Which players will be the biggest winners and losers under Rangnick?

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Based on his philosophy, I can see anyone above the age of 25 who doesn't fit the system being cashed out and replaced with someone on their 1st or 2nd professional contract.

I really hope we do not transform into Wenger's Arsenal. That is a bigger likelihood than success imo. Glazers' way.
This is actually a pretty big thing for me as well. His philosophy is to find relatively unknown players, improve them and sell them on.

We don't really need to do that, we're top of the foodchain already. We can afford to go buy the best players in the world. Let's see how he adapts.
 

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I've a feeling that the January transfer window will be a busy time for Murtaugh - mainly outgoing
 

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Nah. Greenwood will be class regardless. If anything I think Rangnick would use him in a front 2 a lot more often which suits him more. Whats not to like about Greenwood? Quality player who works hard, just needs instruction and coaching. Same with Rashford.
I don't think he works hard, I certainly don't get that from watching him play. He's supremely talented, but hard working is not a trait I would associate with him.
 

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Winners: Sancho, Vdb, Fred and Lingard

Losers: Martial and Pogba
 

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Winners: Fred, Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, Dalot,

Losers: Mctominay, Maguire, AWB, Shaw.
 

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I agree James could have been useful in Rangnicks system and I was against selling him, but I think Lingard and Elanga can perform similar roles.
 

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All centerbacks and DDG will look a class better in a well structured team. So will Sancho.
 

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Fred fits the intense pressing and speedy transition philosophy very well.

Sancho should fit this like a glove and has experience in German systems.

Rashford and Greenwood - could go either way but they could work beautifully with this if they have the mentality and intelligence to adapt.

AWB the biggest loser I predict - RR will not tolerate a fullback that can't play football or provide an attacking threat.

Controversial opinion - I think Bruno may be a loser here too. Undisciplined and maverick, the opposite of a system player. On the other hand if he can be harnessed within the system he could be magnificent.
I think Bruno will be the biggest winner. RR will utilise Bruno’s biggest strength of always looking for forward balls, and coach the players in front of him to be looking for them. RR doesn’t care about losing possession, it gives his teams a chance to progress the ball further up the pitch and press from there.

Brunos biggest issue is he seems to have become a little lazier in the last 6-12 months than he was when he first signed. He’s going to have to rediscover his defensive work rate.
 

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This is actually a pretty big thing for me as well. His philosophy is to find relatively unknown players, improve them and sell them on.

We don't really need to do that, we're top of the foodchain already. We can afford to go buy the best players in the world. Let's see how he adapts.
I wouldn't have any problem with him bringing in his own type of player, if he fits in with the team.
 

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I said it in another thread, the biggest reason why Ronaldo was Solskjaer's undoing is that lack of organisation in the way we press as a team makes it less efficient, meaning players with lower stamina levels get exposed quickly. Lukaku, Martial and now to a much bigger extent Ronaldo suffer the most from this, and why Cavani had such a big impact.

A lot of Managers establish a pressing game without having to sacrifice on the ball quality for " lungs " all around the pitch. Daniel James, Lingard, Fred and Mctominay are played ahead of other more technically gifted players for that reason.

The less efficient your press is, the more you need to press. Not exactly rocket science, but it should've been clear to anyone at the club that the whole team would need to up their off the ball game significantly when Ronaldo game. He guarantees goals, but also makes it a lot more difficult to get a foothold in the game. We already struggled to dominate pre Cristiano, effectively removing a defensive presence for 50% of the time will not exactly help our ability to dominate.

This is why having McFred at the base of midfield was necessary. It s an overcorrection, adding lungs in the middle of the park to account for the loss in miles up top.

Personally, I think moving to a more possession based system will have had a similar, potentially more positive correcting effect, but the difficulty of moving to such a system after the season had already started is something to consider. You re not going to get Bruno hitting Iniesta stats, and McFred, contrary to popular belief, is not the reincarnation of prime Xavi-Busquets partnership.
And I'm having a wonderful time visualizing Wan Bissaka doing his best Dani Alves impersonation, resulting in Fellaini v Bayern type mazy dribbles that end with him tackling the ball for a throw in.

Good times
 

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I think there are a few players that will suit in this system.

Bruno - His pressing football will be key, with a system press he could excel in this
Sancho, Rashford, Donny - If we work out a system, they will be so good to watch.
 

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Anybody with good technical attributes and intensity will be a winner. He won't tolerate players who go hiding or invite trouble.

Winners:
Sancho
Fred
DVB
Lindelof
Bruno

Losers:
Maguire
McTominay
Pogba
 

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Anybody with good technical attributes and intensity will be a winner. He won't tolerate players who go hiding or invite trouble.

Winners:
Sancho
Fred
DVB
Lindelof
Bruno

Losers:
Maguire
McTominay
Pogba
Maguire/Mctominay will not be a loser, take them out and put Martial/AWB.
 

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Maguire/Mctominay will not be a loser, take them out and put Martial/AWB.
He wont tolerate McTominay hiding from the ball nor his poor positioning, and he wont like Maguire taking forever to make a decision on what to do.

He has no alternative for AWB and Martial has the technical skills, its just whether he has the desire.

Winners: Fred, Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, Dalot,

Losers: Mctominay, Maguire, AWB, Shaw.
I know he had that interview where he spoke about Shaw, but when he's on form he seems like exactly the kind of player Rangnick would like. Good on the ball and gets up and down the pitch with pace and intensity.
 

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I've a feeling that the January transfer window will be a busy time for Murtaugh - mainly outgoing
Surely an interim manager can't be shipping loads of players out, unless the new manager, who won't even be signed up yet, let alone making decisions, gives his blessing!
 

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I don't think he works hard, I certainly don't get that from watching him play. He's supremely talented, but hard working is not a trait I would associate with him.
But that's irrelevant. Working hard under Ole didn't convince him it was worth the extra effort. To me that's a flaw in Ole's coaching. If the press is a press that is left up to the individual, then that means there is no coordination. With no coordination, pressing isn't as effective in churning out possession turnovers allowing Greenwood to benefit from them (goals and assists). If the press is more effective under the new manager, then it would give Greenwood more incentive to press. One because his job could be on the line, and two because it could give Greenwood a few more goals and assists.

I still remember Ronaldo chasing shadows in 2011 or 2012 under Mourinho in el classico, because no one joined in. After that, why would anyone press as often as those who do so under Pep? There is no incentive for the waste of energy.
 
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But that's irrelevant. Working hard under Ole didn't convince him it was worth the extra effort. To me that's a flaw in Ole's coaching. If the press is a press that is left up to the individual, then that means there is no coordination. With no coordination, pressing isn't as effective in churning out possession turnovers allowing Greenwood to benefit from them (goals and assists). If the press is more effective under the new manager, then it would give Greenwood more incentive to press. One because his job could be on the line, and two because it could give Greenwood a few more goals and assists.

I still remember Ronaldo chasing shadows in 2011 or 2012 under Mourinho in el classico, because no one joined in. After that, why would anyone press as often as those who do so under Pep? There is no incentive for the waste of energy.
That is a fair point on poor coaching of the press, but I do think in general over the few years of watching him, he doesn't have a natural desire or instinct to press the ball or close down space as an attacker. So he will have to change the most out of all our attackers in my opinion - he has the biggest advantage being the youngest, so he should be more willing to change and has more time to adapt.
 

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I reckon Elanga will find his way in, his speed is very useful for such a system.

Dalot will probably find more minutes too.
 

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Surely an interim manager can't be shipping loads of players out, unless the new manager, who won't even be signed up yet, let alone making decisions, gives his blessing!
Well, the runours are that his role after interim manager is gonna be to choose the new manager and reshape the football structure of the club. If true, then yes, it makes sense for him to already start making signings and selling players regardless of who is gonna be the new manager.

Ole, with a bit of luck, is the last United’s manager who chose whom he signs and whom he sells. Assuming that Rangnick experiment works, the next manager is actually gonna be just a head coach, tasked with leading the team, improving the players by quality coaching, but without having a massive say in signings. More or less how every other club operates.
 

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Wouldn't be surprised if we get a definitve answer as to why Klopp or Guardiola would never sign Pogba.

Hopefully he can mould Fred into a better all round player than he is currently and McT too. Also think the treatment of Amad by the club has been very questionable.

Surely it's final orders for Mata and Matic at the club too.
 

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is he actually going to be allowed to sell players or will he have to implement his system just with our existing squad? Will he be allowed to buy cheap young players and develop them? That’s a huge part of what he offers. His scouting has been second to none.
 

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Why do people think Martial will struggle and Rashford will not? I don't see much of a difference in their effort off the ball. Rashford is a risk taker, loses the ball very often, but comes up with some magic moments. Martial though is more suited to quick one twos and better back to goal. But they are both in the same basket imo.
 

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Oh so now most of the posters think Fred will be a winner after saying he is a poor poor footballer ever since he came here. Interesting no one is saying he would lose given what a terrible footballer he is. Never change caf. Never change.
He's been utilized poorly but he's not a poor footballer, his form with Seleçao since he played himself into q starting role is evidence of that.

People just think he'll do well in a press oriented system being our best pressing midfielder by far
 

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Why do people think Martial will struggle and Rashford will not? I don't see much of a difference in their effort off the ball. Rashford is a risk taker, loses the ball very often, but comes up with some magic moments. Martial though is more suited to quick one twos and better back to goal. But they are both in the same basket imo.
rashford for me will look to improve his game, martial seems content to stay the same since he was 19
 

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This is actually a pretty big thing for me as well. His philosophy is to find relatively unknown players, improve them and sell them on.

We don't really need to do that, we're top of the foodchain already. We can afford to go buy the best players in the world. Let's see how he adapts.
Do you think this is because he hasn’t had war chest to spend like Ole has had?
with more cash will he not look to bring in a bigger names?
 

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Why do people think Martial will struggle and Rashford will not? I don't see much of a difference in their effort off the ball. Rashford is a risk taker, loses the ball very often, but comes up with some magic moments. Martial though is more suited to quick one twos and better back to goal. But they are both in the same basket imo.
On the bolded, you really should.

Martial is static and to be honest a lazy player who goes large periods totally anonymous. Doesn't put in a shift like Rashford who will give his all even when he isn't playing his best football. I also happen to think Martial is a tad thick, which in some ways is better than being lazy or more respectable at least. That might sound harsh but I've given up any shred of hope/expectation for Martial.

I can see Rashford committing 100% to Rangnick's tactics and that's exactly what you need when there is a big change in tactical approach, players buying into it.
 

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Why do people think Martial will struggle and Rashford will not? I don't see much of a difference in their effort off the ball. Rashford is a risk taker, loses the ball very often, but comes up with some magic moments. Martial though is more suited to quick one twos and better back to goal. But they are both in the same basket imo.
I was just about to say similar. Rashford's off the ball defensive game is really bad, he strolls about. I can't see Rangnick tolerating it like Solskjaer did.
 

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Why do people think Martial will struggle and Rashford will not? I don't see much of a difference in their effort off the ball. Rashford is a risk taker, loses the ball very often, but comes up with some magic moments. Martial though is more suited to quick one twos and better back to goal. But they are both in the same basket imo.
I think there's some aspects of Rashfords game that will infuriate Rangnick. If he can eradicate Rashfords weaknesses and make him more efficient it could be great for all involved.
 

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I think there's some aspects of Rashfords game that will infuriate Rangnick. If he can eradicate Rashfords weaknesses and make him more efficient it could be great for all involved.
Both are in the same situation. When they show they are willing to learn and work, they will play. If not, they will be benched.

I will not predict the future of any player under Rangnick, maybe except Fred and Sancho, I trust both to work well under him. Apart from them I am not sure who will react in which way to Rangnick.
 

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Both are in the same situation. When they show they are willing to learn and work, they will play. If not, they will be benched.

I will not predict the future of any player under Rangnick, maybe except Fred and Sancho, I trust both to work well under him. Apart from them I am not sure who will react in which way to Rangnick.
No, lots of people are talking about Rangnicks comments on Luke Shaw from a few years back and expecting Shaw to struggle. I'm not so sure, Shaw, although his current form isn't the best, is a different player now and think he could 100% thrive.
 

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This is actually a pretty big thing for me as well. His philosophy is to find relatively unknown players, improve them and sell them on.

We don't really need to do that, we're top of the foodchain already. We can afford to go buy the best players in the world. Let's see how he adapts.
I think this fear is unwarranted. Surely an interim won't be given carte blanche for a clear out, especially in January where prices will likely be lower?

How much of the structural approach of RB isn't just because they can't afford well known players in their prime?
 

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Actually I strongly feel he will be one of the biggest winners. Because a big part of what Rangnick brings is about transforming somewhat lazy players into hard pressers.
ha, sorry that isn't happening with Martial.
 

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There are some lazy arguments being thrown around. Pogba and Martial are lazy and don't press so they will be the losers. Cavani and Lingard work hard and press so they will be the winners. It doesn't really work this way. Different coaches can get very different performances from the same players. It's about which one's are willing to work hard and adapt and which one's don't. 90% of this forum want ETH in the summer but in a possession based system Bruno allegedly suffers a great deal, yet that's not a given. It all depends wether a player is willing to adapt to the required style.
 

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First off, delighted with the news like most of us are. Fingers crossed things start improving now big time.
For me, Maguire could suffer. If Rangnick wants us to play a high line and press, Maguire’s lack of pace and agility mightn’t cut it.
Also De Gea arguably. He would need to be coming off his line much quicker.
 

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On the bolded, you really should.

Martial is static and to be honest a lazy player who goes large periods totally anonymous. Doesn't put in a shift like Rashford who will give his all even when he isn't playing his best football. I also happen to think Martial is a tad thick, which in some ways is better than being lazy or more respectable at least. That might sound harsh but I've given up any shred of hope/expectation for Martial.

I can see Rashford committing 100% to Rangnick's tactics and that's exactly what you need when there is a big change in tactical approach, players buying into it.
On the bolded - it's far more controversial statement than saying there isn't much between Rashford and Martial when it comes to defensive contribution. For me they are both lazy, I would put Martial below Rashford in that regard but I still maintain it's a negligible difference.

I expect every player to commit to Rangnick's tactics, unless Martial is already in different place in his head (which might be the case).