Milan aren't a well run club and it shows. As you say they abandoned a plan that elaborated for months based on a good run of games.
Ralf Rangnick
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Who is running Milan in the post-Berlusconi era?
Currently I think that it's Gazidis and Maldini.
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During a talk show on sunday the chief sports reporter of Leipzig's local paper claimed that, after supposedly calling up the man directly to talk about the Schalke post, he believes Rangnick's next job will be in the PL, that he's waiting for things to go wrong at either United or Arsenal.
During a talk show on sunday the chief sports reporter of Leipzig's local paper claimed that, after supposedly calling up the man directly to talk about the Schalke post, he believes Rangnick's next job will be in the PL, that he's waiting for things to go wrong at either United or Arsenal.
Interesting. Could be a great appointment. Isn't far behind Nagelsmann or Tuchel for me, if at all. But if he really joins a top club, conflicts are predestined
If we ignore the innovative spirit that set him apart 20 years ago, but not anymore today, I think Rangnick is overrated as a coach. I mean what has he really done as a coach since he left Schalke almost 15 years ago:Interesting. Could be a great appointment. Isn't far behind Nagelsmann or Tuchel for me, if at all. But if he really joins a top club, conflicts are predestined
Finished 2nd with Hoffenheim's insane budget in the 3rd and 2nd division, had one great half season in Bundesliga when Hoffenheim were the new kids on the block before they dropped like a stone and settled into midtable, another 13 games for Schalke before quitting with burnout, another 2nd place with Leipzig after spending about as much as the entire rest of the competition combined and a 66 point third place, about what you'd expect from Leipzig's squad, especially if you sod off the EL and go out in group stages.
It's one thing if you tell him to run your club and let him coach for a season to set up a foundation, but I don't really see why he would be named in the same sentence as Nagelsmann and Tuchel, who shaped truly special sides with their coaching.
Nagelsmann hasnt really done any better with Leipzig, did he?If we ignore the innovative spirit that set him apart 20 years ago, but not anymore today, I think Rangnick is overrated as a coach. I mean what has he really done as a coach since he left Schalke almost 15 years ago:
Finished 2nd with Hoffenheim's insane budget in the 3rd and 2nd division, had one great half season in Bundesliga when Hoffenheim were the new kids on the block before they dropped like a stone and settled into midtable, another 13 games for Schalke before quitting with burnout, another 2nd place with Leipzig after spending about as much as the entire rest of the competition combined and a 66 point third place, about what you'd expect from Leipzig's squad, especially if you sod off the EL and go out in group stages.
It's one thing if you tell him to run your club and let him coach for a season to set up a foundation, but I don't really see why he would be named in the same sentence as Nagelsmann and Tuchel, who shaped truly special sides with their coaching.
But I agree with your assessment. He's still very good I'd say but no longer the most innovative coach around I'd say, but I think he'd be perfect at a big club with outdated structures and management/coaching approaches. If he gets the necessary power and backing, that is - not necessarily regarding finances alone but authority.
Why hire a manager who already is 62 years old ? That is hardly planning ahead.
Think he is a brilliant man to run a football club and his methods are still sound in the modern football world.
Schalke could be a brilliant club for him and he could be a brilliant man for the club today.
Schalke could be a brilliant club for him and he could be a brilliant man for the club today.
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Nice, I'm more up for an interim now with who's being linked.
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Would take him or Valverde as interims, yes I am well aware of the Champions League collapses against Roma & scousers but did win 2 La Ligas
Would he be up for the 6 months or would he want a director role after it too? I’d be all for that happening but our board seemingly does not like relinquishing control in these matters.
I‘d get behind Rangnick as a technical director with ETH as head coach. I don’t think Poch likes having DOFs above him.
I‘d get behind Rangnick as a technical director with ETH as head coach. I don’t think Poch likes having DOFs above him.
Well Murtough is a huge admirer of this guy, however did find it interesting that a German journo tried squashing the interest
This is just internet rhetoric. The board have already appointed a director. His name just isn’t Ralf Ragnick, and he didn’t turn out to be as continental as hoped following years of demanding one.
Is our director picking the next manager? I hope so
Who is Ragnick? Hahahahaha
I don’t know, I doubt it. Is their job to hire managers?
Would be my second choice after Valverde. I’ll have no problem with either of them. Hopefully this board will sleepwalk into something good. In the law of averages — we’re due a ‘stab-in-the-dark’
It should be yes. That was the whole point of the club saying it would hire a DOF before hiring the next manager. Then they went and hired Ole.
For instance its Patrici who hired both Espirito Santo and Conte at Spurs
Txiki Begiristain who hired Pep at City etc
But not Michael Edwards who hired Klopp and was Levy who hired Pochettino.
It’s honestly a bit of a gripe of mine all this structure talk because I suspect that almost everyone, from random journalists to online punters have no idea of how to ‘structure’ a multi-billion pound football club, yet everyone seems to have the answers how a club needs to run from the owner down to the U11s. It’s all likely bollocks, quite frankly, and simply comes down to a team needing to win football matches.
He should be your Woodward replacement. You could hire him and let him coach for a year while he is looking for his successor that will fit the style he implements.
I’m sure the City fans will be calling him that if he were to join us
I'm all for Ragnorak.
Spot on, when a term wins journalists come up with how good structure is, which is nothing but hiring good manager.
Yeah, this. Yes we are a mess at the top, that's evident by constant failure despite all the expenditure. But the main reason for that failure is constant poor managerial appointments/not replacing them at the right time. A director of football isn't some magic answer, it's just some other person who takes on a big responsibility that can feck up in the same way.
Hire the right manager who can coach them properly, combined with being one of the biggest spending clubs in world football, and we would be competing at the top despite whatever the board owners do or don't do. It's that simple IMO. Hire an amateur manager who is out of his depth in the premier league, and well you get what we saw this season.
We can hire the greatest DoF, he will still report to the board and discuss important events like hiring manger with them.
You and about six-hundred forty-nine million nine-hundred sixty-seven thousand other fans.
We just had one Scandinavian near-disaster come to an end and now you want the real thing.
Precisely.
Indeed. Ferran Soriano is no less of an ‘accountant’ than Ed Woodward, for example. Also, none of these journos nor random interneters have any idea how much Woodward does or doesn’t know about football either.
That's why my answer to this is bring a COO, they are the specialist in building organizational structures. If I was the CEO, I would do next to nothing and just hire smarter people.
It's not a magic answer, but it's too simplistic to suggest it's all about a good enough head coach also. A DoF would be responsible for the long-term vision of the club with regards to recruitment, and succession planning. As it is, there is no succession planning and no long-term vision other than some half-baked idea of a cultural reset which seems more of a slogan than anything of substance.
Suppose we had a top coach, that wouldn't mean we'd spend wisely. Or that the top coach in question could make all our transfer dealings work. We've mismanaged funds to such an extraordinary degree that it's frankly incredible that we haven't already installed people in positions to take charge of the sporting side of the club. A proper DoF would likely veto 80m for Maguire and 50m for AWB if the idea is to play a high line pressing game, playing out from the back. Just look at the turnover of players in the last few years, the money spent, and the still highest wagebill in the league, with absolutely nothing to show for it.
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I'd love Rangnick to come in now as interim on the condition that he becomes the actual DoF at the end of the season vested with the requisite authority.
Are you for real? Look at the last 8 years, the money spent, the contracts dished out, the different managerial directions established. It is beyond doubt reasonable to think he is utterly incompetent.
But a DoF is precisely the guy who hires and fires coaches and is supposed to make sure that successive coaches (somewhat) align philosophically, so the transition between them is as smooth as possible?!
Hopefully they will sign Ralf Rangnick to start playing serious football like Klopp and Flick
Michael Edwards was Liverpools sporting director so not sure what you mean there
When Poch was hired by Levy they didn’t have a DOF/Sporting director.
The point of it is that hiring managers should be in line with intended sporting direction and also the type of players you sign should also fit within that too.
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For what it's worth this was said this morning, I believe he's usually quite reliable when it comes to German news right? I may be mistaken, sorry if so... regardless i'm sad because he'd be my preferred option from our supposed list
I’m pretty sure it was this cnut that brought up Rangnick’s name in the first place. It was after the Liverpool game where he tweeted something like “Rangnick is still interested in the Utd Job”, fecking hack.
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