Moyes is one of the most proven candidates out there. He’s 100% proven to not be up to the task of managing a major club. Anyone thinking he’s an option without wumming has severely lost their way in the last few years.
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I'm surprised there's not more excitement on here over the manager situation, because it looks to me that it's now nailed on that Ten Hag will get the job. The stuff from Poch about wanting to win the CL with PSG says to me that he's not got the job. Which really only leaves Ten Hag.
Was Sir Alex Ferguson a proven manager in a top league?
Different circumstances as he won the Scottish league when Scottish football was good. Then he won the European Cup Winners Cup when the really good teams who didn't win their leagues played in them. Not the 5 and 6th.
He beat Bayern and Real Madrid to win it. So he had a proven pedigree.
According to his posts, we should be looking at Uncle Sam, Steve Bruce or even bring back the legend of Di Matteo.
I don't think we get carried away like we used to. So whoever the next appointment is, it's best to see how things progress before getting excited.
As long as Poch is an option I'm not getting carried away.
Winning a European final with Aberdeen, beating Real Madrid and Bayern Munich along the way, was a fair argument to say he was a proven manager at the highest level.
Going for Poch because he'll soon be out of contract despite having failed at Spurs and PSG would be the most resoundingly Glazers thing the Glazers could ever do.
We should be looking at someone coming up who is punching above their weight not treading water with a massive club - the likes of Potter, Vieira and Hassenhutl would be interesting candidates given their successes at clubs that would be most people's relegation candidates at the start of most seasons.
Probably more proven but also more disproven. I think football management is a bit like being a boxer. When they fail it really tarnishes them more so than any other career. Rodgers has way too many failures under his belt.
We need a manager on the up not on the down.
I'm very excited, it's a done deal I think.
In my eyes certainly the best move we can make with what are trying to do moving forward, gut squad, play or promote youth and buy gems, and build into a real go at trophies again with a manager who not damaged goods, shows he can get young players playing top football, and can rebuild if he needs too.........but as a coach/manager himself, seems to have that winners mentality regarding how he approaches the games.
If Erik Ten Hag will be here, he can bring Mazraoui, Gravenberch & Antony with himself. First one free agent, the other 2 not that expensive.
Do we have eyes on Erik today to see if he's meeting up with John in 'Dam?
Is it possible he has used his experience at United, admittedly a failed tenure, to improve on some aspects of his methods?
I don't want him back here at all but I can certainly say without begrudgery he is doing a superb job now at West Ham and would probably be in the conversation to become our next manager if he wasn't David Moyes.
He only lost for around the 400th time away to a top 6 club yesterday. He luck is bound to change soon. Get him in.
I’m sure he learned from his mistakes a little bit yeah
But he clearly didn’t have the mentality for it which is hard to get
Nor play the right brand of football
I don't think he's doing a superb job to be honest. Mixed bag in league. Coming 6th/7th end of season not an amazing job to me. Whether they've been there before or not.
If he wins the Europa League I will evaluate it
He's doing a great job at West Ham, but that is because he's clearly in his comfort zone at the level just behind the top teams, where he can play the kind of football that goes along with not having to win every game, and where there's not too much media circus going on, and not too strong outside forces beyond his slow, measured managerial control.
He developed this West Ham exactly to the point where his Everton were, that's what he's able to do.
It's impressive and proves he's a really good manager, but it doesn't change the fact he couldn't cope with the United job at the time (not that it was an easy task), and doesn't imply he could cope with it (or a similar one) given another chance.
Open question to anyone reading -
If you worked your way down the list of the best managers in the World (example: you might start with Guardiola as the best, then Klopp, Simeone.. etc)
A) Assuming United did what all the successful teams do and simply got the best manager available rather than worrying about how polite they are, who do you think that manager would be?
B) Where on your list would United's apparent 2 top targets come? Ten Hag and Pochettino
If you worked your way down the list of the best managers in the World (example: you might start with Guardiola as the best, then Klopp, Simeone.. etc)
A) Assuming United did what all the successful teams do and simply got the best manager available rather than worrying about how polite they are, who do you think that manager would be?
B) Where on your list would United's apparent 2 top targets come? Ten Hag and Pochettino
I don't for one minute think Moyes would a good choice for our next manager but he has gone someway to rebuild his reputation after his disastrous spell with us.
He could come back though - to Everton who he'd be perfect for right now, they are almost in an identical situation as to when he was first appointed there.
He could come back though - to Everton who he'd be perfect for right now, they are almost in an identical situation as to when he was first appointed there.
I would say the elite managers in the world right now in order are Klopp, Guardiola, Tuchel, Conte, Ancelotti, Nagelsmann.
Ten Hag would seem most likely to join that bracket but he isn't quite there yet - Poch has shown beyond question he isn't ever going to be on that level.
Absolutely, at this point I think he has restored it. Maybe not quite in Spain (even though kicking out Sevilla will have been noticed there too).
He’s kind of a unique case though - Barca are actually a club with a predefined DNA and Xavi spent his entire career, bar the retirement payday, in that system.
Barca and Ajax are probably the two clubs where there is less risk when hiring former players - it’s still a risk but there’s no grand change in tactics and usually a lot of player familiarity already.
Seen a few reports saying we’re due to meet Ten Hag today to discuss potentially taking over as manager. Do not feck this up Utd! The only bonus is there’s no Woody this time to flap his gums about adult Disneyland etc…
The ideal scenario is we sign him up and announce him straight away, and stipulate that he'll join at the end of the season. This then allows him to look at the squad, etc and we can get the ball rolling on summer signings early so that they will all be available on the first day of pre-season. Too many times we sign players late and they take a half season to bed in, by which time we're lagging behind. Get the manager and players signed up early and give them a fighting chance.
(Tier 1)
Guardiola - at Man City
Klopp - at Liverpool
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(Tier 1.5 could arguably be placed in any order, this isn't based on just trophy haul but reputation and other matters)
Tuchel - at Chelsea
Conte - at Spurs
Simeone - at Atletico
Hansi Flick - at Germany
Luis Enrique - at Spain
Nagelsmann - at Bayern
Zidane (arguable) - Currently no club but seemingly only wants PSG or France according to most wide reports
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(Tier 2 again could arguably be put in any order, this isn't based on just trophy haul but reputation and other matters)
ETH - at Ajax
Poch - at PSG
Mancini - at Italy
Ancelotti - at Real Madrid
Allegri - at Juventus
etc etc
Despite what Scholes would have us all believe, we aren't getting anybody from that Tier 1 or Tier 1.5 because why would any of them leave their situations to come to United, infact the only ones i'd take from 1.5 are actually Nagelsmann or Enrique and one isn't leaving Bayern for us, and whilst the other could come to us, he won't be available this summer. Unfortunately our very lax attitude has meant that our probably two best options are ETH or Poch. Over the last few years had we been proactive, decisive and visionary we potentially could have gotten our hands on Klopp, Tuchel, Conte, Nagelsmann and many others, but we weren't, so we are left with what we are left with, it's just poor timing on our part, i'd love to see ETH here and whilst i prefer him over Poch i'm not against Poch either, I just wish those weren't our top two targets but we have little choice because we've missed the boat on more proven elite managers
There's not enough smoke for it to be nailed on. There's a couple of names but not many serious reports. That's why it's hard for anyone to get excited. Not to mention the complete lack of faith in the board right now.
Barca actually trains their players to become managers, especially midfielders.
Their midfielders had to be extremely well-verse in tactics, basically being the midfield general or the manager on the pitch.
Generally speaking, smart players make good managers. And Barca tends to focus a lot of attention on getting smart players.
I remember reading United are aiming to name the new manager at end of April?
Ornstein said end of March yesterday. I think it’ll be known before our next game.
Yeah. I will take it on the chin if my choice Ten Hag doesn't work out, but I'll be underwhelmed if Pochettino walks in the door.
We've had too many false dawns by now to be getting excited over any manager.
Really? Only been a manager for a few years and surprised you have Ancelotti and Poch in the same category, they've had very different success stories
I won't feel safe in this until I see confirmation from the club. I really can't trust them to make the right decision.
This is my source
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/07/...affled-in-his-interview-before-nunos-arrival/
At last, Tottenham have a manager. The club’s lengthy search for José Mourinho’s replacement is over, as Nuno Espírito Santo arrives
However, that hasn’t stopped details about other candidates for the vacancy coming out.
WHAT’S THE STORY?
Erik ten Hag, who manages Ajax, was one man considered by Daniel Levy. The Dutchman met the north Londoners for an interview, following his success with the Eredivisie giants.
In Amsterdam, Ten Hag has guided Ajax to two Eredivisie titles, two KNVB Cups, and the Johan Cruyff Shield.
The 51-year-old also finished fourth in FIFA’s 2019 Coach of the Year award.
HOW DID ERIK TEN HAG BAFFLE TOTTENHAM?
Well, according to Valentijn Driessen – football chief for De Telegraaf – Spurs found Ten Hag’s staff choices ‘very strange’ indeed.
Where Tottenham expected him to bring goalkeeping coaches and physiotherapists, the Dutchman said he’d be bringing just one man – Sjors Ultee.
As quoted by Voetbal, Driessen adds that Ten Hag’s English wasn’t too great either, which added to Tottenham’s reasons not to hire him.
In the end, Ten Hag signed a new contract with Ajax, and Spurs moved on to other candidates.
He would’ve been an interesting appointment, but by all accounts, he made a very weak first impression with Tottenham.
Admittedly Valentijn Driessen tends to be something of a polarizing figure among Ajax supporters due to some of his harsh (and what some consider dramatic) criticisms of the club on podcasts.
Mike verweij works under him at the publication as Ajax chief writer and they often share the same sources but not necessarily the same views always. De Telegraaf happens to be Ajax's official media partner and Van Der Saar wrote a weekly column for them (can't confirm if he still does). Make of it what you will.
It's not even a dig at Ten Hag but if it's true that he only intended to bring one other member of staff wouldn't it raise questions? Would you want him dependent on the club to fill those positions after he agrees to sign on?
Would you trust united to give him the support he needs like the one he got at Ajax? Maybe that's how it's done in the Netherlands but it appears Spurs were baffled by his lack of a staff of his own choosing
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A) Define best manager available. Enrique for me would be my absolute number one but is he available? Certainly not until January 2023. And the biggest question is would he come here? I think City would be his next port of call when Pep finally stands down. Everything at the club is set up for him whereas here.....?
B) Poch would be my number 1 most available on the list, followed by TH at number 2. Just to round off the 4 best candidates on my list Tutchel would be number 3. If Enrique is somehow available then each manager moves down one place.
This needs announcing publically ASAP to give the club, it’s staff and its fans a much needed lift and sense of direction for the final part of this season. We just seem to be flapping in circles right now.
I hope and pray the club are finalising details of the contract with Ten Haag and his team for him to arrive in June after this seasons eredivise and premier league finishes.
I hope and pray the club are finalising details of the contract with Ten Haag and his team for him to arrive in June after this seasons eredivise and premier league finishes.
Second time I’ve heard of his ‘poor English’. His English sounds better than some English managers never mind foreign.
well basically just the best manager that they can possibly get. So for me Guardiola is the best manager in the World, is he attainable? No chance. Next is Klopp, is he available? No chance. And keep going until you find one that's at least somewhat realistic, where it wouldn't be a shock of shocks to get them. I'd agree with you that Luis Enrique is the best manager in the World who'd be realistic, likely they'd have to wait another 6 months though.
I only have Ancelotti there because as I say in the post, it isn't just about trophy haul but reputation and stock. So, for example, whilst Ancelotti is a more successful coach than Poch and ETH (obviously) over the course of his careers so far, some might argue he doesn't represent a longevity hire anymore, and doesn't seem to be as high in demand unlike ETH or Pochettino who are "younger more up and coming" managers. No doubt Ancelotti is still doing the business hence why he's at Madrid but I don't believe he represents the future and so he's lower down on the list
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