Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

[ShinjiNinja26]

I don't have my mind set on that they will fail here.

I am just questioning people who said they will be fine. How would they even be sure? They can't be.

But what I find positive with this is that they are all into attacking and pressing stuff and I am all for it even if it does not turn out very well. Beats playing 7 defenders and still lose.

Just tempering my expectation a bit here.

I wouldn’t worry too much Ralf knows what he’s doing, I doubt he’d bring in anyone he didn’t feel was up to the job and has worked with them previously anyway. Look at the likes of René Meulensteen and Mike Phelan for example, they were part of a very successful coaching team under Sir Alex yet they both couldn’t cut it on there own as managers. You can be a very good coach and know tactics inside out but maybe don’t possess the man management skills to be a successful manager.

 

[MUFC OK]

Marsch as an assistant would be a coup. Did incredibly well at Salzburg, even if it hasn't worked out at Leipzig. I think it's pure guesswork from The Times though, 2+2=5 vibes.

 

[edcunited1878]

The potential introduction of Armas and Marsch....are not really "inspiring", but they do provide Rangnick with continuity and foundational knowledge of the system he's trying to implement moving forward.

Armas and Marsch are products of Rangnick and on their own, they didn't do well. However, under the temporary guidance of Rangnick and his instructions, I'm more comfortable knowing they are doing as they are specifically told.

The American media was blow this overboard again say that these American coaches are making in roads to the top levels of football, which is not the case. They would never be at United if it was for themselves being sacked and for Rangnick, first and foremost.

 

[The United]

I wouldn’t worry too much Ralf knows what he’s doing, I doubt he’d bring in anyone he didn’t feel was up to the job and has worked with them previously anyway. Look at the likes of René Meulensteen and Mike Phelan for example, they were part of a very successful coaching team under Sir Alex yet they both couldn’t cut it on there own as managers. You can be a very good coach and know tactics inside out but maybe don’t possess the man management skills to be a successful manager.

Should hire Ole back. We need a feel good vibe coach.

 

[edcunited1878]

I wouldn’t worry too much Ralf knows what he’s doing, I doubt he’d bring in anyone he didn’t feel was up to the job and has worked with them previously anyway. Look at the likes of René Meulensteen and Mike Phelan for example, they were part of a very successful coaching team under Sir Alex yet they both couldn’t cut it on there own as managers. You can be a very good coach and know tactics inside out but maybe don’t possess the man management skills to be a successful manager.

You also have to have good players and earn the time to develop or acquire good to better players. Let's not pretend that you can make crap into cake just because you're a tactical genius with top level personal skills.

 

[Idxomer]

The potential introduction of Armas and Marsch....are not really "inspiring", but they do provide Rangnick with continuity and foundational knowledge of the system he's trying to implement moving forward.

Armas and Marsch are products of Rangnick and on their own, they didn't do well. However, under the temporary guidance of Rangnick and his instructions, I'm more comfortable knowing they are doing as they are specifically told.

The American media was blow this overboard again say that these American coaches are making in roads to the top levels of football, which is not the case. They would never be at United if it was for themselves being sacked and for Rangnick, first and foremost.

I doubt we will get Marsch but he has done well with Salzburg.

 

[TMDaines]

This is such a pleasing watch. Feels as if we are in safe hands for the rest of the season and someone from whom we can only benefit being involved in the longer term.

 

[SeanyC]

Marsch would be a great addition, seem to remember he did better than alright at Salzburg

 

[Fitchett]

I believe Viktor Maslov beat Ramsey to the 4-4-2. Maslov was using it in the 60's with Dynamo Kyiv when everyone else favoured the 4-2-4. He saw the vulnerabilities in that and made the change. But yes, though Ramsey wasn't the pioneer, he was the first to implement in this country.

Thanks for that! It's always good to learn something new. Dynamo Kiev have been quite the pioneers then, with their coach Lobanowski making such an impression on Ralf Rangnick in the 1980's.

 

[Newtonius]

This is such a pleasing watch. Feels as if we are in safe hands for the rest of the season and someone from whom we can only benefit being involved in the longer term.

Poor guy must be getting sick of doing interviews at this point can only really give the same answers so many ways, pretty sure he even said after the game that he hasn't even had time to celebrate the win yet having to do several of them.

 

[justsomebloke]

Oh there were. Believe me. When we won, some were quick to put laughing emojis saying "but no pattern of play, no tactics" sarcastically. The must keep Ole at all cost brigade were something else.

Er, yeah. What they meant with that clearly wasn't that patterns of play or tactics doesn't matter, but that the people arguing we had neither of those things were wrong.

 

[Blood Mage]

Marsch and Rangnick don't get on particularly well according to rumours so I'[d be surprised to see him come here.

 

[danamann]

Marsch and Rangnick don't get on particularly well according to rumours so I'[d be surprised to see him come here.

Interesting, Rangnick was the one who brought him to Leipzig as assistant coach before Marsch went on to coach Salzburg. Do you have any sources for that?

 

[Marcelinho87]

I don't care how these guys performed in their roles as managers, all that matters to me is that Ralf trusts them to get the job done here.

 

[justsomebloke]

Donny has shown more in the few games he has played than McT has for the entire season (in the same position). Obviously he has deserved his chance. Obviously Ole and Carrick would both persist with Scott over Donny... they were both part of the same coaching setup. And we know that Ole was never a hands on coach. It's too early to say that Rangnick would prefer DVB or McTominay more since he's been in charge for a single game. We'll have to wait and see. But nothing will convince me that McTominay deserve to start over DVB until I see with my own eyes that DVB isn't playing any better. Also, another Fred in McTominay's position is the last thing we need. We need a holding midfielder that can dictate the tempo and control the game. I don't think Donny is precisely that, but he'd surely be a massive upgrade over McTominay in that department


He hardly does. Kante is so small yet he dominates his opponents. McTominay could hardly ever get the ball away without fouling. Even someone like Fred who is extremely small, all things considered, is way more capable of taking the ball than McT. So if you mean that he does utilize his physical advantages to great effect, you'd be wrong. And as far as his passng goes, we saw this last night when Dalot was completely open and he missed an extremely easy pass and then tried to blame Dalot. His passing is absolutely dreadful at this level, not mediocre. Fred has mediocre passing.

Well, no. Statistically at least Fred actually has good passing. McT not so much, but it's way better than "absolutely dreadful". What I'm saying is you're exaggerating.

 

[bosskeano]

Jesse would be a very good addition to the staff as he's experienced plus he knows the system and what Ralf will be wanting in the training sessions

 

[stefan92]

Interesting, Rangnick was the one who brought him to Leipzig as assistant coach before Marsch went on to coach Salzburg. Do you have any sources for that?

Here Jesse Marsch said a bit about it: https://www.skysportaustria.at/marsch-ueber-zusammenarbeit-mit-rangnick-es-ist-schwierig/

- it's difficult to work with Rangnick due to his intensity
- they were not best buddies
- they had a good relationship and good work together
- Marsch's mind was with the team and not with Rangnick

Guess what we can take from that is, that they are not friends, but were good colleagues, and that Marsch took a bit more responsibility for the man-management and took care of the players issues. Nothing to rule him out becoming assistant for Rangnick again I believe.

 

[hellhunter]

Just a random thought, if we implement a heavy pressing style in training, shouldn't that also improve our defender's ability to handle the press, since they're exposed to it in training?

 

[Resch]

Marsch as an assistant would be a coup. Did incredibly well at Salzburg, even if it hasn't worked out at Leipzig. I think it's pure guesswork from The Times though, 2+2=5 vibes.

Marsch could be a motivator, but nothing else. He was nothing special at Salzburg, his success was based on the talent of his players. His tactics were called Kick&Marsch: long balls, fight for the 2nd ball, press and pray. Tactical level of Ole....

 

[stefan92]

Just a random thought, if we implement a heavy pressing style in training, shouldn't that also improve our defender's ability to handle the press, since they're exposed to it in training?

I believe the most important thing to handle pressing is to have options where you can pass to. A defender on himself can't do much to handle pressing most of the time, especially not someone like Maguire (remember his red card against Villareal...), it's more about movement of the midfield to be able to free yourself from that. So a clear shape and defined movement will be the most important factor in becoming more press resistant as a team.

 

[hellhunter]

I believe the most important thing to handle pressing is to have options where you can pass to. A defender on himself can't do much to handle pressing most of the time, especially not someone like Maguire (remember his red card against Villareal...), it's more about movement of the midfield to be able to free yourself from that. So a clear shape and defined movement will be the most important factor in becoming more press resistant as a team.

Certainly a good point, but it should at least help with the deer in headlights moments

 

[The United]

Marsch could be a motivator, but nothing else. He was nothing special at Salzburg, his success was based on the talent of his players. His tactics were called Kick&Marsch: long balls, fight for the 2nd ball, press and pray. Tactical level of Ole....

Well, since he was/is connected to this professor, so he must be good. Or something.

 

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[hungrywing]

Just a random thought, if we implement a heavy pressing style in training, shouldn't that also improve our defender's ability to handle the press, since they're exposed to it in training?

Who are you who are so wise in the ways of sports science.

 

[Resch]

Well, since he was/is connected to this professor, so he must be good. Or something.

He is good at motivation, talks about mentality all the time.
I saw 90% of the Salzburg matches under Marsch and he started great with a already well trained team. After 3 months the team became worse and worse. Marsch needed the Corona break and a point reduction to win the league against LASK under Ismael. Last year he won the league, but struggled again for some parts of the season. In the CL Salzburgs performances were good, but they had no chance in the EL. All the International matches showed Marsch is not good enough.
His pressing is special, Salzburg often tried to intercept. They opened a passing lane just to close it the moment the pass was played. A risky tactic. Well prepared players will block the interception and open up space for themself.

 

[Timdbro]

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That’s interesting about the distance run being less than our average, I hadn’t seen that bit. I wonder what that will look like in a month or two.

 

[The United]

That’s interesting about the distance run being less than our average, I hadn’t seen that bit. I wonder what that will look like in a month or two.

Do you think that we should have run more or less? What is it interesting about?

 

[Shane88]

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One game, for goodness sake. Not even worth the airtime.

 

[Teja]

Just a random thought, if we implement a heavy pressing style in training, shouldn't that also improve our defender's ability to handle the press, since they're exposed to it in training?

I believe the most important thing to handle pressing is to have options where you can pass to. A defender on himself can't do much to handle pressing most of the time, especially not someone like Maguire (remember his red card against Villareal...), it's more about movement of the midfield to be able to free yourself from that. So a clear shape and defined movement will be the most important factor in becoming more press resistant as a team.

Agree with these. I don't think pressing and playing out from the press are significantly different skills, it's mostly where do various players position themselves in relation to each other and in relation to the ball more than being "press resistant" or whatever. Sure there's some individual component to it, but mostly it's about creating numerical overloads and those pretty little triangles to provide options to the ball carrier.

It also helps that a team that can press well can also go long when the situation demands. There's some expectation that you can press and recover the ball if you give it away. e.g., if we went direct and gave the ball away to City under Ole, the next 5 minutes will be spent running this way and that while they pass you to death. Very significant negative penalty to giving it away and you don't want to be the guy that gives the ball away and subjects your team to that.

 

[Reddevildans]

One game, for goodness sake. Not even worth the airtime.

Yep encouraging signs so far. But it's one game. Let's see after this week's two games.

 

[Timdbro]

Do you think that we should have run more or less? What is it interesting about?

More - usually if a team is tackling more, winning back possession in the opponent’s half more and generally pressuring more it’s because it’s covering more ground. Klopp even said it early on in his Liverpool days, he specifically wanted the number of kms covered to go up.

 

[432JuanMata]

Would the Caf take Ralf full time ? I would love that energy in the first half in just one training session

 

[VidaRed]

Would the Caf take Ralf full time ? I would love that energy in the first half in just one training session

Well unless he wins us the CL i'd want ten hag next season and ralf moving upstairs.

 

[Greck]

My wife's xG is severely under par and I'm thinking about upgrading.

absolute lack of ambition on your part. Should have a caretaker mistress, caretaker interim mistress and several candidates for the permanent replacement.

 

[Tapori]

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"They worked SMARTER."

This is key; any team can run. You need to have a plan, shape, purpose and intelligence to know the majority of the time how best to utilise your fitness.
I was pleasantly impressed and long may it continue.

 

[championo]

So he is hiring a Ted Larso type of coach now?

 

[Greck]

Would the Caf take Ralf full time ? I would love that energy in the first half in just one training session

Let's just stick to our original plan and hire one of the promising candidates that will be available in the summer. We should be more concerned about getting Rangnick a real job as an exec not the token consultancy role being suggested. Especially while the club fools around with old boys with zero qualifications in those roles. Rangnick in that role could be the much needed continuity that keeps us from hitting the reset button everytime we change managers.

We also need to modernize the United way beyond pashun, manager worship and outdated playstyles and it starts with a stable figurehead who's actually clued about these modern principles.

 

[Man of Steel]

Slightly trivial but does anyone know how to pronounce his name correctly? I've heard that you should pronounce the g and the n, so Rang nick said as it's spelt. I think in German you say Rangnick too. Then other's like Goldbridge are calling him Ranyick?

 

[Mr.Ridiculous__]

Just a random thought, if we implement a heavy pressing style in training, shouldn't that also improve our defender's ability to handle the press, since they're exposed to it in training?

Rangnick has talked about how a team should handle being pressed as well.

 

[peridigm]

Slightly trivial but does anyone know how to pronounce his name correctly? I've heard that you should pronounce the g and the n, so Rang nick said as it's spelt. I think in German you say Rangnick too. Then other's like Goldbridge are calling him Ranyick?

Asked this same question last week and someone said it’s just like it’s spelled.