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When he speaks about bringing in 2 maybe 3 of his own coaching staff but tough due to brexit.

Didn't Klopp have an assistant that left couple years ago, chap with Long hair, worked at Dortmund as well. I remember Klopp speaking highly of him and how much influence he had on his teams/coaching.

What happend to him anyone know?
Željko Buvač. Wikipedia (which also helped me with the diacritics) says he left Liverpool in April 2018 and became sporting director of FC Dynamo Moscow in February 2020.
 

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Thought he came across well talking a lot of sense, controlling games is something sorely lacking at the club currently. Saw Arsenal had something like 84% possession last night after Ronaldo scored the penalty.

Seems to have a high level of respect for the club and it's stature too which at times seems a little lacking on the forum.
 

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Enjoyed the press conference and while it feels different from the others I thought LVG, Jose and Ole had good first press conferences.

Unsurprisingly the focus was on him, so it doesn't seem like there has been any team news.
 

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Unsurprisingly just a whole different aura than Ole. The levels of experience and confidence he clearly has is just another level.
The craziest thing is that he isnt afraid to offer his genuine opinion, meaning he isnt bothered if he offends anyone or not.
 

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The craziest thing is that he isnt afraid to offer his genuine opinion, meaning he isnt bothered if he offends anyone or not.
I enjoyed his answer to the question about signing players. Wish more managers were like that. Calling the press out on their bullshit for all to hear.
 

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After 3 years of talking about intangibles passion desire wanting it more, old days and united DNA, is so fresh to have a manager talking about specific tactics, control, he seems really confident. Hopefully he can implement his style fast enough for us to secure top 4 and challenge in the UCL. I like him already.
 

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I liked his general comments about aiming to ensure that the team has more in control in matches, and that control coming through proactivity, rather than sitting back, being passive in a defensive shape. He wants us to play how we did in the first 15 minutes of the second half where we played the game in Arsenal’s half, both with and without the ball.
This was what stood out to me also. For so long we’ve been playing games in our own half. And also being reactive rather than proactive (especially when pressing) so this was fantastic to hear. I know it’s going to take time but it’s great to know he knows our struggles already and knows what we need to do to rectify them! Awesome
 
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My takeaway is that he is very impressed with the talent in the squad. As we could see from yesterday’s performance, both Bruno and Ronaldo were quite good at pressing.

It’s not hyperbole to say this is probably the most talented squad he’s ever coached. He seems confident that he can make significant tactical changes and improve the performances.

Looking forward to the next few weeks of matches.
 

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He spoke with Ole for 2 hours before Chelsea game. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer loves our club and is a fecking legend.
Loved this part! Ole will always have the best interests of the club and hearing his song last night was amazing!

As for Ralf, comes across with such confidence and intelligence, could hear him talk about football for ages! Truly excited to have him on board!
 

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I’m a firm believer that one key element to succeed as a new leader/manager is to be a natural talker that also is;

a) well prepared whenever they going to talk in public or in front of their staff/players. Most insiders immediately recognize too much BS
to much
b) has a good understanding about current problems and has also a initial vision how to move forward. The in depth analysis and the overall philosophy can be talked about later on.

Knowledge gives confidence. Confidence gives personality and authority. Authority and knowledge often creates a vibe of being charismatic and all this together makes people believe and ‘buy“what they hear.

The first presser as a interim manager from Ralf Rangnick was impressive but this next step is to follow that up with visible changes on the pitch so we can see that not only can he talk the talk but also walk the walk.

I'm very hopeful but also old grumpy and cynical enough to know that one swallow doesn’t make one summer. The first hurdle was handled with excellent communication and authority, let it continue like that and we’re in for a exiting future.
 

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He’s got a really hard job on though. Much harder than people seem to accept.


Will the owners let him ship out the players theyve been systemically hoarding post Fergie? Which leads to point 2…

what’ll he do with the players that were unhappy before but still can’t get into his team and they start up again.

this pressing in the oppositions box is all well and good but can any of you really see Pogba Martial Matic Ronaldo Rashford Greenwood pressing like that? I think it’ll be a struggle.

Does he have long enough/the actual power to change things around from January on?

few bad results in a row will really show what he’s made of as a manager. As a consultant if we want to modernise our club and way of playing I don’t think there are many better. It really just depends how much power he has to shape the club

Best of luck to him.
 

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Loved it when he said we need to play more in the opponents half to utilise out weapons and assets
Yes we basically gave them the ball in our third of the pitch waaaay too often (similarly Vs Liverpool), they were just simply not good enough to capitalise honestly. Good teams will make you do that AND punish you.
 

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He’s got a really hard job on though. Much harder than people seem to accept.

who has said it's not a tough job?

Will the owners let him ship out the players theyve been systemically hoarding post Fergie? Which leads to point 2…

when has it been a issue with the owners in moving players on? It's been a question of getting the right value for them, something which we have actually got quite good at recently.

what’ll he do with the players that were unhappy before but still can’t get into his team and they start up again.

that's what being a manager is about. Every squad dynamic has that issue to contend with.

this pressing in the oppositions box is all well and good but can any of you really see Pogba Martial Matic Ronaldo Rashford Greenwood pressing like that? I think it’ll be a struggle.

Why will they? Because you've not seen them do it before in a system that hasn't demanded it? Doesn't mean they aren't capable. I assume you didn't see Ronaldo last night..

Does he have long enough/the actual power to change things around from January on?

He's staying as coach for 6 1/2 months then at the club in consultancy role akin to a DoF for two years. Theres nothing to suggest he won't have the power so why assume he won't?

few bad results in a row will really show what he’s made of as a manager. As a consultant if we want to modernise our club and way of playing I don’t think there are many better. It really just depends how much power he has to shape the club

Best of luck to him.
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Control always sounds good but as people have already mentioned hopefully it‘s controlling and winning the game rather than LvG‘s dull 0-0 control.
And I wouldn‘t worry about him not knowing much about his advisory role. I assume for now he just wants to focus on his coaching role and the next 6 months rather than openly discussing his role beyond that period.
 

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I've heard people (German speakers) calling him a bit...full of himself - or more precisely, that he can come across as such at times. Not getting that impression at all from this presser, though. Seemed milder than I'd perhaps imagined - but at the same time very confident (without coming across as arrogant at all - very respectful of the club's history, for one thing).

As far as first impressions go - very good.
 

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You seem to be following me around on here snapping at me when I ask questions about how this new era is going to develop. I admire your bullishness but think it may ultimately prove to be unfounded if our owners just continue to operate in the same the way they have post Fergie with every other manager. Hopefully not as we both want the same thing for the club.

the biggest problem with this club has been the owners, their slow reactive responses to various challenges and mainly their shoddy recruitment practices. Too slow to act and get with modern football principles. Slow to employ knowledgable football people from the outside. Slow to move unhappy players on. Happy to overpay for the wrong players and keep players here who don’t fully buy into it. Letting the club fall far behind on most fronts if we are being honest. All their contrasting managerial appointments just scream guesswork.

Most on here have alluded to our main problems not being a player issue but being a coaching issue. I think the most pressing issues are too much money and player power with a very average United squad and the owners dithering and the contrasting coaching styles as to why we find ourselves where we currently are. The owners have refused to sell players plenty in the past. See Pogba and Jose. Martial is our Pele when he’s been anything but. Leaving Ole with the biggest and most expensive squad in the league and McT and Fred as our midfield and about 12 forwards for 3 positions. protecting the assets? What other major club does that to nearly the same extent? of course it’s going to lead to discontent over minutes behind the scenes. Youth not getting a chance and other players quietly sitting here on big deals they wouldn’t get close to elsewhere. In other words it’s a clusterfeck

I’m assuming RR will have the necessary power to trim the squad to a reasonable level which inspires maximum competition and also provides value for money which we are surely not seeing now. If he isn’t given that power. Eg: Say RR doesn’t want him but hes forced to have 3 more seasons of Pogba as the leagues highest paid player etc. then it just defies all logic and is pretty impossible to work with. That’s the owners making the major calls and letting their staff deal with the consequences.and Klopp or Pep or Tuchel would never work like that. Hopefully RR and Murtough have final say in shaping the squad into a more harmonious, balanced, hardworking and hungry unit that provides much better value for money than we have seen at any other point post Fergie.
 
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The most important part for me is when he said we lacked control in parts of the match vs Arsenal. He saw that straight away and will now work on the training pitch to correct it.
 
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He spoke with Ole for 2 hours before Chelsea game. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer loves our club and is a fecking legend.
Ole probably had subliminal messages playing saying “McFred the best” “McFred are like Keane and Scholes Vs Juventus away in 99” “Donny is rubbish, Donny Crap” “Dna dna McFred are the United DNA”
 

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I've heard people (German speakers) calling him a bit...full of himself - or more precisely, that he can come across as such at times. Not getting that impression at all from this presser, though. Seemed milder than I'd perhaps imagined - but at the same time very confident (without coming across as arrogant at all - very respectful of the club's history, for one thing).

As far as first impressions go - very good.
Depends which teams they are supporting here.
Ralf Rangnick has a very big knowledge and found a lot of talented players.
 

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Gloat and take the piss out of me all you want but I will defend Rangnick until the end too. Especially if he doesn't hit the ground running, as the pitchforks will be out, we all know that.

I defended Ole as there was some positives, no matter how hard some "Ole Outers" would lead you to believe.

Yes, towards the end, even I, a strong believer in giving Ole time and believing he should be kept on, felt that things were getting untenable, each and every match was a "how much are we going to lose by" match. It was the right time for things to change. Ok maybe it should've been after Man City at least. But I was passionate about the club and still am, I felt that we should invest in long term. But things were getting worse and worse, so maybe there was enough time. There was tumescent football being played and you could see glaring errors on the pitch, it seemed like no one knew what to do.

We'll never know now of course. But I am very very very excited for the future of Man Utd under Rangnick's tenure. The future of the Man Utd is a promising one.
Not sure why you're getting pelters, but then again, should I be surprised at how far things have fallen on here?

A United supporter, supporting United... The temerity of it all(!) :houllier:
 

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Eg: Say RR doesn’t want him but hes forced to have 3 more seasons of Pogba as the leagues highest paid player etc.
I understand your worry - it's perfectly understandable.

But I really don't see this happening. It's not the Glazers' style. They've effectively bankrolled a series of stupid decisions on the football side ever since Fergie retired - but there's very little evidence that they've made any of these decisions themselves. There's also very little actual evidence that Woodward has meddled to any degree with what has been - up till now - the manager's business.

In short, I think they're all perfectly happy to leave football decisions to football people. The fact that it's taken them so long to move away from an outdated model - is remarkable. But I really don't think it has anything to do with a desire to call the shots on footballing decisions - it's a form of negligence more than anything: as in, neglecting to make proactive decisions, just carrying on with a model that hasn't worked at all since SAF stepped down (and the reason why they've been so negligent/complacent is that the club has kept on generating money for them, of course).

As you suggest yourself, it would make absolutely no sense to hire someone like RR in this interim/consultant role (which gives him considerable power as a team builder) - and then undermine him by forcing players on him, etc. They won't do that - I really don't think so.
 

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Getting real good vibes from what I've seen from Ralf so far. I think he's going to be very good for our club.
 

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Depends which teams they are supporting here.
Yes, seems he isn't too popular with fans of a certain club.

I get the dislike for Red Bull, of course, in general terms. I don't particularly like that whole concept myself. But it doesn't detract from RR's actual work.
 

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You seem to be following me around on here snapping at me when I ask questions about how this new era is going to develop. I admire your bullishness but think it may ultimately prove to be unfounded if our owners just continue to operate in the same the way they have post Fergie with every other manager. Hopefully not as we both want the same thing for the club.

the biggest problem with this club has been the owners, their slow reactive responses to various challenges and mainly their shoddy recruitment practices. Too slow to act and get with modern football principles. Slow to employ knowledgable football people from the outside. Slow to move unhappy players on. Happy to overpay for the wrong players and keep players here who don’t fully buy into it. Letting the club fall far behind on most fronts if we are being honest. All their contrasting managerial appointments just scream guesswork.

Most on here have alluded to our main problems not being a player issue but being a coaching issue. I think the most pressing issues are too much money and player power with a very average United squad and the owners dithering and the contrasting coaching styles as to why we find ourselves where we currently are. The owners have refused to sell players plenty in the past. See Pogba and Jose. Martial is our Pele when he’s been anything but. Leaving Ole with the biggest and most expensive squad in the league and McT and Fred as our midfield and about 12 forwards for 3 positions. protecting the assets? What other major club does that to nearly the same extent? of course it’s going to lead to discontent over minutes behind the scenes. Youth not getting a chance and other players quietly sitting here on big deals they wouldn’t get close to elsewhere. In other words it’s a clusterfeck

I’m assuming RR will have the necessary power to trim the squad to a reasonable level which inspires maximum competition and also provides value for money which we are surely not seeing now. If he isn’t given that power. Eg: Say RR doesn’t want him but hes forced to have 3 more seasons of Pogba as the leagues highest paid player etc. then it just defies all logic and is pretty impossible to work with. That’s the owners making the major calls and letting their staff deal with the consequences.and Klopp or Pep or Tuchel would never work like that. Hopefully RR and Murtough have final say in shaping the squad into a more harmonious, balanced, hardworking and hungry unit that provides much better value for money than we have seen at any other point post Fergie.
Not following you around but your posts jump out as almost always negative and cynical.

Maybe you're just a glass half empty kind of person?

Simply asking you to account for your negativity.
 

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Rangnick's target
"The major target for me is just to bring more balance to the team. We conceded two goals yesterday and if you look at the total of number of goals conceded, it is on average of two a game. That is just too much. Those are not the kind of games you need every day. In football to me, it's to minimise the coincidence factor."
So he is going to set us up to defend as a team. It is Mou all over.

#RalfOut
 

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Lets be honest he's only here for 6 months, they're not going to get top class coaches for that time period.

We will have to make do with what we have, the main thing is the guidance comes from the top. I'm sure the likes of Mckenna are able to follow instructions.
OK yea that's true and he did say he wants to bring a few in.
 

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Just watched the conference. He speaks better English than me! Nailed every answer, really impressed with his responses. I know it literally is all talk right now, but I don't think I've ever felt this optimistic about the future of United post SAF.

It's the hope that kills you :lol: