Chica was a one trick pony. He could only play 1 position and once defenders learnt his tricks he became ineffective. There is more in this guy locker then goal poaching
Julian Alvarez / signed for city / loaned back
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Youve completely missed the context. The guy asked for an example of a young player from a minor league who came straight in and led the line for United. There was no reference to how highly we do or dont rate the respective player.
Aguero and Sterling are both much shorter than a centre back too, as are Owen, Salah, Mane and a fair whack of other strikers who arent target men. Youre beating the drum for irational heightism now. Did your wife run off with a circus midget or something?
I doubt anyone watched him regularly (except maybe couple of posters here) to make informed post on him. I doubt we are looking at him to make instant impact, if anything this looks like one to sign for the future like so many clubs have done. 21 is not old either.
Also going by transfermarkt, he has played 5763 mins which is around 64 full games, he has 61 goals + assists in those games, looks good for 21 year old player.
Anyways when most didn't watch him play, it's better to wait and see, go with what club scouts think about him who would have watched so many games.
So were quite a few forwards that I have seen. Small but wiry.
I said that I can't think of any main striker who made the immediate jump from River Plate to United. You're correct in mentioning Chica. However things need to be taken into context as well
A- Football had changed since then. Teams are defending deep and in numbers making it harder for strikers to do well
B- Hernandez was 23 when he joined United as opposed to Alvarez (21).
C- Hernandez limited skillset and natural eye for goal made it impossible to play him elsewhere. That's not the case with Alvarez
D- Hernandez didn't had to contend with Ronaldo, Greenwood and Cavani
Just a small comment to point B:
Chicharito (22 years 1 month) was 2 months older than Alvarez (21 years 11 months) is now when we signed him, and we signed him directly after a WC where he stood out for Mexico.
I thought that signing was risky and strange too, for 6M…
Same height as Jermaine Defoe. He didn’t do too badly.
Pair him with Ronnie, and I think it could be quite effective. Ronnie as the focal point and him buzzing around him.
Pair him with Ronnie, and I think it could be quite effective. Ronnie as the focal point and him buzzing around him.
I thought he was 23. My mistake then.
I don't see these sort of deals as risky at all. Sure there is a higher failure rate due to the gap between SA football and EPL + the cultural difference. Another aspect that frustrates even the best of scouts is how random these signings can be. For example Inter had some of the finest South American scouts in the world back in the day and they were very positive that out of their 1995 bulk buying signings (Carlos, Zanetti, Caio and Rambert), the last name was the biggest star. Turned out that the latest two (Caio was the most expensive and Rambert the most rated) failed big time while Zanetti and Roberto Carlos became WC players.
However that doesn't really matter. South American talent is usually come cheap (salary & fee) which means that if they fail then we'll probably recoup the money by selling them or loaning them across the world. While there's a higher failure rate due to the gap between the two leagues and culture difference, it takes just 1 successful talent to make it worth while.
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Another terrible source 
I want a proper tasty source.
I want a proper tasty source.I'm pretty sure we signed him before the world cup, expect the price would have gone up if we'd done it afterwards
Never know, he might just be the next aguero, Suarez or Teves, I like this.
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despite his goals, lastly Vs weaker teams, Chelsea find they are better off without lukaku and he’s starting to realise it.
By tall strikers we mean the traditional CF, or target man, I really think the best teams in competitive league are better off without them in the modern world. Because your entire game has to br built around getting them to score, great they score 20-30 goals a season, but when they get marked out the game you’re fecked.
By tall strikers we mean the traditional CF, or target man, I really think the best teams in competitive league are better off without them in the modern world. Because your entire game has to br built around getting them to score, great they score 20-30 goals a season, but when they get marked out the game you’re fecked.
Vickery is one of the journalists I most rate for judging a player. Very good at doing it in the South American context and then in the context of European football. He’s occasionally got it wrong, but far most often he’s right over the 15 years I’ve listened to him. If he thinks Alvarez is that good, it’s a pretty safe bet he is.
Surely we’re due a good Argentinean at United? With the exception of Romero, they either underwhelm or they turncoat us.
Moises Caciedo? Almost the exact same quotes from the exact same guy. Replace Argentina with South America and I think it’s word for word. God bless the work.
He also said he didn't think he was read for united if I remember correctly.
Said the same about Pellestri.
25M is huge money for him
Oh yeah i might be getting mixed up with the two actually.
I’m fine with this but could we please get a defensive midfielder in as well.
Alvarez, Haaland, Elanga, etc.....but who.get these guys service?
Also, it’s a new year/cycle so technically he could really actually be “the best thing to …since…” without the journo contradicting himself.
that tour of england has made it quite obvious they’re just using our name to make noise in europe.
If we were definitely wanting him we’d never let it get to that stage.
Time will tell but this smells of Caicedo all over again
If we were definitely wanting him we’d never let it get to that stage.
Time will tell but this smells of Caicedo all over again
Bruno, Sancho, Rashy, Shaw, Greenwood, Pogba (if he stays) etc. There’s plenty of excellent service providers in this squad.
Bruno and Sancho literally averages 15+ assists a season each..
What is 25m dollars in sterling?
£18.5m
Non related but he would actually be a class signing for Brighton if he’d go there. I’m sure they can pay him a lot and he’d be starting every game even if he’s not the finished article. Stick a release clause in there. It’s not that crazy of a shout
I’m glad you didn’t put it in him, more on him.About this
What if he's like Scottie Pippen and gains six inches in height this year after we buy him. Can we get our money back.
Yeah, I've stretched the limits of my photoshopping skills already, I'm afraid.
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Rudy reliable?
I don't see why we'd need this guy. Our Midfield is the biggest issue by far
Man doesn’t even have a blue tick blud
If we were interested it would presumably be because both Martial & Cavani will be gone by the end of the summer (or sooner) and Ronaldo will be a 37 year old past-his-best poacher with little time here left. It's not that much of a leap to think we'll need to improve in that position as well.
It's not like it's either/or and that signing this guy would take preference over signing a midfielder. But he could be available in January while the midfielder we want isn't.
Or we could not be going for this guy at all.
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