Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance

[Bebestation]

I dont think you even understood what you are arguing against. The position of winning with a manager like Valverde is definitely harder that winning with a manager like SAF. I honestly cannot understand why it is that hard to admit this.

I mean I do not need to act like Valverde is shit, because he is not. But he is not on the level of Zidane and Simeone, not even close , while SAF was the best manager of the lot in the EPL with only Mou coming close.

Also great job dodging the Mou Real question, you are rather good at that I will give it to you

As you are at creating a question I don't care about.

I never once thought Messi couldn't deliver in La Liga.

He did it under Koeman so why would I believe he couldn't do it under a better manager and win a title for them


All I ever cared about is to see -

Just as much as Coutinho and Hazard went from dominating PL to doing nothing in La Liga, how players like Forlan were a different player in La Liga compared to how they played in the PL, how Veron was regarded a different level talent in Serie A before joining United etc etc etc ....

Would Messi look the same player out of La Liga, the same player out of Barcelona.

So far I have my answer..

This Valverde is a shitter manager than SAF never bothered me, because Messi is winning Balon'dor's with Koeman, a manager who was only Everton level in the PL, arguably even lower.

@Wolf1992

 

[Wolf1992]

As you are at creating a question I don't care about.

I never once thought Messi couldn't deliver in La Liga.

He did it under Koeman so why would I believe he couldn't do it under a better manager and win a title for them


All I ever cared about is to see -

Just as much as Coutinho and Hazard went from dominating PL to doing nothing in La Liga, how players like Forlan were a different player in La Liga compared to how they played in the PL, how Veron was regarded a different level talent in Serie A before joining United etc etc etc ....

Would Messi look the same player out of La Liga, the same player out of Barcelona.

So far I have my answer..

This Valverde is a shitter manager than SAF never bothered me, because Messi is winning Balon'dor's with Koeman, a manager who was only Everton level in the PL, arguably even lower.

@Wolf1992

Nobody rates players based on how many leagues have they played in, except you.

By that logic Paul Scholes is inferior to Kevin De Bruyne because the belgian was great in Germany and England, while Scholes only played in England, same can be said about SAF as he never managed outside of UK, unlike Ancelotti,Mourinho and Guardiola who were successful in more than one country.

About Koeman, it's obvious Barcelona hired him just for his status as Barca legend, not for his managerial tactics.

United hired Ole, a manager who relegated Cardiff and only won trophies in the norwegian league.... is that PL level? Or they hired Ole just because of his status as United legend?

 

[RedRonaldo]

I think Messi simply needs to play in a team which is built entirely around him. Tactically speaking, I think he and Barca is a perfect match, but perhaps not quite so outside of it. PSG hasn't quite manage to find a way yet, so maybe that's why he has been struggling.

But perhaps if PSG starting to play around him more, we would start to see the best of Messi more often.

 

[Bebestation]

Nobody rates players based on how many leagues have they played in, except you.

By that logic Paul Scholes is inferior to Kevin De Bruyne because the belgian was great in Germany and England, while Scholes only played in England, same can be said about SAF as he never managed outside of UK, unlike Ancelotti,Mourinho and Guardiola who were successful in more than one country.

About Koeman, it's obvious Barcelona hired him just for his status as Barca legend, not for his managerial tactics.

United hired Ole, a manager who relegated Cardiff and only won trophies in the norwegian league.... is that PL level? Or they hired Ole just because of his status as United legend?

And ultimately I don't care.

I'm not rating some random couple of players like Scholes vs De Bryune - ps, next time choose a player that atleast managed to win the CL vs scholes just like the other Messi fan boys said that I rated Zlatan higher when he had not won the elite stuff in football.

Ultimately I'm rating Ronaldo against Messi - you are obviously not going to care about Ronaldo's ability to do it in 5 different teams so I'm not sure why I should be listening to your opinion about no one in the world caring about players not adapting to leagues when I showed you an easy bunch of players that were good enough in one league but wasn't good in another.

You want another one? Do you remeber Shevchenko winning the Balon'dor? Do you remember how he was amazing in serie A? How he won the CL with Milan? Ah.. moves to Chelsea and he isn't looking as good as he did before. Shame.

Just bypassed my question away about Messi doing it or not doing it in another league because either you could not answer it, or because you realise yourself that he is failing in Ligue 1 already, not playing like the GOAT level everyone expects, blaming pochettino and Saudi Arabia whilst Ronaldo was doing it under ole Gunnar Solskjaer in a toughest league available whilst being 2 years older

Acting like every player who is half good can do it in all leagues.

I'm someone unlike you who will change their opinion from Ronaldo to Messi being the GOAT if he dominates and brings success like he did with Barcelona for another club in another league than La Liga.

Whilst you will never change from Messi to Ronaldo because you are more 'wowed' by the technical football Messi produces when I think that whilst he is magnificent, the technical football is easier for him to produce in la Liga and in particular for Barcelona with their core tactical DNA. Coutinho, Hazard could technically do it in the PL but not as well in La Liga. Vice Versa.

Some of us saw this with Messi for Argentina vs Messi for Barcelona and just wanted to see him at another club to see if we were right or we were wrong.

So far it's looking like I got my answer and your love for his technical football that produced has gone down a level in bloody Ligue 1

I'm done here, your not changing your mind aswell as your not answering my question whilst I'm not answering yours.

 

[Tyrion]

I'm glad people are finally talking about this.

 

[genardk]

And ultimately I don't care.

I'm not rating some random couple of players like Scholes vs De Bryune - ps, next time choose a player that atleast managed to win the CL vs scholes just like the other Messi fan boys said that I rated Zlatan higher when he had not won the elite stuff in football.

Ultimately I'm rating Ronaldo against Messi - you are obviously not going to care about Ronaldo's ability to do it in 5 different teams so I'm not sure why I should be listening to your opinion about no one in the world caring about players not adapting to leagues when I showed you an easy bunch of players that were good enough in one league but wasn't good in another.

You want another one? Do you remeber Shevchenko winning the Balon'dor? Do you remember how he was amazing in serie A? How he won the CL with Milan? Ah.. moves to Chelsea and he isn't looking as good as he did before. Shame.

Just bypassed my question away about Messi doing it or not doing it in another league because either you could not answer it, or because you realise yourself that he is failing in Ligue 1 already, not playing like the GOAT level everyone expects, blaming pochettino and Saudi Arabia whilst Ronaldo was doing it under ole Gunnar Solskjaer in a toughest league available whilst being 2 years older

Acting like every player who is half good can do it in all leagues.

I'm someone unlike you who will change their opinion from Ronaldo to Messi being the GOAT if he dominates and brings success like he did with Barcelona for another club in another league than La Liga.

Whilst you will never change from Messi to Ronaldo because you are more 'wowed' by the technical football Messi produces when I think that whilst he is magnificent, the technical football is easier for him to produce in la Liga and in particular for Barcelona with their core tactical DNA. Coutinho, Hazard could technically do it in the PL but not as well in La Liga. Vice Versa.

Some of us saw this with Messi for Argentina vs Messi for Barcelona and just wanted to see him at another club to see if we were right or we were wrong.

So far it's looking like I got my answer and your love for his technical football that produced has gone down a level in bloody Ligue 1

I'm done here, your not changing your mind aswell as your not answering my question whilst I'm not answering yours.

Messi vs Ronaldo has never been a proper comparison as Ronaldo has not proven himself as a world class playmaker, a consistently amazing passer/creator/ dribbler (other than his United years). They are equivalent in terms of goal scoring with Messi having more of the wow factor as he plays deep unlike Ronaldo. You are saying tactical DNA this tactical DNA that as if they are both poachers. That makes no sense. Wherever Ronaldo goes, he is the the center of attention for goal scoring where the whole team is designed to create chances for him. The adaptation of a poacher is much easier than that of a playmaker especially when surrounded by other greats such as Mbappe and Neymar who also enjoy being the center of attention. Is there anyone else at United competing against Ronaldo for attention & goals? Imagine Benzema acting in a competitive manner at Real against Ronaldo acting selfish or in his own interests (just like Ronaldo) half the time and see where Ronaldo would end up in terms of stats.

Messi had a slow start at PSG but was very unlucky with tons of 100% chances he created being missed by his teammates, hitting the bar 6-7 times etc. Yet, he has 6 goals and 5 assists in 16 games with PSG vs Ronaldo who has 13 goals and 2 assists with United in 19 games, very similar g+a stats not to mention one plays as a poacher camping in the penalty box playing for United where the whole team is focused on feeding him for goals just like at Juve & Real.

So, you believe Ronaldo brought success with Juve? As far as Juve fans are concerned, he escaped Juve in the last minute before his contract ended like a true hero that loves challenges after the epic collapse of Juve in three years. Signing him was probably one of the biggest mistakes Juve has ever made. United seriously regressed with him just like Juve despite having the 2nd most expensive squad in Europe as expected. Poaching, taking penalties (30% of his goals at Juve were penalties), tap-ins, yeah, he was an expert in those things, I will give you that. Playmaking, free-kicks, creativity, passing, dribbling, link-up plays, he was terrible in those aspects at Juve just like at United.

Also, Ronaldo still has to prove himself in an international tournament as he has zero MVP awards unlike Messi having four. Even, Zagorakis with Greece in EC, Forlan with Uruguay, Modric with Croatia in WCs were able to win MVP awards, surely Ronaldo must be capable of doing that with Portugal.

 

[Wolf1992]

And ultimately I don't care.

I'm not rating some random couple of players like Scholes vs De Bryune - ps, next time choose a player that atleast managed to win the CL vs scholes just like the other Messi fan boys said that I rated Zlatan higher when he had not won the elite stuff in football.

Ultimately I'm rating Ronaldo against Messi - you are obviously not going to care about Ronaldo's ability to do it in 5 different teams so I'm not sure why I should be listening to your opinion about no one in the world caring about players not adapting to leagues when I showed you an easy bunch of players that were good enough in one league but wasn't good in another.

You want another one? Do you remeber Shevchenko winning the Balon'dor? Do you remember how he was amazing in serie A? How he won the CL with Milan? Ah.. moves to Chelsea and he isn't looking as good as he did before. Shame.

Just bypassed my question away about Messi doing it or not doing it in another league because either you could not answer it, or because you realise yourself that he is failing in Ligue 1 already, not playing like the GOAT level everyone expects, blaming pochettino and Saudi Arabia whilst Ronaldo was doing it under ole Gunnar Solskjaer in a toughest league available whilst being 2 years older

Acting like every player who is half good can do it in all leagues.

I'm someone unlike you who will change their opinion from Ronaldo to Messi being the GOAT if he dominates and brings success like he did with Barcelona for another club in another league than La Liga.

Whilst you will never change from Messi to Ronaldo because you are more 'wowed' by the technical football Messi produces when I think that whilst he is magnificent, the technical football is easier for him to produce in la Liga and in particular for Barcelona with their core tactical DNA. Coutinho, Hazard could technically do it in the PL but not as well in La Liga. Vice Versa.

Some of us saw this with Messi for Argentina vs Messi for Barcelona and just wanted to see him at another club to see if we were right or we were wrong.

So far it's looking like I got my answer and your love for his technical football that produced has gone down a level in bloody Ligue 1

I'm done here, your not changing your mind aswell as your not answering my question whilst I'm not answering yours.

Messi has been underwhelming in Ligue 1, i have no issue accepting that...
Just the same way Tielemans was a flop in Ligue 1, and now he is doing great in PL, and many Man Utd fans want him in Old Trafford to replace Pogba.

Now answer my question.

Is SAF inferior to Jose Mourinho, Ancelotti,Pep Guardiola, and Klopp because he never managed outside of UK, and the others were successful in at least 2 different countries?

For a person who shits on Cristiano whenever he doesn't score for United(even gets called out by other users in the Cristiano thread), you sure change your mind very fast.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Is SAF inferior to Jose Mourinho, Ancelotti,Pep Guardiola, and Klopp because he never managed outside of UK, and the others were successful in at least 2 different countries?

To be fair, they aren't even comparable.

SAF - 49 trophied won

Pep - 31 trophies won
Mourinho - 25 trophies won
Ancelotti - 20 trophies won
Klopp - 9 trophies won

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

Buffon: "Ronaldo was a great teammate but I feel like Juventus lost their DNA with him.”

And Juventus went from a team that won 4 leagues and cup doubles in a row, including 2 UCL final appearances prior to him joining. And they immediately regressed when they had to make him a focal point. United regressed from last season's performances when Ronaldo joined as well, and were at 6th place (?) when Ole was sacked compared to 2nd position last season.

 

[Gehrman]

To be fair, they aren't even comparable.

SAF - 49 trophied won

Pep - 31 trophies won
Mourinho - 25 trophies won
Ancelotti - 20 trophies won
Klopp - 9 trophies won

But but the majority of those trophies came in his "comfort zone".

 

[Sviken]

I dont think you even understood what you are arguing against. The position of winning with a manager like Valverde is definitely harder that winning with a manager like SAF. I honestly cannot understand why it is that hard to admit this.

I mean I do not need to act like Valverde is shit, because he is not. But he is not on the level of Zidane and Simeone, not even close , while SAF was the best manager of the lot in the EPL with only Mou coming close.

Also great job dodging the Mou Real question, you are rather good at that I will give it to you

It's not that hard when you outspend the rest of the clubs in your league ten times to 1 and the only challenge you have is one other club and a very distant third club behind you two.

 

[Gehrman]

It's not that hard when you outspend the rest of the clubs in your league ten times to 1 and the only challenge you have is one other club and a very distant third club behind you two.

A bit like United post Fergie.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Are you guys really going to spend Christmas Day arguing about this? Wait, what am I saying, course you are.

 

[Daysleeper]

It's not that hard when you outspend the rest of the clubs in your league ten times to 1 and the only challenge you have is one other club and a very distant third club behind you two.

And yet that 1 other club dominated CL, Atletico went to multiple finals and Sevilla dominated Europa. For a few years there la liga was definitely more competitive than the epl

 

[Pickle85]

A bit like United post Fergie.

Comparing the PL to La Liga in terms of how competitive it is like this is disingenuous. Also, United hardly outspent all other clubs ten to one. Chelsea, City and even Liverpool have spent big money in the last five-ten years.

 

[Gehrman]

Comparing the PL to La Liga in terms of how competitive it is like this is disingenuous. Also, United hardly outspent all other clubs ten to one. Chelsea, City and even Liverpool have spent big money in the last five-ten years.

I think United has the biggest netspend behind City since Fergie retired or something like that of all the clubs in Europe. Turns out big signings can be flops and managers can feck it all up.

 

[Pickle85]

I think United has the biggest netspend behind City since Fergie retired or something like that of all the clubs in Europe. Turns out big signings can be flops and managers can feck it all up.

So it's nothing like post fergie years, then, as the post you quoted talked about outspending all other clubs ten to one and that the only challenge to the club was one other and a very distant third. United post fergie were scrapping for fourth much of the time, definitely not clearly out in front alongside one other team most of the time.

 

[Gehrman]

So it's nothing like post fergie years, then, as the post you quoted talked about outspending all other clubs ten to one and that the only challenge to the club was one other and a very distant third. United post fergie were scrapping for fourth much of the time, definitely not clearly out in front alongside one other team most of the time.

Yeah, but It was Messi who was the key player in winning those league titles under Valverde. Most of their big money signings were mediocre at best.

 

[Cal?]

Messi vs Ronaldo has never been a proper comparison as Ronaldo has not proven himself as a world class playmaker, a consistently amazing passer/creator/ dribbler (other than his United years). They are equivalent in terms of goal scoring with Messi having more of the wow factor as he plays deep unlike Ronaldo. You are saying tactical DNA this tactical DNA that as if they are both poachers. That makes no sense. Wherever Ronaldo goes, he is the the center of attention for goal scoring where the whole team is designed to create chances for him. The adaptation of a poacher is much easier than that of a playmaker especially when surrounded by other greats such as Mbappe and Neymar who also enjoy being the center of attention. Is there anyone else at United competing against Ronaldo for attention & goals? Imagine Benzema acting in a competitive manner at Real against Ronaldo acting selfish or in his own interests (just like Ronaldo) half the time and see where Ronaldo would end up in terms of stats.

Messi had a slow start at PSG but was very unlucky with tons of 100% chances he created being missed by his teammates, hitting the bar 6-7 times etc. Yet, he has 6 goals and 5 assists in 16 games with PSG vs Ronaldo who has 13 goals and 2 assists with United in 19 games, very similar g+a stats not to mention one plays as a poacher camping in the penalty box playing for United where the whole team is focused on feeding him for goals just like at Juve & Real.

So, you believe Ronaldo brought success with Juve? As far as Juve fans are concerned, he escaped Juve in the last minute before his contract ended like a true hero that loves challenges after the epic collapse of Juve in three years. Signing him was probably one of the biggest mistakes Juve has ever made. United seriously regressed with him just like Juve despite having the 2nd most expensive squad in Europe as expected. Poaching, taking penalties (30% of his goals at Juve were penalties), tap-ins, yeah, he was an expert in those things, I will give you that. Playmaking, free-kicks, creativity, passing, dribbling, link-up plays, he was terrible in those aspects at Juve just like at United.

Also, Ronaldo still has to prove himself in an international tournament as he has zero MVP awards unlike Messi having four. Even, Zagorakis with Greece in EC, Forlan with Uruguay, Modric with Croatia in WCs were able to win MVP awards, surely Ronaldo must be capable of doing that with Portugal.

Merry X'mas everyone

Yet again the Messi brigade never ceases to amaze.

We are discussing the greatest footballer of all time, not the greatest playmaker, passer, creator, dribbler, as far as I'm aware they both play football.

That wasn't the case with Messi with the likes of Zlatan, Villa, Henry all driven to play out wide because he wanted to the the center of attention for goal scoring?

So showhow it's tougher to play with WC team mates? and you go on to blame said WC team mates for missing all those chances he created?

They won a couple of Serie A only due to him, of course he brought success with Juve. If Juve fans don't like him due to the circumstances of his leaving, that has little to do with his ability on the pitch.

Again with the MVP awards and the Messi brigade, you lot would probably want football to be judged by judges like gymnastic or diving, perfect 10s for dribbling and all that, who cares about scoring.

 

[BalanceUnAutreJoint]

Messi had a slow start at PSG but was very unlucky with tons of 100% chances he created being missed by his teammates, hitting the bar 6-7 times etc. Yet, he has 6 goals and 5 assists in 16 games with PSG vs Ronaldo who has 13 goals and 2 assists with United in 19 games, very similar g+a stats not to mention one plays as a poacher camping in the penalty box playing for United where the whole team is focused on feeding him for goals just like at Juve & Real.

How about you look at it this way : Ronaldo is Man Utd's best starting attacker while Messi has been PSG's worst.

 

[Gehrman]

How about you look at it this way : Ronaldo is Man Utd's best starting attacker while Messi has been PSG's worst.

He's been better than Neymar and Icardi.. Mbappe is the best in the team though. They will be fecked when they lose him on a free

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

It was Messi who was the key player in winning those league titles under Valverde. Most of their big money signings were mediocre at best.

The team can't have been that bad. Messi had 20, 22, 27, and 14 assists in his last four seasons at Barcelona. Unless they were unmissable tap-ins, that means the players had some capacity to score.

That comes out to 0.40, 0.49, 0.76, and 0.30 assists per 90 minutes. In his current season at PSG he's at 0.34 assists per 90 minutes. You'd think PSG players would be more capable of scoring than whoever was left last year at Barcelona.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Messi was very unlucky hitting the bar 6-7 times

Messi's always hitting the bar.

At least 8 times in the 2014-2015 season.
At least 14 times in 2017-2018 season.
At least 9 times in the 2019-2020 season.
8 times last season, the most of any La Liga player.

Nothing unusual or unlucky about him hitting the bar a bunch of times this season. It's how he plays.

 

[OK_computer]

Messi has been terrible so far, here are some shocking stats (from Barcaforum):

SG data in Ligue 1 so far this season

Minutes played with Messi: 865
Minutes played without Messi: 845

Goal difference with Messi on the pitch: +3
Goal difference without Messi on the pitch: +19

Goals scored with Messi on the pitch: 11
Goals scored without Messi on the pitch: 28

Goals per 90 minutes with Messi on the pitch: 1.14
Goals per 90 minutes without Messi on the pitch: 2.98


PSG in Ligue 1 this season

Without Messi on the pitch

Troyes 2-1 W
Strasbourg 4-2 W
Brest 4-2 W
Reims 2-0 W
Clermont Foot 4-0 W
Lyon 1-0 W
Metz 2-1 W
Montpellier 2-0 W
Angers 2-1 W
Lille 2-0 W
Bordeaux 3-2 W

With Messi on the pitch

Lyon 1-1 D
Rennes 2-0 L
Marseille 0-0 D
Lille 1-0 L
Nantes 3-1 W
St. Etienne 3-1 W
Nice 0-0 D
Lens 1-1 D
Monaco 2-0 W
Lorient 1-1 D

At this point of their careers both Messi and CR are becomig burdens to their respective teams

 

[Gehrman]

The team can't have been that bad. Messi had 20, 22, 27, and 14 assists in his last four seasons at Barcelona. Unless they were unmissable tap-ins, that means the players had some capacity to score.

That comes out to 0.40, 0.49, 0.76, and 0.30 assists per 90 minutes. In his current season at PSG he's at 0.34 assists per 90 minutes. You'd think PSG players would be more capable of scoring than whoever was left last year at Barcelona.

Never said they were that bad. Just not very good compared to their transfer fee's and wages.

 

[genardk]

Merry X'mas everyone

Yet again the Messi brigade never ceases to amaze.

We are discussing the greatest footballer of all time, not the greatest playmaker, passer, creator, dribbler, as far as I'm aware they both play football.

That wasn't the case with Messi with the likes of Zlatan, Villa, Henry all driven to play out wide because he wanted to the the center of attention for goal scoring?

So showhow it's tougher to play with WC team mates? and you go on to blame said WC team mates for missing all those chances he created?

They won a couple of Serie A only due to him, of course he brought success with Juve. If Juve fans don't like him due to the circumstances of his leaving, that has little to do with his ability on the pitch.

Again with the MVP awards and the Messi brigade, you lot would probably want football to be judged by judges like gymnastic or diving, perfect 10s for dribbling and all that, who cares about scoring.

You surely know better than Juve fans

How can you be a GOAT when your skill set does not go beyond poaching, goal scoring ?

How can you be a GOAT when Messi easily matches you in terms of your biggest strength area, goal scoring?

How can you be a GOAT when compared with the complete package, Messi, who is still gonna be considered one of the greatest ever even without goal scoring due to his amazing playmaking & dribbling skills? Where would Ronaldo be without his goals? Probably in the reserve team

How can you be a GOAT when you give little joy to watch as you lack creativity whereas the other is one of the most exciting players ever? Even Zidane, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Platini, R9 etc. are much more fun to watch than Ronaldo (excluding his early United years). Probably the least fun to watch player in the GOAT conversation, can count 10s of other players who are much more exciting to watch..

How can you be a GOAT when Messi surpassed you in Ballon D'ors (7>5), Golden Shoe (6>4), iffhs best playmaker award (4>0), Pichichi (5>3 in 9 years), La Liga best player award (6>1), international tournament MVP (4>0)?

I bet people who think Ronaldo is the GOAT are mostly Portuguese fans and some United fans. Most Juve fans definitely think he is no more than a great poacher, definitely not GOAT material just like Gerd Muller and even most United fans think Messi is better than Ronaldo looking at the poll. Can you imagine Ronaldo leading in a Barca forum ?

 

[Gehrman]

Messi has been terrible so far, here are some shocking stats (from Barcaforum):

SG data in Ligue 1 so far this season

Minutes played with Messi: 865
Minutes played without Messi: 845

Goal difference with Messi on the pitch: +3
Goal difference without Messi on the pitch: +19

Goals scored with Messi on the pitch: 11
Goals scored without Messi on the pitch: 28

Goals per 90 minutes with Messi on the pitch: 1.14
Goals per 90 minutes without Messi on the pitch: 2.98


PSG in Ligue 1 this season

Without Messi on the pitch

Troyes 2-1 W
Strasbourg 4-2 W
Brest 4-2 W
Reims 2-0 W
Clermont Foot 4-0 W
Lyon 1-0 W
Metz 2-1 W
Montpellier 2-0 W
Angers 2-1 W
Lille 2-0 W
Bordeaux 3-2 W

With Messi on the pitch

Lyon 1-1 D
Rennes 2-0 L
Marseille 0-0 D
Lille 1-0 L
Nantes 3-1 W
St. Etienne 3-1 W
Nice 0-0 D
Lens 1-1 D
Monaco 2-0 W
Lorient 1-1 D

At this point of their careers both Messi and CR are becomig burdens to their respective teams

Certainly looks crap. I think you only blame the player though when their performance is crap. Messi's last performance was good, but di maria failed to score a tap in created by Messi.

 

[Gehrman]

You surely know better than Juve fans

How can you be a GOAT when your skill set does not go beyond poaching, goal scoring ?

How can you be a GOAT when Messi easily matches you in terms of your biggest strength area, goal scoring?

How can you be a GOAT when compared with the complete package, Messi, who is still gonna be considered one of the greatest ever even without goal scoring due to his amazing playmaking & dribbling skills? Where would Ronaldo be without his goals? Probably in the reserve team

How can you be a GOAT when you give little joy to watch as you lack creativity whereas the other is one of the most exciting players ever? Even Zidane, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Platini, R9 etc. are much more fun to watch than Ronaldo (excluding his early United years). Probably the least fun to watch player in the GOAT conversation, can count 10s of other players who are much more exciting to watch..

How can you be a GOAT when Messi surpassed you in Ballon D'ors (7>5), Golden Shoe (6>4), iffhs best playmaker award (4>0), Pichichi (5>3 in 9 years), La Liga best player award (6>1), international tournament MVP (4>0)?

I bet people who think Ronaldo is the GOAT are mostly Portuguese fans and some United fans. Most Juve fans definitely think he is no more than a great poacher, definitely not GOAT material just like Gerd Muller and even most United fans think Messi is better than Ronaldo looking at the poll. Can you imagine Ronaldo leading in a Barca forum ?

Ronaldo hasnt been a poacher his entire career. And even since he streamlined his game to be a poacher, he's scored more goals past his 30's than anyone else. Drop the recency bias. Over the span of his career he's been amazing. He's just not as good at the dribbling and playmaking stuff as Messi.

 

[KingCavani]

You surely know better than Juve fans

How can you be a GOAT when your skill set does not go beyond poaching, goal scoring ?

How can you be a GOAT when Messi easily matches you in terms of your biggest strength area, goal scoring?

How can you be a GOAT when compared with the complete package, Messi, who is still gonna be considered one of the greatest ever even without goal scoring due to his amazing playmaking & dribbling skills? Where would Ronaldo be without his goals? Probably in the reserve team

How can you be a GOAT when you give little joy to watch as you lack creativity whereas the other is one of the most exciting players ever? Even Zidane, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Platini, R9 etc. are much more fun to watch than Ronaldo (excluding his early United years). Probably the least fun to watch player in the GOAT conversation, can count 10s of other players who are much more exciting to watch..

How can you be a GOAT when Messi surpassed you in Ballon D'ors (7>5), Golden Shoe (6>4), iffhs best playmaker award (4>0), Pichichi (5>3 in 9 years), La Liga best player award (6>1), international tournament MVP (4>0)?

I bet people who think Ronaldo is the GOAT are mostly Portuguese fans and some United fans. Most Juve fans definitely think he is no more than a great poacher, definitely not GOAT material just like Gerd Muller and even most United fans think Messi is better than Ronaldo looking at the poll. Can you imagine Ronaldo leading in a Barca forum ?

What an embarrassment of a post this is.

 

[genardk]

Ronaldo hasnt been a poacher his entire career. And even since he streamlined his game to be a poacher, he's scored more goals past his 30's than anyone else. Drop the recency bias. Over the span of his career he's been amazing. He's just not as good at the dribbling and playmaking stuff as Messi.

I said Ronaldo was an exciting player to watch in his United years. Ronaldo had to make sacrifices, the trade-off for him was between continuing to be an exciting/creative player vs goal scoring. He chose the latter one and decided to leave his creativity on the table to maximize his goal scoring stats in the last 10 years or so. Messi never had to sacrifice anything. From the start, he was a world class playmaker, dribbler, goal scorer, there was no trade-off for him. That alone is enough proof that Ronaldo is a much inferior player without even comparing their trophies, individual awards etc.

 

[Pickle85]

You surely know better than Juve fans

How can you be a GOAT when your skill set does not go beyond poaching, goal scoring ?

How can you be a GOAT when Messi easily matches you in terms of your biggest strength area, goal scoring?

How can you be a GOAT when compared with the complete package, Messi, who is still gonna be considered one of the greatest ever even without goal scoring due to his amazing playmaking & dribbling skills? Where would Ronaldo be without his goals? Probably in the reserve team

How can you be a GOAT when you give little joy to watch as you lack creativity whereas the other is one of the most exciting players ever? Even Zidane, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Platini, R9 etc. are much more fun to watch than Ronaldo (excluding his early United years). Probably the least fun to watch player in the GOAT conversation, can count 10s of other players who are much more exciting to watch..

How can you be a GOAT when Messi surpassed you in Ballon D'ors (7>5), Golden Shoe (6>4), iffhs best playmaker award (4>0), Pichichi (5>3 in 9 years), La Liga best player award (6>1), international tournament MVP (4>0)?

I bet people who think Ronaldo is the GOAT are mostly Portuguese fans and some United fans. Most Juve fans definitely think he is no more than a great poacher, definitely not GOAT material just like Gerd Muller and even most United fans think Messi is better than Ronaldo looking at the poll. Can you imagine Ronaldo leading in a Barca forum ?

This post is absolutely laughable

 

[Gehrman]

Merry X'mas everyone

Yet again the Messi brigade never ceases to amaze.

We are discussing the greatest footballer of all time, not the greatest playmaker, passer, creator, dribbler, as far as I'm aware they both play football.

That wasn't the case with Messi with the likes of Zlatan, Villa, Henry all driven to play out wide because he wanted to the the center of attention for goal scoring?

So showhow it's tougher to play with WC team mates? and you go on to blame said WC team mates for missing all those chances he created?

They won a couple of Serie A only due to him, of course he brought success with Juve. If Juve fans don't like him due to the circumstances of his leaving, that has little to do with his ability on the pitch.

Again with the MVP awards and the Messi brigade, you lot would probably want football to be judged by judges like gymnastic or diving, perfect 10s for dribbling and all that, who cares about scoring.

Center of attention? He scored 91 goals as a false nr 9. Ibra, villa, and zlatan were shunted because Messi was one of the best goalscorers ever but at the same time he was the master of setting up his teammates. Just watch Messi's performance in the 5-0 demolition of real madrid.

And obviously juve were never going to win league without Ronaldo despite winning 7 in a row.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Surely this is the one day of the year you can all set aside your differences?

 

[Gehrman]

Surely this is the one day of the year you can all set aside your differences?

I dont believe in Santa.

 

[Morty_]

You surely know better than Juve fans

How can you be a GOAT when your skill set does not go beyond poaching, goal scoring ?

This is just plain dumb, and surely you know that(?).

If you think Ronaldo, for the majority of his career, was just a poacher, you haven't actually watched him outside of Juventus.
Just because he has essentially been a poacher the last few years, doesn't mean it was always like that, not remotely.

In his prime, Ronaldo was a terrific counter-attack player who was very dangerous 1v1, could threaten from range, a good crosser of the ball, solid passer, in addition to being a supreme goal poacher.

One can say he was always lacking as a playmaker compared to Messi, but that didn't make him one-dimensional.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

This thread is hilarious, these Messi fanboys never stop making a tit of themselves.

 

[Daysleeper]

How about you look at it this way : Ronaldo is Man Utd's best starting attacker while Messi has been PSG's worst.

and yet Ronaldo gets benched against the likes of Chelsea for being a tactical liability

 

[The Corinthian]

This thread is hilarious, these Messi fanboys never stop making a tit of themselves.

They’re proper rabid.

 

[BalanceUnAutreJoint]

and yet Ronaldo gets benched against the likes of Chelsea for being a tactical liability

By an interim manager who's already been replaced.
Also it was never specified why he benched him no?

 

[Daysleeper]

By an interim manager who's already been replaced.
Also it was never specified why he benched him no?

Yes but united did look better as opposed to when Ronaldo came on, for that match in particular anyway