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We're not going to see any Schumacher 1997. The hype some of the media are trying to generate about Lewis being rammed off is a bit pathetic and transparent.

But it will be interesting to see what happens if we get an incident like Silverstone or Monza. Where both drivers are aggressive and contribute to an accident, one driver is clearly at fault, and the other is left considerably worse off. Because obviously that should only be dealt with as all other similar incidents have been dealt with this season, by a 10 second time penalty.
 

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We're not going to see any Schumacher 1997. The hype some of the media are trying to generate about Lewis being rammed off is a bit pathetic and transparent.

But it will be interesting to see what happens if we get an incident like Silverstone or Monza. Where both drivers are aggressive and contribute to an accident, one driver is clearly at fault, and the other is left considerably worse off. Because obviously that should only be dealt with as all other similar incidents have been dealt with this season, by a 10 second time penalty.
It's really not. Max has shown all season long through his driving that he does not give a shit about coming into contact with Lewis where Lewis has shown all season with the exception of him finally taking a stand once, that he will back out and look for a better opportunity. I think it's ridiculous for the hype to try and say that Max will deliberately do it with the intention of taking them both out so he wins by default - that's clearly not going to happen but if there's a situation where Lewis is P1 to Max's P2 from the start and Max goes into turn 1 with the same aggression and selfish mindset he has done all season long he's not going to pull out and look for a better opportunity even if the other 19 drivers on the grid would pull out 100 times out of 100. There's no reason why he'd suddenly act differently to how he has the entire season and so the end result could be a ruined race for either, or both.
 

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I really doubt this will happen. He hasn't tried to bump people off the track either, I think these suggestions are way overblown. Also, in his interviews, he keeps saying that he isn't overly fuzzed with the title - 'I do my best and we'll see what it gets me'.
That's obviously bullshit though. :lol: Imagine hearing a player at the CL final say that they aren't bothered if they win or not. This is huge for them, it would be his first and most memorable. He cares about this an incredible amount.
 

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That's obviously bullshit though. :lol: Imagine hearing a player at the CL final say that they aren't bothered if they win or not. This is huge for them, it would be his first and most memorable. He cares about this an incredible amount.
Well, yeah, obviously - but I think it does indicate that he's not bigging this up as the be-all and end-all in his mind.

For what it's worth when he's actually on the track.
 

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He truly believes it. He is absolutely deluded as must be influential figures around him. He should be thinking how lucky he is he didn't get disqualified for the last race alone. Instead he thinks he is the victim. :lol:

If he wins F1 will have created a monster.
 

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Which is of course bollocks unless you're a Hamilton fan. It shouldn't matter if it's the first race of the season or the last. The rules should be the same. Suddenly changing the penalties for the last race is ridiculous. 10s penalty then should be a 10s penalty now. It would be very weird to suddenly start handing out WDC point penalties now. If there's a Schumacher style moment from Max (or Lewis) and they disqualify the culprit like they did Schumacher then fair enough. But WDC point penalties now all of a sudden? That just doesn't make sense. What if Max does now what Hamilton did in Silverstone? What happens then?
The FIA have been building to this all season. It is contrived for commercial gain. In any normal season Max would've had harsher penalties last race leaving him behind in the championship. Also the "half race" with points was ridiculous.
 

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Hamilton needs to nail qualifying and then nail his start. Getting away early and well is his best defence against Verstappen taking him out.

Bottas on the other hand, could redeem his entire Mercedes career by veering into Verstappen off the start.
 

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Hamilton needs to nail qualifying and then nail his start. Getting away early and well is his best defence against Verstappen taking him out.

Bottas on the other hand, could redeem his entire Mercedes career by veering into Verstappen off the start.
:lol:
Joke of a post
 

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As an f1 noob but interested spectator, does Hamilton win the championship if he gets poll and then Verstappen takes them both out of the race? Or do you need to finish the race for the qualifying points to stand?
 

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Hamilton needs to nail qualifying and then nail his start. Getting away early and well is his best defence against Verstappen taking him out.

Bottas on the other hand, could redeem his entire Mercedes career by veering into Verstappen off the start.
Hasn't he already done that this season.
 

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As an f1 noob but interested spectator, does Hamilton win the championship if he gets poll and then Verstappen takes them both out of the race? Or do you need to finish the race for the qualifying points to stand?
Max wins in that scenario. He's leading in race wins
 

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Hamilton needs to nail qualifying and then nail his start. Getting away early and well is his best defence against Verstappen taking him out.

Bottas on the other hand, could redeem his entire Mercedes career by veering into Verstappen off the start.
Red Bull has a sister team if you are forgetting. Also Perez. So if Mercs even thought of trying anything fishy, doubt even Lewis finishes the race in points.
 

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So you need to finish the race in order to get the points for getting pole?
You dont get any points for pole.


Hamilton needs to nail qualifying and then nail his start. Getting away early and well is his best defence against Verstappen taking him out.

Bottas on the other hand, could redeem his entire Mercedes career by veering into Verstappen off the start.
:lol: If that happens Perez should slow down long enough to let Hamilton lap him and then drive him straight into a wall.
 

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As if AlphaTauri are going to get anywhere near Lewis after the start.
Lewis will probably be lapping Tsunoda at least two or three times, especially if he gets another new engine bolted in with the full cheat mode package.
 

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Red Bull has a sister team if you are forgetting. Also Perez. So if Mercs even thought of trying anything fishy, doubt even Lewis finishes the race in points.
:lol: If that happens Perez should slow down long enough to let Hamilton lap him and then drive him straight into a wall.
It's a measure of how off the walls Verstappen has been this year, that we're even having these conversations in only half joking terms. Being serious for a second, he'll end up hurting somebody eventually if his team and F1 don't clip his wings.
 

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Lewis will probably be lapping Tsunoda at least two or three times, especially if he gets another new engine bolted in with the full cheat mode package.
Designing a powerful engine within the rules of F1 is now referred to as "cheat mode".

What a joke. That is a core part of the sport, always has been throughout F1 history.
 

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All the same, people like Gasly, Ocon, and Albon did seem less arrogant in Drive to Survive. Confident, but not entitled or arrogant. Hamilton isn't one of those either in my eyes for that matter.
Hamilton does not come from money. Nor do Vettel or Ocon who both had working class backgrounds.

But what sets Hamilton apart is that he also had to overcome racism, starting as early as his childhood, in his struggle to make it in F1 - being black in a sport made for elite white people was very difficult. In that sense he has broken many barriers on his journey to become the greatest F1 driver of all time.

He is an inspiration for many.
 

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Designing a powerful engine within the rules of F1 is now referred to as "cheat mode".

What a joke. That is a core part of the sport, always has been throughout F1 history.
Not worth engaging with those types of posts to be honest. That level of ignorance isn't worth bothering with.
 

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Fair point.

Serious question, how do I put someone on ignore? I don't think I've done it since the layout change!
When did the layout change? I never noticed!

Click on the username, and it takes you to the user's page. You can choose to follow or ignore the user. And of course the choice is reversible.
 

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Martin Brundle column for Sky.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/2...is-legacy-but-what-a-title-showdown-well-have

Martin Brundle: Max Verstappen must stop these tactics vs Lewis Hamilton for his legacy... but what a title showdown we'll have

"...Such is Max's car control and cunning he's sometimes able to pull off the audacious moves and leave a margin of doubt as to whether it's hard racing or simply a professional foul outside of the regulations. And it's those moments, such as the infamous turn four in Brazil, which are generating the confusion, controversies and inconsistencies.

I'm in awe of Verstappen's driving skills and racing nous, and have championed him since the Chinese Grand Prix of 2015 when he was in the Toro Rosso. His touch and control behind the wheel is something to behold, but it saddens me that he's resorting to such tactics, he's better than that.

And for all his outwardly carefree attitude it will be such a shame if his legacy is to be labelled as an unfair driver.

Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher had their faults too, and I was on the receiving end from both of them on occasions, but it's a sizeable dent on their immense reputations, not a positive...."
 

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So you need to finish the race in order to get the points for getting pole?
No points for pole position. If Max and Hamilton crash out and don't finish, Max wins due to his higher number of race wins, which includes Spa where the race was rained off after one fecking lap.
 

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We're not going to see any Schumacher 1997. The hype some of the media are trying to generate about Lewis being rammed off is a bit pathetic and transparent.

But it will be interesting to see what happens if we get an incident like Silverstone or Monza. Where both drivers are aggressive and contribute to an accident, one driver is clearly at fault, and the other is left considerably worse off. Because obviously that should only be dealt with as all other similar incidents have been dealt with this season, by a 10 second time penalty.
It's not hype, it's genuine concern. He's seen as reckless to the point of being dangerous.
 

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We're not going to see any Schumacher 1997. The hype some of the media are trying to generate about Lewis being rammed off is a bit pathetic and transparent.

But it will be interesting to see what happens if we get an incident like Silverstone or Monza. Where both drivers are aggressive and contribute to an accident, one driver is clearly at fault, and the other is left considerably worse off. Because obviously that should only be dealt with as all other similar incidents have been dealt with this season, by a 10 second time penalty.
Where's the evidence for this? If you look throughout this season I cannot remember a single scenario where Max yields or backs out. He cannot stand the thought of being passed and any opportunity he has to close the door, he will.

It might then be a fine line between "reckless racing" and "deliberate shunt", but really its akin to a kid swinging their arms and walking around "I'm going to do this if I hit you its your fault". If Max drives so recklessly he takes someone out, at what point do you basically say "its deliberate".

Its the same as handball, there are times where its handball even though the player doesn't actually deliberately moves their hand to the ball, but the concept is "if you put your hands above your head in the box you're taking an action where a handball becomes a realistic outcome, so its deliberate".
 

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I've not really been paying attention but i've looked up a couple of times and seen that Lewis has been off the track.. Any particular reason?
 

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There's a high possibility of skullduggery this weekend. Max is supposed to be the future of F1 and his failure to beat the geriatric version of Lewis in a faster car will seriously undermine any future attempts to hype him up as a superstar, especially given he's such a sour and charmless character. I've got a feeling the brand will have to win above all else.
 

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There's a high possibility of skullduggery this weekend. Max is supposed to be the future of F1 and his failure to beat the geriatric version of Lewis in a faster car will seriously undermine any future attempts to hype him up as a superstar, especially given he's such a sour and charmless character. I've got a feeling the brand will have to win above all else.
Wtf is this post. Also Mercedes have much faster car, especially in last few races, but also generally this season. Just look at standings for their respect second drivers and one couldn't be bothered to drive and the other is trying to prove himself.