That's not fun. We expect players that we don't like to leave immediately and foresake the money.
Jesse Lingard 'to leave on a free'
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are people pissed off because...
A. He not that good?
B. He gets paid?
C. He is still here?
D. He may leave on a free?
E. The business didnt sell him and get money?
Which is it?
A. He not that good?
B. He gets paid?
C. He is still here?
D. He may leave on a free?
E. The business didnt sell him and get money?
Which is it?
Sort of a combination of A&C for me.
He's not very good and this conversation has been going on for years.
Leaving on a free because no one will pay money for him
I never understand why this is a big deal in case of players that we don't want to play for us. It is a loss, yes. But there is a contract out there and we have to honour it.
And selling a player is a combination of clubs wanting him for whatever price we ask and the player accepting to leave to that club for whatever salary they offer.
Many posters seem to be almost embarassed at the thought of losing a player on a free.
Formula of reality
Most clubs not willing to pay for a player they can get for free + Player not willing to go to clubs that will pay + Player not giving up signing bonus and big wages = player staying
Formula proposed by people on here
Leave to any club + ensure club get transfer fee + give up massive wages + give up signing on bonus = delusional
Most clubs not willing to pay for a player they can get for free + Player not willing to go to clubs that will pay + Player not giving up signing bonus and big wages = player staying
Formula proposed by people on here
Leave to any club + ensure club get transfer fee + give up massive wages + give up signing on bonus = delusional
As a football fan that's really all we should care about. The money side is small stuff relatively.
The football side should have cut him loose a long time ago.
And also apologize to Redcafe for overstaying.
I do think that Redcafe should hold an annual poll to determine who stays and who does not, and the club should be compelled to abide by it.
Were you ok with Sanchez and Rojo then?
I mean, this opinion means that you'd never blame any player in the world because all of them are doing what is best for themselves.
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Absolutely. Well said.
Exactly. Last summer was the alignment of planet for Lingard to leave and yet it didn't happen. Man Utd didn't benefit in a any way from this.
From their POV, I understand it in a way and I will never hate them for looking out for their best interests. Our club should know better when it comes to extending/offering/improving contracts depending on players. None of those players robbed the club, they were offered money and they took it. Basically I don't give a shit about players, I hope/want to see our club handle these situations better.
Can i have "All the above" option
Normally I would agree with every word of this, but given how (I'm assuming, to be fair) the club stood by him through his mental health struggles, tried to get him help, continued to pay him and generally looked out for him it's a really shitty thing to do to run his contract down, just feels wrong to me.
This is where a Director of Football comes in. Someone sitting above the day to day operations of the Football club, making player decisions based on the strategy against the objectives. This and the Pogba situation could and should have been avoided with the proper structures in place.
Did he run down his contract though? Was he offered a new one? The club has fecked up here, if you ask me. He should have been sold to West Ham (or another PL club) in the summer. They missed their chance and have to live with that decision.
granted there are a lot of unknowns, I could be wide of the mark entirely, but I dont think I am.
It's a shame that our talented youngsters are leaving on a free transfer.
He's 29. He shouldn't have been given the last contract.
Let's be honest here we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.
For all we know Jones contract extension could be because of insurance payments to utd from his injury. I can't find the piece I read about how clubs get millions for player injuries.
Pogbw maybe has asked to leave but he brings in money for adidas and UTD which may exceed any fee we get for him over a couple of years.
Jesse not so clear cut but he could have gone and we decided no.
Probably none of what I've said is true but we simply don't know about behind the scenes stuff
For all we know Jones contract extension could be because of insurance payments to utd from his injury. I can't find the piece I read about how clubs get millions for player injuries.
Pogbw maybe has asked to leave but he brings in money for adidas and UTD which may exceed any fee we get for him over a couple of years.
Jesse not so clear cut but he could have gone and we decided no.
Probably none of what I've said is true but we simply don't know about behind the scenes stuff
E. The fact we bought him back knowing he wasn’t good enough. Promised him game time and then didn’t play him at all, so he leaves on a free less than a year later. Moyes stated in the summer we didn’t even want to negotiate. The club could have easily got £10m for an asset we don’t even play. That’s a major reason why this club has failed for so long.
Imagine with our vast wealth we actually sold at the right time as well? Got rid of all those promising youngsters that never make it at the right time like Chelsea, City and Liverpool do. We might actually compete against those 3 then. We could easily spend another 50% each summer and free up the salary budget.
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Why blame any player or even his agent? All 3 sides try tondo what is best for them and nobody forcing club to offer contract and nobody is forcing player to accept it. Same goes other way around (cough Ronaldo cough). When player starts sulking and crying about transfer, i am on club's side. You signed and we (club) decide about your future.
would you pay millions for something that you could get for free 6 months later? Probably not...
I'm looking at things from the supporter POV.
I was commenting on opinion "looking from the player POV, he's right to get the best for himself". Well, agents and players acting like cnut to get better contract, playing time, or forcing a move is always justifiable from players point of view, don't you agree?? All those are just players "looking the best for themselves".
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Absolutely. But if you try to be a neutral ; when player is doing his part of contract and not making a mess (Lingard, Rojo, Sanchez, Bale) then you can't blame them. When player starts to disrespect club (and contract) like Ronaldo or Coutinho then you can blame player.
And then, as i said, you have Jones with "look at me, i am paid millions for doing nothing. feck you haters"
West Ham didn't want to pay that much and Lingard didn't want to move there.
Apart from that, yeah, why didn't we?
Thibk it stems from the fact that we’ve been notorious for letting players go for dirt cheap/free for years now, irrespective of how good or crap they are.
Look at how much the likes of Chelsea and Liverpool get for their rejects.
Edit: A large part of this is probably because we put them on wages way above their talents
A, C, D, but mainly F - He should've been gone instead of Ole telling him he was part of his plans. Then we could've got some decent money for him.
It's one of a number of annoying extended contracts he handed out when we didn't need to and are now dealing with it.
Not to mention, Herrera, Jessie, and Pogba where we could've got some decent money.
Jessie's a great kid but he sums up a lot of what is wrong about United right now. And the idea he's staying for football reasons just makes my blood boil.
Football reasons would be moving somewhere where you can actually play and that will give you a chance of going to the World Cup - surely every footballer's dream.
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Are people pissed because they were expecting Newcastle to launch bid of 20-50m for him in January.
I understand they have money but I doubt even they'd not overpay for an average player with only 6months contract remaining.
Just wish him luck and wait for a new face who'll come in his place.
I understand they have money but I doubt even they'd not overpay for an average player with only 6months contract remaining.
Just wish him luck and wait for a new face who'll come in his place.
Feck me, its all of them for me.
And then we get the "net spend" bollocks thrown at us instead of the actual spendings by the others.
F is Oles fault and the kid is nearly 30.
I think he's been lucky to have been kept but his days are numbered now surely. Whether he goes now or in the summer is much of a muchness. I don't see him playing much and at this point the money is much of muchness too
Has anyone considered that Lingard loves United and his first option would be to play for us? 4-2-2-2 might actually suit Lingard, and he can press.
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If that was true he would've signed the new contract presented to him.
His loan spell at West Ham suddenly made him a hot property. And instead of seizing on that moment and selling him for some decent monkey, we decided to take him back when he had no chance of getting in our team. Not the dumbest thing we’ve ever done but another to add to the long list.
Not to mention keeping Jessie is just holding back the youth that could take his place.
Yeh, as a neutral, can't blame them sitting on lucrative deal.
As a neutral, I wouldn't care if Pogba and his agent are mouthing off or shit on United also. Just like I don't care if Glazer own United. it's just how business work. Nor care that Ole was a United manager spending half billion with no trophy in 4 years.
But then I'm not a neutral.
Anyway, I'm glad Lingard will be gone. Just another player that will be remember for wrong reason.
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