Pep has beaten him 13 times, and Klopp has a good record against him too. Doesn’t have a good record against big sides. Whether he can get passed that with United is a big question mark for me
Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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I don't think Pochettino is a bad coach, but I'm not convinced he's the manager United needs. He has not won any trophies, reached a CL final with Spurs which was good result but didn't excel and although they managed to play good attacking football, their results weren't that consistent.
3 years ago, when Mourinho was sacked, Pochettino was already available. Had the United Board, the Glazers or Woodward wanted to hire him, guess what? That was the ideal time.
But the interim term of Solksjaer was made permanent after his 12 win run and that comeback vs PSG. Now, 3 years later, we can conclude that decision was a waste of time and now are looking to pay-out for a manager that was recently appointed his seat in one of the richest clubs in the world and will overlook other mangers who have more credentials under their names like Zidane, Ten Haag or even Conte when he had no team. Even Rodgers has won more trophies than Poch and with a similar playing style.
Don't get me wrong. I think Mauricio Pochettino is a humble and great manager, and although I do belive he would be able to consistently place United under top 4, I think he would need like 4-5 years of credit to build a team the way he wants and even so, it wouldn't guarantee that it would have sucess. People like Tuchel or Klopp also took time to develop and went blank for some years but their teams seemed to improve overtime in their whole play. I have not seen that with Poch and my conclussion is that there are better options out there.
3 years ago, when Mourinho was sacked, Pochettino was already available. Had the United Board, the Glazers or Woodward wanted to hire him, guess what? That was the ideal time.
But the interim term of Solksjaer was made permanent after his 12 win run and that comeback vs PSG. Now, 3 years later, we can conclude that decision was a waste of time and now are looking to pay-out for a manager that was recently appointed his seat in one of the richest clubs in the world and will overlook other mangers who have more credentials under their names like Zidane, Ten Haag or even Conte when he had no team. Even Rodgers has won more trophies than Poch and with a similar playing style.
Don't get me wrong. I think Mauricio Pochettino is a humble and great manager, and although I do belive he would be able to consistently place United under top 4, I think he would need like 4-5 years of credit to build a team the way he wants and even so, it wouldn't guarantee that it would have sucess. People like Tuchel or Klopp also took time to develop and went blank for some years but their teams seemed to improve overtime in their whole play. I have not seen that with Poch and my conclussion is that there are better options out there.
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Henry nails it. Poch isn't calling the shots. It's obvious.
It was Glaston.Spurs played entertaining football during his reign, in my opinion. Some people claim he was the manager who introduced modern attacking football in PL; the way the best teams play today. Maybe it was Tottenham supporters
He was on point until he started saying the front 3 aren't a problem. It's obvious they are.
Not sure if he misheard the question because he said they aren’t then used Tuchel having the same issue as a reason why…I think he thought the question was is Pochetino the problem.
Yeah true. But he did say you can't defend with 7 players and expect to win the UCL. In other words it's no use having a high press coach if the players don't press. So he was implicitly saying they were a problem.
That said with Ronaldo we will have a similar problem.
For me, I’d simply rather Ten Hag as I see I higher ceiling. However I think Poch can get a lot more from what we’ve got. I really like how he improved the likes of Alli, Kane, Son and a host of players at Soton.
You also can't set up teams like you've done (to a lessening effect over tie) since 2009 and, indeed, expect it to still work.
The whole Poch high press thing was cracked by PL teams a few years ago, and it's no longer effective. Certainly not entertaining, and PSG are salvaging something through Messi, Neymar, and Mbappe - not in spite of them tbh (even though the form of the front three is very subdued by it all)>
So basically a better version of 2013 Moyes then.
38 points from 48 matches against Pep, Klopp and Mourinho, jesus that is horrendous even if he mostly had a squad of lower quality.
He's got Sean Dyche's number
Interesting record against Wenger. Almost like passing the torch.
He's got Sean Dyche's number
He meant that they don't have to be a problem as long as the manager is allowed to have his way and make them press and defend harder.
Poch tried doing that by dropping and subbing off Messi but got told by the owner never to do that again. That sends a very powerful, undermining message.
Lower? He had prime Kane, Verthogen, Vermaelen, Lloris, Eriksen at his disposal. He sure as hell wasn't managing Aston Villa or Everton.
I think when Jose would've been in the league he might have still been at Southampton.
Nah not that bad. Pogba and de Gea for sure. But Pogba is gone anyway. The rest..hard to say.
Did you really watch that CL Final, or just checking the final score? If not for that idiot Mbappe, PSG would run away with the trophy already.
Forgot about his Soton stint. Still had a pretty good squad though.
The good thing is that our fans and even the board will back the manager to make the team work harder defensively. The players know after Mourinho and Ole that they've got nowhere to hide. Poch in now would be really good for us. If the question marks on his ability and mentality persist we would still have leeway to get someone else in next season.
We'll meet PSG at round of 16, wouldn't we? The storyline is too spicy for UEFA to ignore
Hardly a convincing run either. Lost the first leg to Dortmund and they were trailing 1-0 to Atalanta before they got two injury time goals.
True but I dont get why he says the front 3 aren't a problem. They obviously are. Which is why he would need to hook one of them.
PSG in a knock out tie with an interim manager? Sounds great!
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Mauricio Pochettino has not been able to confirm whether he will sit on the PSG bench in the round of 16. He has replied, laughing, "thank you, bye." If he were 100% convinced, he would have answered with a resounding yes. We'll see if he's still at PSG in February.
I dont think we should hire anyone but Ten Haag, we are competing against the very best managers in the world. I dont think Poch is up there, somehow the feeling of getting a manager that wont reach that heights would feel underwelming from the start.
Ten Haag on the other hand has the potential to over take Pep, Tuchel and Klopp, weather he does it or not is another subject but the potential is deffinitely there.
Ten Haag on the other hand has the potential to over take Pep, Tuchel and Klopp, weather he does it or not is another subject but the potential is deffinitely there.
When we lose it's Ole fault but when PSG lose it's not Cuppuccino's fault.
I guess your hard on for Poch is not hilarious?The hard on for Ten Hag on the Caf is hilarious!
Poch before him for me, I guess I am not hipster enough.
…yes, it is hilarious!
The Poch-cult is hilarious.
What on earth has he ever done to convince you to bend over like this? What style of play has he implemented and how has PSG improved because of him? What makes you so sure he will take us to the next level?
Other than an improved squad after the most ridiculous transfer window in football history, I see zero improvement in their play, rather the opposite…
8% of the Caf wants him here.
It’ll get ugly fast if he comes here and doesn’t hit the ground running.….
Yeah, the one thing I'd say though is part of the reason the squads at Spurs and Southampton were highly rated is because of his work. He wasn't just handed a really good squad at Tottenham and told to have fun, he created a good squad and got the best out of them on a regular basis.
But he sure as hell was managing Espanyol and Southampton for a lot of those games.
It feels weird going from being a bit of a doubter of Poch, to feeling like I have to stick up for him a bit due to the extreme opinions on here about him. He might not be a manager that has an honours list as long as his arm, but some of the opinions about him on here are absurd, especailly considering hes being so unfavourably compared to another talented, yet untested manager.
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Ten Hag is the only guy who can save this club.
I thought it was obvious he was saying "those 3 players aren't the problem, the club structure and those above the coach (for example Leonardo) are the problem". As Poch or Tuchel weren't/aren't allowed to force these players into their system, or drop them, or rotate them, as that will clearly result in the manager being binned.
Actually wasn't Mitchel the DoF credited for the transfers of these bargains for both Soton and Totenham? From I remember Poch's transfer record turned to shit the moment Mitchel left the DoF role at Spurs.
Poch also inherited a really good squad who didn't finish below 6th for the past 5 years by the time of his appointment. He improved on them, but I said before: it's not like he took Brighton or Villa and turned them into consisten Top4 candidates.
I never really blamed Ole either. He had even less control than Poch at PSG.When we lose it's Ole fault but when PSG lose it's not Cuppuccino's fault.
The worry is that Poch's willingness to play bitch to the money guys is exactly why Woodward is so keen. In which case disappointment awaits us.
Yeah but does the manager not get a bit of credit for developing those players? A transfer isn’t successful just because of the scouting, the coach needs to get the best out of his players, too. Not to mention that they spent practically nothing at Tottenham, he made Kane what he is today, and had they spent even a bit more during the squads prime as you put it, a trophy or two may well have come their way. He didn’t take Villa or Brighton to the Champions League, but he did take a Tottenham side to the final of the competition, and they’ve struggled to get near qualifying for it since.
I would prefer Poch over Ten Hag. He has plenty of PL and European experience now and I think he would get on well with Utd's players, fans, board, media, etc. That being said you cannot guarantee success with any manager. Sometimes a manager and a club click and success follows, sometimes not.
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