Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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Carrick is good enough to stay and learn from Rangnick. It will do him good. But why are Phelan, McKenna and Hartis staying? Ole was sacked, but they remain? That's just not fair. I hope Rangnick cuts them loose. They have no business being involved in the management of a top flight club.
 

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Not usually one to say dissenting opinions should be shut down but it seems to me that thread was started (and is being enjoyed) by children (or adults with the maturity of children).

Of all the intriguing things we can discuss on him, some joker decided having a sack thread is top priority. feck that.
Children most definitely. Or childish adults.
 

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No idea why people are complaining that Carrick, Phelan etc are staying on.

Ralfie will assess them and their futures will depend on him and whoever is brought on as permanent manager. There's no reason to rush anything just for the sake of sacking them.
 

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I think it's pathetic even if it's made in jest. Why can't we just rally around a new manager for once without having to give the idiots a platform to spout their nonsense. There always seems to be this divide on the forum and threads like that only serve to encourage it.
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Fair enough. I'm not expecting him to coach us to the CL final. I do expect him to completely rip up what the players have been told for the last few years and get them on board with a progressive modern vision, some will fall by the wayside, and others will really develop. I also expect him to mitigate the absolute disaster that is the club hierarchy by holding their hands and showing them what to do, when, and why. And it's interesting that it's mentioned that he'll have influence over contracts at the club that are due to expire next summer as that speaks to a long-term vision. That he will be part of appointing a new manager is a huge deal, and I take it absolutely on face value because he does in no way seem the type to go along with things if there's no substance to it.
Yeah.

In a nutshell, it sounds like we finally hired someone to do what many wanted a Director of Football to do. Call it Consultant, Head honcho, MOTU, whatever, the simple notion that the guys at the top signed off on an actual football man leading football stuff has blown my mind and really opens up a world of possibilities I had long given up on.

Who stays or goes? Don't care, it's pretty clear the guy isn't exactly a sentimental luvvy-duvvy type.
 

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But isn't that in particular the whole reason for being on a forum where debate within common interests goes on? There wouldn't be much to debate if there wasn't a divide.
I guess so mate I just despise that kind of attitude on here before a ball has been kicked. It would be nice to have some positivity and togetherness for once. I've seen the morons even have a countdown clock on when he's going to leave in that thread ffs.
 

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Carrick is good enough to stay and learn from Rangnick. It will do him good. But why are Phelan, McKenna and Hartis staying? Ole was sacked, but they remain? That's just not fair. I hope Rangnick cuts them loose. They have no business being involved in the management of a top flight club.
Wow, talk about plucking something out of nowhere. What tells you that Carrick, who was part of two failed management teams, has it whereas McKenna doesn't, and more importantly, Phelan doesn't?

For what it's worth I think we should cut them all loose as a collective, but what do you base your differentiation of the four on?
 

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I think it's pathetic even if it's made in jest. Why can't we just rally around a new manager for once without having to give the idiots a platform to spout their nonsense. There always seems to be this divide on the forum and threads like that only serve to encourage it.
Yeah but you should know better to listen to the guy who made that thread. Total twat.
 

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But isn't that in particular the whole reason for being on a forum where debate within common interests goes on? There wouldn't be much to debate if there wasn't a divide.
~15 years ago we used to chat about our common interests. Some held different opinions, yeah, that's what prompts discussion and dialogue.

It doesn't all need to be divisive debate and laughing at <username> dying on <playername>'s hill.
 

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Awful rewarding of failure, these lot should be out along with Ole, how is it he's in the mud and these lot get to continue on with their jobs like nothing happened, coaches under 2 sacked managers... typical of this club
Agreed, they all have to share some of the responsibilty.
 

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Exactly. I mean what possible reason would you have for making a negative thread before the guy has even landed in Manchester.

To be funny? Except it’s not. All it does is open the door for and encourage negative shite from the very moment he takes over.

This creates a divide from the start resulting in people overtly backing their argument and entrenching themselves on one side or the other from the off.
There always a divide whoever the manager. Being as though he is just an interim i suspect people won't get to entrenched to Ralfin or Ralfout. Whatever happens he won't be manager come next season.

The fact is we don't know how he's gonna do, hopefully he will do well and results and performances improve but he could be a disaster.

If he does well, people will get behind him, if he struggles people will start complaining.
 

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Exactly. I mean what possible reason would you have for making a negative thread before the guy has even landed in Manchester.

To be funny? Except it’s not. All it does is open the door for and encourage negative shite from the very moment he takes over.

This creates a divide from the start resulting in people overtly backing their argument and entrenching themselves on one side or the other from the off.
This.

Ridiculous thread, mods should close it down.
 

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I guess so mate I just despise that kind of attitude on here before a ball has been kicked. It would be nice to have some positivity and togetherness for once. I've seen the morons even have a countdown clock on when he's going to leave in that thread ffs.
Seen the clock, it does my head in.
 

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Can someone explain to me how McKenna, who was poached from Spurs after being very highly rated and was then promoted from our under 18s after doing a brilliant job and impressing Mourinho is “jobs for the boys”? We then finished 3rd and 2nd in his first senior coaching gig so he must have been doing something semi-competently right? If Ralf thinks he’s useless he’ll go. Somehow I suspect he isn’t and he’ll learn feck tons.
 

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Not sure why Mickey shorts is staying? Talk about too many cooks....
 

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Carrick is good enough to stay and learn from Rangnick. It will do him good. But why are Phelan, McKenna and Hartis staying? Ole was sacked, but they remain? That's just not fair. I hope Rangnick cuts them loose. They have no business being involved in the management of a top flight club.
Not sure DDG would appreciate yet another goalkeeping coach, especially as he seems to have got some of his magic back.
 

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I guess so mate I just despise that kind of attitude on here before a ball has been kicked. It would be nice to have some positivity and togetherness for once. I've seen the morons even have a countdown clock on when he's going to leave in that thread ffs.
When you try that hard, it's just not funny.
 

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Yeah I think it will be a while before things get much better tbh. A lot of people comparing the situation to Tuchel but Chelsea played much more cohesive stuff under Lampard.

A lot of people are expecting big things but given the dramatic changes he wants to make it may get pretty ugly for a while. We'll be trying things our players just aren't accustomed too. Injuries could be an issue if we up the intensity in training, especially over the winter period with fixtures coming so quickly. I do expect him to solidify the team and improve defensively but that's just how bad we were under Ole.

I don't really care about the results this season so long as there's obvious progress being made in terms of the identity of the team. It's a free hit for a few months. By mid-February/March time you'd hope to see a coherent plan that the players are following effectively.
Has he said what dramatic changes he wants to make, or is this wishing?
 

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The hype is exciting, but I can't help wonder why he has never been a properly big club if he is as good as advertised.
 

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Awful rewarding of failure, these lot should be out along with Ole, how is it he's in the mud and these lot get to continue on with their jobs like nothing happened, coaches under 2 sacked managers... typical of this club
A “small number” of his own staff. Unless RR wants to keep those 3 (Carrick, McKenna & Phelan) then that’s fine but are the club that skint to bin those 3 off who were part of the problem under Ole?
 

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No wonder the Glazers sanctioned it, he's a freebie.
Oh do behave. Or maybe he was signed for his world class tactics & coaching abilities and the club negotiated him without paying comp? Or better yet, Rangnick managed to get out of the contract himself? Or OR there was a clause in his contract to free himself from it if a club of Man Utd’s stature came calling? Everything so cynical on here.

But isn't that in particular the whole reason for being on a forum where debate within common interests goes on? There wouldn't be much to debate if there wasn't a divide.
Yes there is. But you’ll get used to it here. Literally EVERYTHING has a reason to moan or shit on. Even Ten Hag would get a sack watch thread. It’s tiring.
 

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If the coaching staff are adaptable and capable of learning what Rangnick wants to bring in and implementing it, I see no issue with them staying on. Rangnick will be able to assess that himself, and if the club genuinely trust him to implement important changes, then let him do it.
 

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And yet we played better the last two games than we have done all season, maybe it was Ole giving the instructions and the coaches just followed what they were told?

Major disrespect to Phelan too, an assistant manager who has won multiple trophies at Man Utd, as the assistant manager.
Please tell me you're joking.

We were outplayer in CL and Chelsea gave us an ass-whooping and should have won comfortably. Surely you're not happy with the ultra negative tactics?
 

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Awful rewarding of failure, these lot should be out along with Ole, how is it he's in the mud and these lot get to continue on with their jobs like nothing happened, coaches under 2 sacked managers... typical of this club
Hopefully, 1-2 of them get sidelined and seek opportunities for themselves. Phelan might even be retirement age.
 

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I think he will bring in changes after assessing the current crop for a few weeks. Till then, no point in speculating if the backroom staff stays or not.....shape up or ship out hopefully is the motto
 

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If the coaching staff are adaptable and capable of learning what Rangnick wants to bring in and implementing it, I see no issue with them staying on. Rangnick will be able to assess that himself, and if the club genuinely trust him to implement important changes, then let him do it.
There are no reasons for Phelan to stay. He hasn't been coaching and has had a weird assistant manager role under Ole. He is of no use to Rangnick. As for Carrick and McKenna, if they are obedient movers of cones and capable of learning, they can stay but they should have zero say in tactics or team selection
 

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Please tell me you're joking.

We were outplayer in CL and Chelsea gave us an ass-whooping and should have won comfortably. Surely you're not happy with the ultra negative tactics?
You spent half the game yesterday shitting on it so was expecting you to pipe up.

CL - 1st clean sheet in god knows how long.
PL- A quality solid performance against top of the league where we could’ve won it if Fred squared it. Yes we may have lost due to the dire start. But they’re both whataboutisms.

Fact of the matter is, we’ve improved. Even if slightly. If Ole was in charge we’d have been spanked both times.

Cheer up a little.
 

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Has he said what dramatic changes he wants to make, or is this wishing?
If you’ve ever seen a Rangnick team you’d see we’re about as far away from one as is possible. The graphic Sky used yesterday was a good indicator. We are bad at just about everything he values.
 

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Awful rewarding of failure, these lot should be out along with Ole, how is it he's in the mud and these lot get to continue on with their jobs like nothing happened, coaches under 2 sacked managers... typical of this club
Would you have said the same about MP under SAF?
We were more compact in the 2 games that MC was in charge, + we saw how he managed the squad with his starting lineup and subs, so maybe a lot of it is down to Ole!
DDG has improved this season, maybe RH is doing something right as well!
A bit unfair to point the finger at the other guys without really knowing much.
 

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No idea why people are complaining that Carrick, Phelan etc are staying on.

Ralfie will assess them and their futures will depend on him and whoever is brought on as permanent manager. There's no reason to rush anything just for the sake of sacking them.
Some just want to needlessly complain about something, anything, keep the negativity going sadly. Fortunately reading through, seems most have some general common sense.

These coaches are under contract and just throwing them out is costly without even giving Ralf a chance to assess. Not only that but, Ralf is not going to do everything himself and he can't just bring a bunch of other coaches for a short time. Where are these world class assistants just hanging around that will be willing to take a 6 month gig anyway? So he is going to need staff at least in this short term to help.

As to Carrick / McKenna, they are still young from a coaching side. Yes, they've been part of management that has had us playing a lot of dull football with seemingly no plan many times but, if there is trust in Ralf's methods, then you only need to listen to what he said about how a coaches job is to transfer that vision into the hearts, minds, veins etc of the players - that will be true also for the coaches because they will not be sitting there and conveying their own game plan. In those 2 at least he will have 2 that he could quickly and easily absorb his ideas and help then to get across to the team.

Phelan - that's bit of a toss up. But, it's not like his is some dullard who has not had great experience under a great manager during a successful period. Or could just be the money and lack of other available resources at least for now.
 
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