Rashford has been allowed to get into bad habits, but he is more than capable of pressing.
He's just simply never been coached properly how to do it.
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He's just simply never been coached properly how to do it.
It genuinely makes me laugh when people suggest a player can't press. I could teach someone who has never kicked a ball in their life how to press. They might not be amazing at it if they are required to tackle etc but pressing is quite literally running in the correct arcs at the correct speed under some sort of coordinated effort with your teammates.
Players might not be willing to press or not do what they are told but every player can press if they are willing to take simple instruction.
Yes. Just check the heat maps, they capture actual movements and not the starting line ups media outlets assume.
By the way, Terzic and Favre both played Reus on the right to make room for Sancho on the left.
If that website claims he played mostly on the right or centrally, you should stop following them.
It's possible. We haven't seen it so far, but if he does up his game in this regard he will become a complete player. He isn't yet.
And yes of course every player can press. But some have better awareness of the game than others and are therefore more effective. Moments like that Sancho goal against Chelsea were Rashford managed to stay offside for the whole run make me doubt his awareness of what's happening on the pitch.
He just need to look at how Cavani, Fred, McTom, and Bruno pressing all these years. No need any coaching to do that. It's all depend on his willingness to do it or not.
Pretty much.
Some players will obviously be more effective than others. The likes of Tevez, Park Ji Sung will naturally be able to press better than Berbatov for instance.
Rashford does seem to gas a little quicker than others, but EFFECTIVE pressing is way more important than just running around like a headless chicken, and hoping for the best like we do.
Our pressing as a team sucks though. They all run individually, Bruno is the worst for this. He is so enthusiastic that he chases after a defender then the goalkeeper, and they play it around him with ease.
At this point he just needs to realise nobody is helping and hold the team shape. Running at a team like City/Liverpool alone is only going to waste your energy and make it 9v10.
It sucks because only certain players are doing it while the like of Rashy and Martial are just jogging around. If everyone is doing it, then it wouldn't be suck.
Feel like a lot of our top 4 hopes rest on if Sancho can find his feet in the league and really start racking up the goals and assists.
RR should base his strategy around getting the best out of Sancho. If that means picking only two of Ronaldo/Rashford/Cavani/Bruno/Greenwood so be it.
He reminds me of Silva (City) and Mata (Valencia) in the sense that he can go past his man as well as distribute creatively from wide positions. No other player in our squad can consistently do this. This flexibility would allow us to play both counter-attacking (going past, quick distribution) and possession based (playmaking from the deep/wide) football, depending on the situation.
Edit: I know he's in average form but I hope the next manager can get him back to his Dortmund form.
He reminds me of Silva (City) and Mata (Valencia) in the sense that he can go past his man as well as distribute creatively from wide positions. No other player in our squad can consistently do this. This flexibility would allow us to play both counter-attacking (going past, quick distribution) and possession based (playmaking from the deep/wide) football, depending on the situation.
Edit: I know he's in average form but I hope the next manager can get him back to his Dortmund form.
Except that is not what he said. He said Rashford would get better numbers than Timo got in a specific season in Bundesliga. Rashford being better in theory, or historically doesn't guarantee anything. Especially considering we are talking about Rashford who has strong history of being very inconsistent and experiencing long periods of horrible form.
Any bold statement on what would happen in a hypothetical situation is a speculation. BY DEFINITION of the word "speculation".
I know he has gone through a rough time recently but he needs to get his shit together in the next few months and start contributing more.
I'm a believer of his talents and have consistently said I'd start him over that other guy every day of the week and twice on Sunday but now he has to show his worth.
I'm a believer of his talents and have consistently said I'd start him over that other guy every day of the week and twice on Sunday but now he has to show his worth.
Unfortunately he just isn't that good.
As has been proven many times before the standard in the Bundesliga is well below the Premier league. He might do well in a slower less physical league like Spain or Italy.
He is a wide player who is slow and struggles to beat his man, he isn't going to work out, more money wasted.
As has been proven many times before the standard in the Bundesliga is well below the Premier league. He might do well in a slower less physical league like Spain or Italy.
He is a wide player who is slow and struggles to beat his man, he isn't going to work out, more money wasted.
I have Bonnie Tyler playing in the background here “I need a hero”...with a giant Sancho head stuck onto a David Hasslehoff poster. Jesus things are bleak...would be great if this kid just stepped up. I don’t think he is the one though.
nope. The better you are, the harder it is for you to perform and more conditions required for your talents to show apparently. Its amazing how R-9 Ronaldo looked the same under any manager
Luiz Ronaldo was goat level in terms of natural ability. His role and position was always the same anyway. Agree though that the premise can be stupid.
Yep, some might even call CR7 a kick and run, he done it under any manager and is one of the best ever footballers.
The logic is flawed.
Seemingly that RW spot is his own now, hopefully gets solid game time and gets up and running. The talent is undoubtedly there but seems he just needs the confidence to show it. Hopefully the formation change and the extra control we now have in games will suit him more.. he’s never been a counter attacking player, doesn’t have the pace for it at all.
The stats tell you where he played..Transfermarkt has him listed as a left winger BUT the hard facts are like I pointed out to you that he´s hardly played there as most of his games were at RW and CAM. If you chose to not to accept facts then
You must know better then this then also https://www.whoscored.com/Players/346300/History/Jadon-Sancho
In there you can see performances per postion and to sum it up for you in his career Sancho has played 60 games in AMR or MR position and 36 games in AML or ML positions. On top of that he has played 21 games as either a AMC or Striker. These are the facts of the matter.
With us needing a striker, I wouldn't be surprised to see us go all guns blazing for Haaland. He's also proven to have a good relationship with Sancho on the field.
Ok well I would speculate about the state of mind of anyone who genuinely thinks Rashford wouldn't score more goals than Werner in the Bundesliga. Or in Spain or on Mars.
Baffling isnt it? And yet the fkers wont press. Its like workrate. How hard is that? Its literally running. A child can do that. yet we are outrun all the friggin time.
Pogba can’t press. Even when you can see that he is trying to make an effort and put himself about defensively, he is not very good at it at all.
That says a lot about Pogba and his mentality plus the lack of coaching and leadership from the mangement team....Klopp, Pep, Conte,Nagelsman,Simone to name a few have a simple rule...it´s their way or you are not in the team and they all demand maxium physical effort from all their players...We have not done so up to this point but perhaps we are seeing a change now as Ragnick comes from the same mould as the others mentioned here above.
You really have a limited understanding about pressing. It's about angles, triggering, forcing the ball to certain outlets, forcing defenders to their weaker foot etc... And it's like 3, 4 ,5 ,6 , 7 player orchestration. Speaking about individual defensive actions or individual effort really isn't indicative of a cogent pressing system. We've seen that this team can't even implement RR's preferred system of pressing (without Pogba) so it's an open question and really totally irrelevant as it regards a single player who's been injured. For what it's worth, Rashford is awful with his aimless charge down the keeper pressing.
We need a Spotify like disclaimer on all these posts where people pretend to know tactics and systems.
I posted this when he was heavily linked to us in the summer and got absolutely crucified, probably the most engaged post I've ever had but I stand by it. He wasn't what we needed, with the Greenwood saga we have to buy a left footed right winger with bags of pace this summer.
The same Pogba was a starter for Conte. Pogba has only been good with fairly strict managers like Conte, Deschamps and Allegri.
Thats not because he can't, its because he doesn't want to. He has legs, he can run. If he isn't doing something its probably because he doesn't want to.
Ah shut the feck up mayne, don’t bore me with your theses.
That is simplistic ‘Pogba has a bad attitude propaganda’. Anyone can do anything on a football pitch then, by virtue of the fact that they ‘have legs’. As I said, even when Pogba is visibly making an effort defensively - he does it poorly. He does not tackle well, just as ‘110% effort Scott McTominay’ does not tackle well. Both are more likely to foul their man than win the ball.
With pressing, you need short, sharp, shuttle runs. Pogba lacks the ability to do that, he has low agility and has long strides as opposed to short ones. As a result - he is not good at pressing. Yaya Toure was not good at pressing. Marouane Fellaini was not good at pressing. Lukaku is not good at pressing. Peter Crouch likely would have not been good at pressing.
Anyone can try to press to the level required, but not every player can do it as well as others. As we can see but not every player doing it as well as others. The soundbite punditry age that we are in though would unsurprisingly just dismiss all of these players as simply ‘not wanting’ to press (well).
He played on the left, he played on the right, that boy Sancho made the bundesliga look shite.
Mate, you're on the wrong track, simple as that. The data you're referring to is flawed by definition because it is solely based on the pre-match assumptions of journalists and not corrected afterwards if need be. I've watched over 50 matches of Sancho for Dortmund and lost count how many times the broadcasters and tickers listed him as starting on the right but he was found on the left from the very beginning. If you want to get a precise image, watch the heat maps. And Sancho's are looking like this:
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I'm not making this up, he is better on the left and played more on that side of the pitch. As I said, Favre and Terzic played Reus out of position to make room for Sancho on the left and now Solskjaer and Rangnick played him on the left preferrably, too. Do you think this is coincidence? He is a LW and most likely sees himself on that side of the pitch as well. And it's only logical because his skillset is much better suited to cut inside having the ball on his strong foot. It was a very brief period in which he played on the right and THIS was actually as a right sided 10 in a 3-4-3 with Hakimi not vice versa. He even made his first appearances for Dortmund as a LW and had one season in which he started on the right most of the time - and that was ith a very dominant RWB who is not comparable to any player you have in your squad. And if the media you consume suggests something different, it isn't very accurate with its facts.
I guess the rumor is now that managers are more sophisticated and football is more tactical, so the players need specific tactical set ups because they too, are more tactical than previous generations......or something like this
Do you know why I do not buy this? Salah.
He's going to have his chance to prove himself now, with Greenwood out. Imho, he is right at top of the list of worst signings of the season (maybe competing with Lukaku for the top spot). With a new manager, a familiar system and an opportunity with a first teamer out, this is do or die. Would be funny if he loses this spot to Elanga.
Well, it is true. And arguing the opposite is pretty much denying the facts because of nostalgia. You should never do that.
see below. There are believers. there was no such thing as tactics or systems in the past. Catenaccio, Rinus Michels system, good old Herbert Chapman and all the list of Italian managers never employed tactics
Well, its a shame because it clearly shows lack of football understanding. They probably require twitter and MNF to analyse tactics and systems to show them what it means.see below. There are believers. there was no such thing as tactics or systems in the past. Catenaccio, Rinus Michels system, good old Herbert Chapman and all the list of Italian managers never employed tactics
I remember when Fergie used to go away from home in Europe and play different systems and the tactic was to not concede and get 1 away goal, even a 2-1 loss was thought of a good result.
Yes, and the NASA flew to the moon 50 years ago. Doesn't mean that space flight hasn't become more complicated since then with all the new technological possibilities.see below. There are believers. there was no such thing as tactics or systems in the past. Catenaccio, Rinus Michels system, good old Herbert Chapman and all the list of Italian managers never employed tactics
Yes, I do because I acknowledge that I know nowhere near enough to analyze the tactics of a coach like Guardiola or Tuchel in detail. Have you ever heard of Dunning-Kruger?
You are mixing up strategy (don't concede) and tactics (how not to concede) here, but otherwise I agree.
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