive) and in my own way, I'm just managing my own expectations.
I got 'behind' and rode the highs and lows with Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and Ole but ultimately I knew they weren't right for us or good enough. Generally I will call it as I see it and unfortunately, that has meant basically criticising all of them quite consistently in the last 8 years; in my defence, it's usually with reason and not in a moaning way (or at least that's how I like to think).
As long as I can see an indentity and progressive style that is trying to get results by maximising the talents of the squad then I'll can give some leeway. That's not really happened with any of the managers I feel. It's one thing to enjoy a win but you can't really put your hand on heart and analyse performances like 'yes we are definitely in the right direction'. None of the managers post Fergie have had a solid playing style implemented so it's hard to root for this reactive scatter gun approach (yes that even includes LVG, who went from expansive to super passive) and in my own way, I'm just managing my own expectations.
I don't monitor his utterances but last time we played them he dedicated the press conference to lay out what we did wrong and how he took advantage of it.
While he was right, it was the same old unnecessary egocentric twattery. I'd prefer a manager who shuts up and looks forward to do the same all over again next time around.
Sooner or later, vanity catches up with you. Would avoid him like the plague.