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D. Grayson

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The weird emotional investment some posters have for the "Real Madrid legend" is mind blogging, if he was playing well no one would care that he's not scoring goals, whoever since by all accounts he is one of our worst performers in almost every metric the criticism he gets is justified.

Also given that he left the club after throwing up a stink, I feel no obligation to show any loyalty to this guy and will judge him the same way I would any other new signing to the club.
 

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Sorry mate, Greenwood is a junior player who has achieved the square root for nothing in his career. You're talking about a top five player to have ever played the game.
It’s the kind of attitude that kills team morale though. Ronaldo is allowed special treatment? The history of football (and sport in general) is full of stories of disruptive older players that have achieved everything but at that point in their careers aren’t as good as they once were but they can’t accept it. Ronaldo can follow the pattern or he can be mature and accept his decline gracefully. I can only see it going one way unfortunately.
 

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That's irrelevant to his current performances. He is one of the best players of all time, yes. But he's not even one of the best players in the epl this season and should be judged as such.

Against Brentford:
0 Chances Created
0 Shots on Target
0 Take ons completed
21 passes completed out of 29 attempted.
Lost Possession 8 times.
1 Strop for being being subbed off after another shit game.
FBREF stats
0 Goals
0 Assists
0.0 xA
3 Shots
0 Shots on Target
34 Touches
6 Presses
0.0 xA
26 Carries (5 Progressive)
0 Dribbles attempted

Ivan Toney, In the same game.
1 Goals
0 Assists
0.5 xA
4 Shots
2 Shots on Target
42 Touches
17 Presses
20 Carries (3 Progressive)
1 Dribble attempted (0 successful)

Bear in mind United had more possession than Brentford. So we find ourselves, not for the first time this season, with reasonable evidence that we’d have been better off with the striker from the relegation threatened opposition playing for us up front.

And now for some stats from an actual top striker (even though he’s miles below his best form). Harry Kane, against Leicester.

1 Goal
1 Assist
0.4 xA
10 Shots
2 Shots on Target
40 Touches
18 Presses
33 Carries (6 Progressive)
5 Dribbles attempted (2 successful)
 

troylocker

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0 Goals
0 Assists
0.0 xA
3 Shots
0 Shots on Target
34 Touches
6 Presses
0.0 xA
26 Carries (5 Progressive)
0 Dribbles attempted

Ivan Toney, In the same game.
1 Goals
0 Assists
0.5 xA
4 Shots
2 Shots on Target
42 Touches
17 Presses
20 Carries (3 Progressive)
1 Dribble attempted (0 successful)

Bear in mind United had more possession than Brentford. So we find ourselves, not for the first time this season, with reasonable evidence that we’d have been better off with the striker from the relegation threatened opposition playing for us up front.

And now for some stats from an actual top striker (even though he’s miles below his best form). Harry Kane, against Leicester.

1 Goal
1 Assist
0.4 xA
10 Shots
2 Shots on Target
40 Touches
18 Presses
33 Carries (6 Progressive)
5 Dribbles attempted (2 successful)
There is 54 players with an npxG (non penalty expected goals) of 3 goals or more so far in the PL this season.
13 of them has a lower convertionrate than Ronaldo (underperforming his npxG by 30%), putting him in the bottom 25% when it comes to quality of finishing in the PL this season.

"Give him half a chance and he'll score......"
 

Ondrej

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I don't really understand where all this hate is coming from I guess a lot of people here expected Ronaldo to carry the corpses on our team to a treble or something but have to realize real life is sadly not a movie and there's more to a good team than just having a great striker.
 

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Agree. For this to happen we would need to sign Haaland, and we all know that's impossible. Ronnie must stay, especially bearing in mind that we desperately need to sign players who will hopefully improve our midfield and defense.
I think we have to move both Cavani and Ronaldo at the end of this season. Build the attack around Greenwood/Rashford/Sancho. That can not happen with Ronaldo up top waiting to be served, he holds back the development of the team while not making us better in the moment. Yesterday illustrated the impossibility of keeping him in a lesser role, put him on the bench and it will be just constant disruption and a media frenzy.

Best for both parties and an added joy is all the Ronaldo fan boys following him to his new team.
 

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This conversation is ridiculous. We have one of the worlds best ever players ever at our club and people are calling him average. He scored 36 goals last season, aged 36, in a team that struggled by it's own standards. The best anyone at our club has done since SAF left is about half that. We are having an exceptionally poor season, despite that he's score 14 goals for us already.
 

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I don't really understand where all this hate is coming from I guess a lot of people here expected Ronaldo to carry the corpses on our team to a treble or something but have to realize real life is sadly not a movie and there's more to a good team than just having a great striker.
Nobody expected him to do anything...that’s the issue...a lot of people knew that bringing him back was a sentimental and emotional decision when the team was moving in another direction completely. It’s simple...there is at least enough evidence to establish a valid opinion that Ronaldo is just not very good anymore and his goals predominantly come as a result of him becoming the focal point of the teams attack and they do not in any way improve the overall potency or general attacking ability of the team and his presence maybe even detracts from the teams performance as a whole. That’s a valid opinion and Troylocker and others have supported that opinion very clearly. It may not be everyone’s view but it is at least a view that has factual weight behind it.

That is not an agenda, or Ronaldo hating, that is just a reasonable opinion. However, his Instagram fans don’t like anything said about him and it is those posters that categorise any negative opinion as hatred. It’s not. Grow up.
 

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Yeah they want to win. Do they need to win. Inside. Is it a desire. Everyone likes winning. Not everyone will break their backs to do it. People laud Keane but that is what made him so special. He didn't want to win. He needed to win.

Huge difference/
Keane was consistently the best player on the pitch. Ronnie at 36 is pretty dreadfull all around, but if he poaches a goal everyone will talk about how awesome he is and all that. He's no longer good enough to be petulant.
 

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Keane was consistently the best player on the pitch. Ronnie at 36 is pretty dreadfull all around, but if he poaches a goal everyone will talk about how awesome he is and all that. He's no longer good enough to be petulant.
Forgot about his brace against Atalanta already?

People have short memories man.
 

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Ronaldo - "For me, the most important thing is the mentality. For you to be professional, help the team, the right mentality, self-thought, positive"

Also Ronaldo, when subbed, in a game leading 2-0 with 15mins to go, coming back from injury, with another important game 3 days later - throws hissy fit, has to be calmed down by the coach like a daddy calming down a petulant toddler.

Oh Ronnie :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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I don't know why people always have to be so polemic about him. He's not a massive problem for the club and he's also not been the saviour some hoped.

We would be out of the Champions League without him though. It's clear he's better suited to that competition at the moment.
 

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What? I said I don't care about Ronaldo being angry at being substituted. Another poster said "imagine if that was Greenwood"
Exactly, he said imagine Greenwood did that and you replied with a sensible comment. So I was just making sure you took the time to imagine the scenario that didn’t happen and respond with appropriate anger as if it did happen.
 

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There is 54 players with an npxG (non penalty expected goals) of 3 goals or more so far in the PL this season.
13 of them has a lower convertionrate than Ronaldo (underperforming his npxG by 30%), putting him in the bottom 25% when it comes to quality of finishing in the PL this season.

"Give him half a chance and he'll score......"
Yikes. Add that to his general play and it’s not the best sight in the world.
 

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I don't know why people always have to be so polemic about him. He's not a massive problem for the club and he's also not been the saviour some hoped.

We would be out of the Champions League without him though. It's clear he's better suited to that competition at the moment.
Completely agree with this. He isn’t a problem, and we knew he’s prone to a strop every now and again because he wants to win. You can’t influence a game from the bench hence his reaction at coming off knowing that he couldn’t do any more at that point if the team were to concede like against Villa.

He’s been fine this season, he’s dug us out at times and he’s been shit at times. For a soon to be 37 year old he’s doing alright.
 

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I don't know why people always have to be so polemic about him. He's not a massive problem for the club and he's also not been the saviour some hoped.

We would be out of the Champions League without him though. It's clear he's better suited to that competition at the moment.
He’d be a useful member of the squad if we kept him for CL and cup games, or as an impact sub in the league. The problem is we signed him when we really should have signed a striker who’s capable of more than a fringe role like that. We already had one 35 year old former world class striker anyway. Having two of them in our squad (one of whom is 37 soon!) at once just seems stupid.

Plus we saw from his sulkiness last night that keeping a happy squad while marginalising Ronaldo is going to be an absolute nightmare.
 

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Completely agree with this. He isn’t a problem, and we knew he’s prone to a strop every now and again because he wants to win. You can’t influence a game from the bench hence his reaction at coming off knowing that he couldn’t do any more at that point if the team were to concede like against Villa.

He’s been fine this season, he’s dug us out at times and he’s been shit at times. For a soon to be 37 year old he’s doing alright.
He could have looked pleased with Rashfords goal.
 

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People on here are so weird. Every player bar DDG was average 1st half and Ronaldo was actually decent for the second half, great movement for the 1st goal and obviously played Bruno through for the second. So what if he wanted to stay on? He wants to score goals, surely every striker worth their salt is the same. Guy's got 14 goals and 3 assists and it's Jan and is the reason we are in the CL, people need to chill.
 

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The issue isn't him being subbed, I don't care. I just don't see his reaction/being disappointed as this mega issue people are making it out to be. I like seeing him disappointed, will motivate him.
Its agenda FC. I liked his reaction actually, he was angry, not petulant. If you watch every time he gets subbed, he never sits on the bench anyway. He sat on the steps and was angry. I want to see him like that, next game he knows he has to up his game because he can be subbed off too.

It was a phase of the game where he could get a goal for himself, Ralf said no, this is for the team.

As a player, he would be angry for 20 mins then after he will understand it. No top player likes to be subbed, look at the reaction of Salah if he is subbed off. Its the top players mentality, always thinking you can influence the game, think you are better than the rest.
 

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I don't really understand where all this hate is coming from I guess a lot of people here expected Ronaldo to carry the corpses on our team to a treble or something but have to realize real life is sadly not a movie and there's more to a good team than just having a great striker.
I don't think there's much hate for Ronaldo here, but there is a lot of critisism though. Not the same thing and justified in my book.

I'm extremely frustrated with the club spending seasons trying to go in one direction, and then, on impulse, buys a 36 year old with an ego bigger than most top clubs, on record high wages, that means the club has to completely change direction and how we play over night, and the whole team must to adapt, create and work for him. It is so short sighted and so weak club management that it blows the scale. It's definitely not on Ronaldo alone, but among our players, stats and numbers points the hardest on him being the biggest talisman for our poor football this season. We had taken small steps in a positive direction multiple seasons in a row, and now we're suddenly back to square 1 again.

The board and club management making the transfer and our managers insisting on playing him week and week out must obivously take just as much blame.

Those who thought a 36/37 year old Ronaldo would carry us to anything, are deluded Ronaldo fanatics, nothing else.
 

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FBREF stats
0 Goals
0 Assists
0.0 xA
3 Shots
0 Shots on Target
34 Touches
6 Presses
0.0 xA
26 Carries (5 Progressive)
0 Dribbles attempted

Ivan Toney, In the same game.
1 Goals
0 Assists
0.5 xA
4 Shots
2 Shots on Target
42 Touches
17 Presses
20 Carries (3 Progressive)
1 Dribble attempted (0 successful)

Bear in mind United had more possession than Brentford. So we find ourselves, not for the first time this season, with reasonable evidence that we’d have been better off with the striker from the relegation threatened opposition playing for us up front.

And now for some stats from an actual top striker (even though he’s miles below his best form). Harry Kane, against Leicester.

1 Goal
1 Assist
0.4 xA
10 Shots
2 Shots on Target
40 Touches
18 Presses
33 Carries (6 Progressive)
5 Dribbles attempted (2 successful)
Interesting. Let's expand this, shall we? PL stats --

Cavani has 2 goals, 0 assists in 528 minutes, therefore didn't score or assist in several games => worse performer than Ivan Toney
Rashford has 3 goals, 1 assist in 620 minutes, therefore didn't score or assist in several games => worse performer than Ivan Toney
Greenwood has 5 goals, 1 assist in 1199 minutes, getting closer! but still didn't score/assist in many games => worse performer than Ivan Toney
Bruno Fernandez has 7 goals, 5 assists in 1686 minutes, getting closer! looking for scores/assists in 19 games. Didn't happen => worse performer than Ivan Toney.
Finally Ronaldo has 8 goals and 3 assists in 1369 minutes, getting closer! looking for scores/assists vs 15 games. Didn't happen=> worse performer than Ivan Toney
Mohammed Salah has 16 goals and 9 assists in 1784 minutes. FINALLY! Someone who can match Ivan Toney!!!!!! Just goes to show that it is possible to be as good as Ivan Toney!

[Maybe we should compare Ivan Toney's performance to Ivan Toney's performance......20 PL (1800 minutes) appearances showing 5 goals and 2 assists! Oh no! Evan Ivan Toney can't live up to Ivan Toney's performance!]
 

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Interesting. Let's expand this, shall we? PL stats --

Cavani has 2 goals, 0 assists in 528 minutes, therefore didn't score or assist in several games => worse performer than Ivan Toney
Rashford has 3 goals, 1 assist in 620 minutes, therefore didn't score or assist in several games => worse performer than Ivan Toney
Greenwood has 5 goals, 1 assist in 1199 minutes, getting closer! but still didn't score/assist in many games => worse performer than Ivan Toney
Bruno Fernandez has 7 goals, 5 assists in 1686 minutes, getting closer! looking for scores/assists in 19 games. Didn't happen => worse performer than Ivan Toney.
Finally Ronaldo has 8 goals and 3 assists in 1369 minutes, getting closer! looking for scores/assists vs 15 games. Didn't happen=> worse performer than Ivan Toney
Mohammed Salah has 16 goals and 9 assists in 1784 minutes. FINALLY! Someone who can match Ivan Toney!!!!!! Just goes to show that it is possible to be as good as Ivan Toney!

[Maybe we should compare Ivan Toney's performance to Ivan Toney's performance......20 PL (1800 minutes) appearances showing 5 goals and 2 assists! Oh no! Evan Ivan Toney can't live up to Ivan Toney's performance!]
You seem to gave gone to a frankly bizarre amount of work to make a terrible point. Well done, I suppose.

Now try reading my post again, without focussing on goals and assists alone.
 

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I don't think there's much hate for Ronaldo here, but there is a lot of critisism though. Not the same thing and justified in my book.

I'm extremely frustrated with the club spending seasons trying to go in one direction, and then, on impulse, buys a 36 year old with an ego bigger than most top clubs, on record high wages, that means the club has to completely change direction and how we play over night, and the whole team must to adapt, create and work for him. It is so short sighted and so weak club management that it blows the scale. It's definitely not on Ronaldo alone, but among our players, stats and numbers points the hardest on him being the biggest talisman for our poor football this season. We had taken small steps in a positive direction multiple seasons in a row, and now we're suddenly back to square 1 again.

The board and club management making the transfer and our managers insisting on playing him week and week out must obivously take just as much blame.

Those who thought a 36/37 year old Ronaldo would carry us to anything, are deluded Ronaldo fanatics, nothing else.
I dont know its probably down to him being Seria A topscorer last season. But i agree. I think he's a conundrum though at this age. Like we are alll waiting for him to be finished. I dont believe he is but we just cant build around this version.
 

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You seem to gave gone to a frankly bizarre amount of work to make a terrible point. Well done, I suppose.
It was a ridiculous amount of work for 1st thing in the morning, I agree, but your post warrented it. What was your point anyway? Lies, damned lies and statistics?
 

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I don't know why people always have to be so polemic about him. He's not a massive problem for the club and he's also not been the saviour some hoped.

We would be out of the Champions League without him though. It's clear he's better suited to that competition at the moment.
I guess that's socialmedia for you in 2022. Funny though that you directly after your first sentence state four of your opinions on him as facts.....
 

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I don't really understand where all this hate is coming from I guess a lot of people here expected Ronaldo to carry the corpses on our team to a treble or something but have to realize real life is sadly not a movie and there's more to a good team than just having a great striker.
Don’t think it’s ‘hate’ at all - I certainly don’t hate him. Just think he should be judged in the same way we would judge any other player.

And I find it bizarre given he left in a huff to give his best years elsewhere, comes back to an absolute fanfare, then strops if he’s not left on to finally grab himself a headline when the team are actually in a good position to get the win. That should be the only headline he, or any other player who pulls on the shirt, should care about.

quick question (and it ain’t rhetorical)..

Do you think he’d be happier if we lost 3-2 yet he scored the 2 - or we won 3-2 with Rashford bagging the brace and he was subbed off without a goal himself like last night?

It’s a tough call though I have my own
 

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I wonder if this goes hand in hand with the thing about not all players responding to him positively, rather than thinking "I can do that". Maybe Mason was thinking "I'm not getting a shot at number 9 because of this nobber?"

We don't know what's going on in his head, really.
Yeah that's partly I was thinking I could be, or perhaps "why should I listen to this guy about teamwork when he doesn't seem to give a shit about it himself"

Impressionable youngsters? He’s not 6 years old, I’m sure Greenwood knows what would happen if he acted like that. In 15 years time after winning everything in the game he gets subbed off in the 75th minute then he might be entitled to act that way, until then, he knows his arse would be back in the reserves before the game even ended
My point isn't just about acting like a little prick when subbed it's about Ronaldo as a role model in general. Mason doesn't need to be 6 years old to pick up bad habits, especially when it's from someone with such a big presence in the dressing room.
 

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Sonya, tough times atm, but we need you to stay strong.

Remember, the night is darkest just before the dawn (or some shit like that).
Probably reached the 10 post per day maximum for newbies. That is still a thing, right? Just get her to interact and have your peace after 10 posts.
 

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Love this, as if his chest pass didn't set up Bruno for the second goal!
His chest pass was a pre assist. If Bruno were to shoot it would have counted as a chance created.

That's beside the point. In 70+ mins all he contributed of note was a chest pass. From a player who is supposed to be our most dangerous attacking threat. The player we have built our team around, the player who is on 400k+ per week, the player we have sacrificed style of play for. The player most people claim to be carrying us this season, the player who can't be subbed off or dropped without acting like the world is ending.

All for a chest pass to Bruno.

:lol: :lol:
 

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Sorry mate, Greenwood is a junior player who has achieved the square root for nothing in his career. You're talking about a top five player to have ever played the game.
Might as well bring Scholes back from retirement and drop Mctominay then. Ronaldo is not in the top 10 best players in the EPL this season, every time you criticise Ronaldo there's always at least one fanboy that mentions his previous years as a player as if that has any relationship with his current performances.

Greenwood has comfortably played better and been more of a threat in the last 6-7 games than Ronaldo has and therefore deserves to start over Ronaldo, regardless of how many goals Ronaldo has scored in his career or what he has achieved.

Just because the player is an all time great doesn't give him the right to stink out the place every week and not have his starting place under threat.

His last 7 performances have been absolutely average, shit and nowhere near the Ronaldo of old. If you can't admit that you're doing a disservice to how good Ronaldo was in his prime.
 
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