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A high press isn't the only way to win the ball. Pochettino as a manager has nowhere near enough pedigree to say that his way is the only way to win. He's the one who needs to adapt to the players he's got to win.

If you're Pep Guardiola, who with dozens of trophies and a record of producing entertaining and winning teams - you can say, my football produces the best results and is the way for us to win.
 

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Same as Pep, Klopp and even the caf’s current golden “boy“, ETH. Just the way football has evolved hasn’t it.
True for Klopp probably. It's why he was always set on the Liverpool job after Dortmund - the clubs profile fits in with him.

I don't think that's true for Guardiola though. His footballs first and foremost about being dominant on the ball.
 

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Knew the Poch haters would be out in force after that - May actually be a lazier narrative that Ronaldo being the problem at United. It either takes a severe lack of critical thinking or wilful ignorance to think the issues with PSG lie with Pochettino.

Anyone who knows anything about Poch's previous sides can see that PSG's play style not his design. The most obvious staple of a Pochettino side is that he gets them to press with intensity. They'll run sides off the park. PSG tonight were as far away from that as any side I've seen. Their operation is clearly as much about appeasing the front three as it is about winning games, which makes sense given PSG's raison d'etre is building the brand and getting eyes on the product.

These issues were happening under Tuchel - they had a game at Anfield with similar problems which I specifically remember because Steve McManaman wouldn't shut the hell up about it on commentary. They've since signed the laziest player in football who's off the ball efforts make Neymar look like N'golo Kante and that has taken it to another level. I would bet anything Poch would rather not have Messi, but he can hardly say so both because his employer would sack him and his country may disown him.


*Note the Spurs side he inherited finished 20th in distance per game the season before he arrived and he instantly got them into the top three in that metric the following season.

Pochettino's sides run if nothing else and he knows he's on a hiding to nothing at PSG while he's being sabotaged by these egos and the need to placate them. I would pretty confidently say that PSG are done in this competition and I doubt Zidane or anyone else will be capable of saving them. They should definitely get a manager who's less reliant on a pressing game but I can't see any way they'll not get exposed by the Bayern's, City's and Liverpools.
I don’t really care about last night, aside from commenting that they seem to setup very similar to Ole. Does he bring anything new to the table?

it’s his win % at all of his clubs that has question marks for me as it’s over a longer time than 1 match
 

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A high press isn't the only way to win the ball. Pochettino as a manager has nowhere near enough pedigree to say that his way is the only way to win. He's the one who needs to adapt to the players he's got to win.

If you're Pep Guardiola, who with dozens of trophies and a record of producing entertaining and winning teams - you can say, my football produces the best results and is the way for us to win.
Exactly. If we ignore biases when it comes to which manager people favor.

In what world does a manager that has no history of success at the highest level doesn't adapt to his best players? Also why the ability of adapting isn't considered a desirable trait for a manager? As far as I know, players are all different, they all have their own identities and personalities, you can't really expect them to play exactly as someone else would. And the fact that both Pep and Klopp adapted their systems to their players is often not mentioned, Liverpool do things differently than Dortmund did under Klopp, they have different players with different qualities. Firmino isn't playing like Lewandowski, no one is playing like Gotze, Robertson isn't Schmelzer, Kuba and Salah are nothing alike.
 

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I get that it - obviously - isn't easy coaching that team, imposing your authority on a bunch of Galacticos (who may be protected by the guy who's your de facto boss on the football side), etc.

But anyone taking that job in the first place surely must have been aware of the situation. If Poch woke up one morning and suddenly realized that PSG is a bit of a circus, then he's incredibly naive.

I can only think that if it's true that he now "desperately" wants out, this isn't because he's finally realized the nature of his working conditions - but rather that PSG have given him direct reason to believe that he's not really wanted there (because they're now pursuing Zidane actively).
Tbf the thing he couldn't have predicted was that they would sign Messi. Adding someone who is almost uniquely bad out of possession to Neymar and mbappe is a different challenge
 

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A top manager gets buy in from such players into their tactical approach
No other manager in the world has to deal with stars like their front 3. Pep and klopp for example both have teams built around how they like to play football without massive egos
 

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He did good work. No doubt about that.

He didn’t do great work.

Better than expected? Possibly arguable but being kind/realistic then yeah he did. What’s arguable is the other big teams all had shit periods coinciding with his good period at Spurs, which was better but not massively better than ’arry’s if you take into account the competition at the time. 2nd is better than 4th as a top finish but as said, the other big teams went missing.

People will say ‘but he didn’t have he budget’ but if you look at his record in the transfer market, I wouldn’t give him any money to spend anyway. When he did spend it was largely on flops.

Won nothing though, shat himself in at least one cup every season and is a fecking coward against big teams.

He’s absolutely nothing remarkable and unfortunately we need remarkable to compete. Unless you can show me clear evidence of the remarkable (i.e. he actually won something and competed properly in big games) then it’s pretty clear he isn’t hugely special.

We’d safely be behind City, Liverpool and Chelsea every season but we’d probably easily get fourth under Poch, so I guess all his fans are happy with that.

I personally hated it when Ole said he didn’t need to win things and I wasn’t impressed when Poch said that too, I want a winner.

Also think he showed clear bias and favouritism by starting a 10% fit Kane and dropping Moura who got them into the final against Liverpool and that ultimately was his death knell. I wouldn’t be arsed playing well for him if he‘ll just play others instead anyway.

Feel free, any of you, to prove what’s so special about him that I’m not seeing. I will absolutely listen.
I agree. Personally I don’t think that going from ole to Poch is going to change things significantly. I think we need something different. I’m not saying that Ten Hag is definitely that guy but I’m convinced that going for Poch at this stage is 5 years too late. They way he sets up is not much different from Ole, his tactics against bigger clubs is similar, his attitude seems to be the same. His win % at all the clubs he’s been at isn’t promising either.
I have no doubt that as a coach he will develop some individuals brilliantly (you could argue the same for Ole too) but as a team I’m not convinced he’s ‘got it’.
This shouldn’t be about Poch v Ten Hag. This should be about ensuring we get the best man who can develop, mentor and build a successful side.
 

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Why do you think it ended so badly for Tuchel.
He wanted a DM they didn't buy him one so he spent 3 months taking passive-aggressive digs at his bosses until they eventually got tired of his crap
 

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He’s got the laziest front 3 in European football. A front 3 he can’t drop either. Love him or hate him, why can’t people see he is managing PSG with his hands tied behind his back. Why do you think it ended so badly for Tuchel.
What was his excuse when he left Spurs in disarray, languishing in the bottom half of the table?
 

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Really?

I mean they beat them in this very group stage in Paris. He beat City in the quarter finals with Spurs too famously, then beat Ten Hag in the semi finals before ironically losing to Klopp in the final.

Poch has beaten all the top managers at some point. He's a good coach.
I think consistently is the key point. Pep has won 13 times against him. His record against the big 6 in England is a concern.
 

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True for Klopp probably. It's why he was always set on the Liverpool job after Dortmund - the clubs profile fits in with him.

I don't think that's true for Guardiola though. His footballs first and foremost about being dominant on the ball.
Pep has dropped plenty of players because they do not work hard enough defensively.. Sergio Aguero is a slightly more recent example. Messi also had to put in workmanlike performances while they were together.

I think you’ve countered your own point though. Being workmanlike and wanting to be dominant in possession isn’t mutually exclusive. The top coaches strive for both. In Poch’s case at PSG, his hands are tied because of owner intervention.

I do share concerns about whether Poch will be a success here but if there’s a chance to get him in now I’d take it instead of dithering about, and judge him based on this season.
 

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A top manager gets buy in from such players into their tactical approach
You’re not going to get Neymar and Messi to change their game - no matter who you are.
 

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Exactly. If we ignore biases when it comes to which manager people favor.

In what world does a manager that has no history of success at the highest level doesn't adapt to his best players? Also why the ability of adapting isn't considered a desirable trait for a manager? As far as I know, players are all different, they all have their own identities and personalities, you can't really expect them to play exactly as someone else would. And the fact that both Pep and Klopp adapted their systems to their players is often not mentioned, Liverpool do things differently than Dortmund did under Klopp, they have different players with different qualities. Firmino isn't playing like Lewandowski, no one is playing like Gotze, Robertson isn't Schmelzer, Kuba and Salah are nothing alike.
If you read this place and never watched a game of football, you'd come to the conclusion that Pep Guardiola plays the same team the same way year in year out. He loses a CL tie in which he's completely changed his line up and the response here is - "Ha! He's not adaptable enough" when it's probably the other way around as him messing around too much is what sometimes costs them.

If there's one thing I've learned about our fanbase since Fergies retired - the actual football doesn't matter. It's almost irrelevant. What matters is "the man". They're all caught up in having the "right man" leading us. On the pitch they can do whatever, the results only matter to a degree - but what's most important is having a cult of personality leading the club. It's why there's such an obsession around Pochettino now, as everyone's convinced themselves he's "the man".
 

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He wanted a DM they didn't buy him one so he spent 3 months taking passive-aggressive digs at his bosses until they eventually got tired of his crap
It was longer than 3 months and it started with Antero Henrique who was sacked and replaced by Leonardo during summer 2019.
 

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Luis Enrique and Tuchel had no issue doing that.
Luis Enrique nearly got sacked when he tried actually :lol:

He did manage to get Messi to change for about a year, won the treble, then Messi reverted back and he spent his final season trying out every astral configuration he could think of to make it work
 

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If you read this place and never watched a game of football, you'd come to the conclusion that Pep Guardiola plays the same team the same way year in year out. He loses a CL tie in which he's completely changed his line up and the response here is - "Ha! He's not adaptable enough" when it's probably the other way around as him messing around too much is what sometimes costs them.

If there's one thing I've learned about our fanbase since Fergies retired - the actual football doesn't matter. It's almost irrelevant. What matters is "the man". They're all caught up in having the "right man" leading us. On the pitch they can do whatever, the results only matter to a degree - but what's most important is having a cult of personality leading the club. It's why there's such an obsession around Pochettino now, as everyone's convinced themselves he's "the man".
You’re in the wrong thread then. The current golden boy for permanent manager is ETH. Interim is Rangnick (whom I’m against because of his managerial record).
 

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Luis Enrique and Tuchel had no issue doing that.
There was article on Tuchel when he was sacked or about to be sacked, wouldn't look out of place if someone said it's about ole. Complaints about no structure, pattern of play and few more issues.
 

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“His hands are tied”
“He is being held hostage”
"No other manager has to deal with that superstar front 3"

Crazy the kind of excuses that are being made for him. You would think he was managing Sean Dyche’s Burnley on a shoestring budget judging by the way people rush to defend him on here. In reality he has one of the most expensive squads in the world and in the summer they strengthened it even further with Donnarumma, Hakimi, Ramos, Mendes Wijnaldum and fecking Messi.

Neymar from that 'superstar front 3' isn't even a problem from a work ethic perspective. His metrics show he's more than capable and willing to cover the distance. So this "Poch is forced to carry 3 passengers" notion is nonsense. The reality is that there are massive shortcomings in his tactics.

There are zero excuses for him, especially as the situation at United is almost identical. If he's struggling to implement a proper system at PSG, he has minimal chance of managing to implement one at United.
 

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“His hands are tied”
“He is being held hostage”
"No other manager has to deal with that superstar front 3"

Crazy the kind of excuses that are being made for him. You would think he was managing Sean Dyche’s Burnley on a shoestring budget judging by the way people rush to defend him on here. In reality he has one of the most expensive squads in the world and in the summer they strengthened it even further with Donnarumma, Hakimi, Ramos, Mendes Wijnaldum and fecking Messi.

Neymar from that 'superstar front 3' isn't even a problem from a work ethic perspective. His metrics show he's more than capable and willing to cover the distance. So this "Poch is forced to carry 3 passengers" notion is nonsense. The reality is that there are massive shortcomings in his tactics.

There are zero excuses for him, especially as the situation at United is almost identical. If he's struggling to implement a proper system at PSG, he has minimal chance of managing to implement one at United.
Bingo.
 

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“His hands are tied”
“He is being held hostage”
"No other manager has to deal with that superstar front 3"

Crazy the kind of excuses that are being made for him. You would think he was managing Sean Dyche’s Burnley on a shoestring budget judging by the way people rush to defend him on here. In reality he has one of the most expensive squads in the world and in the summer they strengthened it even further with Donnarumma, Hakimi, Ramos, Mendes Wijnaldum and fecking Messi.

Neymar from that 'superstar front 3' isn't even a problem from a work ethic perspective. His metrics show he's more than capable and willing to cover the distance. So this "Poch is forced to carry 3 passengers" notion is nonsense. The reality is that there are massive shortcomings in his tactics.

There are zero excuses for him, especially as the situation at United is almost identical. If he's struggling to implement a proper system at PSG, he has minimal chance of managing to implement one at United.
This.
 

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Pochettino is obviously a good manager and he's far from the worst option. Even the posters who write that they don't want him will mostly agree with this.

I do however think that his biggest "fanboys" have to accept that he might not be everyone's first or even second choice. Moreover, the competition in the PL hasn't been this fierce for a really long time. You could make a genuine argument that the 3 best teams in the world right now are all PL teams(City, Chelsea and Liverpool). On top of this, you have Conte managing Spurs of all teams. Even Arsenal and Lego Pep seem to be in a good flow. Rodgers gets a lot of flack in here, but he is also a good manager. Moyes also seems to have found his new "Everton" and we can probably expect to see him breathing down the 4th place's neck for all foreseeable future.

Because of this, it makes sense to me that people would choose a more "mystical" option like Ten Hag. I don't feel that Pochettino has what it takes to come out on top in the current fierce PL climate. That is not an insult to Pochettino, but rather a testament to how rough things are in the PL right now.
 

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“His hands are tied”
“He is being held hostage”
"No other manager has to deal with that superstar front 3"

Crazy the kind of excuses that are being made for him. You would think he was managing Sean Dyche’s Burnley on a shoestring budget judging by the way people rush to defend him on here. In reality he has one of the most expensive squads in the world and in the summer they strengthened it even further with Donnarumma, Hakimi, Ramos, Mendes Wijnaldum and fecking Messi.

Neymar from that 'superstar front 3' isn't even a problem from a work ethic perspective. His metrics show he's more than capable and willing to cover the distance. So this "Poch is forced to carry 3 passengers" notion is nonsense. The reality is that there are massive shortcomings in his tactics.

There are zero excuses for him, especially as the situation at United is almost identical. If he's struggling to implement a proper system at PSG, he has minimal chance of managing to implement one at United.
Not as many excuses as were made for Ole tbh.
 

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Luis Enrique nearly got sacked when he tried actually :lol:

He did manage to get Messi to change for about a year, won the treble, then Messi reverted back and he spent his final season trying out every astral configuration he could think of to make it work
I'm more thinking about Neymar, he was a different player in 2017 than he was in 2013-2014, the main differences were his pressing, tracking back and willingness to be more than a dribbler.
 

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There was article on Tuchel when he was sacked or about to be sacked, wouldn't look out of place if someone said it's about ole. Complaints about no structure, pattern of play and few more issues.
That very well may be the case but were those complaints persistent during his tenure as well, if not then it's actually different.
 

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There was article on Tuchel when he was sacked or about to be sacked, wouldn't look out of place if someone said it's about ole. Complaints about no structure, pattern of play and few more issues.
And that article was nonsensical, I said it at the time and I will say it again. The one big criticism that I have for Tuchel was that he was always tinkering even when things were working which sometimes disrupted things.
 

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Add me to the list of people not convinced about him, nothing to do with his time at PSG as well as I think most managers would struggle in that position.

To my eye, his best football (which hasn't been seen in about 5 years now) relied on intense counterpressing, but giving his forwards complete creative freedom once the ball has been turned over. I think for this reason, his teams never really looked identifiable on the ball, despite scoring a fair few goals.

He did well to establish Spurs as one of the top sides in the EPL, but it feels like once teams started showing him respect and limiting their own mistakes, Poch did little/nothing to push Spurs on to the next level and struggled when he needed to refine his attacking game plan. In contrast, Guardiola's City team evolved pretty much year on year in the same time.

We're already in a position where teams show us respect and try to limit their own mistakes against us, we're also just very easy to play against:lol: With that in mind, I think we'd benefit from that added organisation and intensity that Poch brings, but I think we'd find ourselves in a similar situation to 17/18 or 20/21 - a good team that lacks the ruthlessness to put the some of the well organised teams away ala Chelsea, City and Pool.

Happh to be proven wrong if he joins though...
 

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“His hands are tied”
“He is being held hostage”
"No other manager has to deal with that superstar front 3"

Crazy the kind of excuses that are being made for him. You would think he was managing Sean Dyche’s Burnley on a shoestring budget judging by the way people rush to defend him on here. In reality he has one of the most expensive squads in the world and in the summer they strengthened it even further with Donnarumma, Hakimi, Ramos, Mendes Wijnaldum and fecking Messi.

Neymar from that 'superstar front 3' isn't even a problem from a work ethic perspective. His metrics show he's more than capable and willing to cover the distance. So this "Poch is forced to carry 3 passengers" notion is nonsense. The reality is that there are massive shortcomings in his tactics.

There are zero excuses for him, especially as the situation at United is almost identical. If he's struggling to implement a proper system at PSG, he has minimal chance of managing to implement one at United.
Spot on and its exactly my concern with Poch. I see no evidence why he would work at United when he is having such issues at PSG.
 

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Man City 2-1 Paris St-Germain: Mauricio Pochettino left envious as Pep Guardiola thrives

Mauricio Pochettino's mission at Paris St-Germain is to win the Champions League amid the talk he will be the next manager of Manchester United.

If the Argentine fails, that may be the end of him at PSG anyway, even if he wins the French title. If he succeeds, he might feel his work in Paris is done and that he can move on with grateful thanks.

This may just be a "win-win" for Manchester United as they move from caretaker to interim manager and on to a summer permanent appointment following the sacking of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.

The Champions League is the one trophy to elude Pep Guardiola at Manchester City amid a blizzard of domestic domination. That absence was felt most painfully when they lost last season's final to Chelsea in Porto.

But barring something unforeseen, Guardiola's future at City is as rock solid as he wishes, which cannot be said of Pochettino in Paris.

There was certainly temptation to highlight a contrast between Guardiola's bastion of stability and Pochettino's relative uncertainty as City secured top spot in their Champions League group with a fully deserved 2-1 win over PSG at Etihad Stadium.

City's manager spoke glowingly on the eve of this game about his personal and professional relationship with director of football Txiki Begiristain, one that goes back to their playing days together at Barcelona. Meanwhile, the speculation in Paris is about the perceived unease between Pochettino and sporting director Leonardo.

Guardiola's Manchester City were everything Pochettino likes his teams to be and more besides. for a start, they were actually a team.

City were a coherent, fiercely committed unit playing in the very specific style their manager demands. PSG were a collection of talented individuals with many marching to their own beat.

Guardiola's team has world-class players but they all work within that familiar high-intensity framework, allied to the sort of character that allowed them to shrug off the blow of going behind against the run of play to turn the game around.


PSG almost operate like two teams locked within one. There are Lionel Messi, Kylian Mbappe and Neymar - and then there's everybody else.

Pochettino's teams usually have his philosophy stamped right through them. Positive, athletic, pressing, intense. Every player imbued with a relentless work ethic.

Not this one.

The growing feeling, as the PSG fans made their discontent known at the final whistle, is that Pochettino's long-term hopes rest on somehow imposing his style on individuals who like to do their own thing. On this evidence, he has a job on his hands.

On several occasions, PSG's men at the back were seen gesturing to those at the front to get their hands dirty as City turned up the pressure. Those pleas that often fell on deaf ears. Too often, the big three were just strolling around and the rest were not good enough to carry them.

Messi, Mbappe and Neymar have all those glorious gifts but work-rate was not one of their qualities here. And, deep down, you can imagine that Pochettino's natural instinct is to want so much more.


In these circumstances, with these players, Pochettino could struggle to impose his style. PSG do not look or play like a Pochettino team.

If he does not, or cannot, do that, then talk of his arrival at Manchester United will only grow louder.

City were everything PSG were not. Pochettino must have looked on in envy as City's players showed sweat-stained character and resilience as well as class. And it was all done without Kevin De Bruyne, Phil Foden and £100m summer signing Jack Grealish. If calling this a statement win should be avoided, it was certainly a statement of strength in depth.

It is a mystery how the Champions League title has escaped a side as good as City but the talk of "statement" wins that usually follows these results is wasted now because too often it has been followed by disappointment. Their quest is quite simple. Win it.

When they play like this, they take some stopping. But we have said this before.

Taken on this game, however, City were the complete package. They imposed their will on PSG from the first whistle, pushing the French league leaders back, but they were hit with a sucker punch when Mbappe pounced on Messi's deflected cross.

PSG had asked the question of City and received an emphatic answer. Raheem Sterling capped a period of pressure with the equaliser and Gabriel Jesus scored the winner after Neymar missed a perfect opportunity to restore PSG's lead.

Once again, City showed they are perfectly at home among Europe's best. They must be placed with Chelsea, Liverpool and Bayern Munich in an elite group who can believe that Europe's most prestigious trophy can be theirs.

Pochettino cut a frustrated figure at the final whistle, disappointment written over his face at PSG's performance and the result.

Guardiola, in contrast, was a picture of delight at the end of a contest between Manchester City's team and PSG's individuals. The team won convincingly.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59411459
 

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He'll be our new manager soon enough regardless of what anyone thinks of his style or achievements, and I do love the new "let's write someone off before they're even in the job to hide my thinly guised love in for Ten Hag" approach the Caf is currently taking.
 

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“His hands are tied”
“He is being held hostage”
"No other manager has to deal with that superstar front 3"

Crazy the kind of excuses that are being made for him. You would think he was managing Sean Dyche’s Burnley on a shoestring budget judging by the way people rush to defend him on here. In reality he has one of the most expensive squads in the world and in the summer they strengthened it even further with Donnarumma, Hakimi, Ramos, Mendes Wijnaldum and fecking Messi.

Neymar from that 'superstar front 3' isn't even a problem from a work ethic perspective. His metrics show he's more than capable and willing to cover the distance. So this "Poch is forced to carry 3 passengers" notion is nonsense. The reality is that there are massive shortcomings in his tactics.

There are zero excuses for him, especially as the situation at United is almost identical. If he's struggling to implement a proper system at PSG, he has minimal chance of managing to implement one at United.
it’s easy to be critical and negative because no candidate is perfect, especially when you choose to dismiss or belittle potentially valid reasons for failure that Tuchel and Emery also faced.

I don’t think you’d see anyone satisfied with Poch coming in now not have the same question marks as those who don’t. Who would you want come into the job now, and why? I could do the same as what you’ve done to look edgy and knowledgable.
 
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it’s easy to be critical and negative because no candidate is perfect. Who would you want come into the job now?
It's possible to be critical and still be fine with Pochettino becoming United's manager. Some of you are way too dramatic about people doubts.
 

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“His hands are tied”
“He is being held hostage”
"No other manager has to deal with that superstar front 3"

Crazy the kind of excuses that are being made for him. You would think he was managing Sean Dyche’s Burnley on a shoestring budget judging by the way people rush to defend him on here. In reality he has one of the most expensive squads in the world and in the summer they strengthened it even further with Donnarumma, Hakimi, Ramos, Mendes Wijnaldum and fecking Messi.

Neymar from that 'superstar front 3' isn't even a problem from a work ethic perspective. His metrics show he's more than capable and willing to cover the distance. So this "Poch is forced to carry 3 passengers" notion is nonsense. The reality is that there are massive shortcomings in his tactics.

There are zero excuses for him, especially as the situation at United is almost identical. If he's struggling to implement a proper system at PSG, he has minimal chance of managing to implement one at United.
Bit of a poor post here - he's walking 11 points clear in the league without a sweat. If you think defending with 2 outfield players not bothered to put a shift in is going to not materially handicap you against Pep's City then you're just mistaken. It's really that simple. And even still he won one 2-0 and lost one 2-1.


No manager is perfect, Ten Hag had a turbulent times at Ajax during a period, believe it or not. It's quite hilarious to see such an obvious agenda against Poch without reasonable basis.
 

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He'll be our new manager soon enough regardless of what anyone thinks of his style or achievements, and I do love the new "let's write someone off before they're even in the job to hide my thinly guised love in for Ten Hag" approach the Caf is currently taking.
I'd love the CAF not to be the toxic cesspit it has been for years but nothing will change if we get Poch. People have made their mind up and will be hounding him out the door the minute he wins a game in unconvincing fashion
 

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He'll be our new manager soon enough regardless of what anyone thinks of his style or achievements, and I do love the new "let's write someone off before they're even in the job to hide my thinly guised love in for Ten Hag" approach the Caf is currently taking.
Or maybe people are just not really convinced about Poch.
I think Ten Hag is the best option, but I would not have moaned if we had gone for Conte or even Zidane, simply because they have proven how good they are, and in Ten Hag's case his philosophy and style is very clear to see.
With Poch I just dont see any of that. He has yet to win any major trophy and its at times very difficult to find out what his system is, the same issue we had with Ole.
On top of that the players he bought at Spurs where largely very bad.
 

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I remember the jokes about Klopp, the Norwich Cup etc.

Pep for all his greatness has achieved nothing more than any other Man City Manager in recent times.

Poch built a Southampton then sold all their best players, and took a Spurs to dizzy heights, and was let down by squad burnout.

I say give him a chance, I have no doubt our style of play will be better within weeks, who knows what levels we can reach, but if he can take a spurs nearly all the way, he can take a United over the line.
 

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That very well may be the case but were those complaints persistent during his tenure as well, if not then it's actually different.
Not sure, I don't read all the articles. It was posted on caf few days ago.

Like @JPRouve said, maybe that article was nonsense, I have no idea. I didn't watch any of their league games and didn't follow them closely. So have to rely on what fans say on reddit or what some journalist post on Tuchel's time.
 
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