Heaven forbid that we try to recoup as much money as possible
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Yes its working out fantastically for us. What with the likes of Lingard and Rojo and Romero leaving for massive fees that are reinvested in the first team...Heaven forbid that we try to recoup as much money as possible
We've done a shit job at selling players, what else is new, the notion that we shouldn't try to recoup as much as possible is as daft as it gets. We've also sold Daniel James, Lukaku, got rid of Sanchez, Mkhi. No idea why you want to pretend that we hesitate to get rid of players based on desperately wanting them to succeed so that "someone" doesn't look bad.
I divide them into two camps. There's the salty Ole fan group (cult?). The other group just hate everyone and everything probably including themselves. DIsclaimer (no this might not accurately describe everyone doesn't rate him.
Carrick deserves praise, but it’s not fathomable that he would have guided the squad into fourth place and a deeper run in the CL.
RR hasn't done well on the pitch, as it were but I'm not sure what people were expecting of him.
I remember reading, and it turned out it was true, in his first 6 weeks (or thereabouts) he has the players for something like 4-6 days to work with.
Can't remember the exact details without checking but it was a factor of COVID, internationals? And the run of games. Things like day of rest after a game where players can't even go for a walk or something were contributing factors.
We as fas can only judge on his job on the pitch. Everything else is speculation
That wasn't speculation. It was well documented.
Well it's no different to anything else in life. If you're constantly putting out fires you're not actually focussing on fixing the issues. We could buy our way to a struggling 4th via constant managerial changes indefinitely, but we're not suddenly going to become a good team.
I'd guess the owners and players don't rate him otherwise there would be moves to make him permanent manager
I'm not sure he will even stay in the consultancy roll
Should have given it to Giggsy... Erm Carrick for the rest of the season
I'm not sure he will even stay in the consultancy roll
Should have given it to Giggsy... Erm Carrick for the rest of the season
Going to a 4-2-2-2, failing, then reverting isn’t what I’d call top class management. I think we’re just going to have to disagree on this. I think you are wrong, and the results tend to lean towards my way of thinking.This is factually just wrong. He first tried a 4-2-2-2 and also tried implementing pressing before realizing the players were not up to it and changing back the formations. He also introduced Dalot and Elanga into the team dropping AWB and Rashford to the bench, both of which would not have happened under Ole. What more changes can he make, given how small the squad has become?
He literally says that twice:
He basically says exactly at 5:17:
"And now we have to create, somehow something that probably nobody would expect, but in football things like that happen at times so we have to be up for that game on Tuesday, and yeah we will see".
At 8:18 he says:
"Everybody has seen today's game, and we all know against what kind of team we are playing on Tuesday. They won at Manchester City today, they are in the cup final and might even in the end have the chance to win four trophies this season. If we play like that, if we play like we did today it will be very very difficult to get even a point out of this game. This is what we have to be realistically aware of, so we need to raise our own level and standard.
Probably Fred and Scott will not be back. Raphael Varane will also be [in] a tight race for the game on Tuesday, so far he has not trained with the team. So we have to be aware with the players we had available today we have to drive to Liverpool and just get anything out of that game. If possible, we need three points. That can happen in football, it has happened before, but we have to be realistic, we have to play a lot better if Liverpool is in possession of the ball as we did today."
So it seems you ignored what he said.
Regarding the two quotes you pulled out, and you listen to his tone, he was pretty negative about our chances on Tuesday. I can see how the dressing room would be underwhelmed with his pre match talk.
This was his first presser where he seemed annoyed with the questions and the whole situation at the club. The vocabulary seemed fine, but I think he’s fraying at the edges. My 2 cents…
Really? Miles different? In what sense? The only difference in the Norwich match was that Lingard was moving all over the pitch. I’m no Lingard fan, but his greatest skill has always been work rate and movement off the ball. He’s been instructing the weak side fullback to pinch in and become an extra midfielder while we have possession high up the pitch. Both Maguire and Lindelof have been tentative in transition because the fullbacks are pinched in and constantly trying to get back in position to cover the wide man. We saw it when Norwich would break.
He’s been incredibly naive in his tactics and the players are bearing the brunt of the blame. Don’t get me wrong, they deserve a lot of stick too, but Ralf has been out coached consistently, and we almost dropped points to Norwich at home, which, are an awful, awful squad. Not sure if you noticed.
Liverpool is quite a side, no doubt.
I believe the best managers always get the best performances in the biggest matches, no matter the odds. Disappointed to see a Man Utd manager lack the defiance, the character to convince me and the other supporters that we have a chance on Tuesday.
No sugar coating from Ralf these days, he's just saying the truth. He has nothing to lose with him not being manager.
I think most fans are realistic enough to think we could definitely win this game but it will be a struggle, these games are usually tight (forgetting this seasons 0-5) and cagey. I don’t need my manager to tell me we’ll try and win the game, that’s a given, I also prefer them to speak honestly without sugar coating things. Ragnick isn’t really a hands on coach, I don’t think his interim stint has been anything short of what you’d expect if you hired a DoF with decent football experience so he’s definitely not the solution on the training pitch but personality wise he’s what this group of players needs in my opinion.
You know what, as far as I am concerned, he can't come out with statements like "no other team would concede goals like that" then just picks the same players anyway, he's had 5 months or more to get these players to defend better & obviously has failed to do so.
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Good quotes.
Rangnick talking absolute sense as usual. The club has been driven by commercial interests ahead of football interests for years and that's why there's been zero vision for how we want to play. We've just been signing players who sell lots of shirts and generate lots of social media interest.
I really hope his poor managerial stint doesn't affect his role at the club because I want this guy to help us get our shit together behind the scenes.
I really hope his poor managerial stint doesn't affect his role at the club because I want this guy to help us get our shit together behind the scenes.
So the last guy gets fired midseason because even after spending $400 million, the team isn‘t winning. But let’s blame the new guy who hasn’t spent a cent?
Someone explain that.
Someone explain that.
Not sure what you're saying here. If the new guy wins he's obviously better than the previous guy, but if he loses, it's still the previous guy?
Anyways, what he's saying makes sense, but isn't ground breaking at all. Just sad that it took this long for a proper DoF type to come here. Someone like a Paul Mitchell, who we've been linked with for ages, could've come and said the same thing and start the rebuild earlier.
Rangnick's strength is clearly behind the scenes. I hope we keep him on after his managerial stint. I'm quite excited about next season
I’m saying that it’s tough to rate a guy or blame a guy for this mess when it was created by someone else and he has not been given an opportunity to fix it.
Thats seems rather obvious to me.
I dont think anyone who Isn’t inside that clubhouse knows where the problems are. They could spend years unraveling it through trial and error. Or someone could actually spend some time inside the clubhouse and give the players opportunity to play and succeed and then document how they do under different situations in an attempt to figure a path ahead.
A manager who is still fighting for fourth place despite having those bunch of players that - we all know - have no passion at all, no proper DM, plenty of injured players and players past their prime, is surely doing well. With this squad, you can't expect us to win every game. I mean if Mata and Matic were amongst our best players in the last game vs the league bottom team says it all. Let's just try the best until ETH takes over next season. I personally think we would spend a lot in the next transfer windows regardless of the CL qualification.
Rangnick advocating doping isn’t something I expected to see.
I agree. Man might not be a good manager but every comment or analysis he makes about the club is spot on. I just hope our clueless board will not back down from the promise and keep him as consultant.
Rangnick is probably the worse manager Utd have had .
This is not a dig at him, he just isn’t a manager.
Utd have no way of playing, no strategy, no commitment.
Even Moyes and Ole had some sort of structure.
This is not a dig at him, he just isn’t a manager.
Utd have no way of playing, no strategy, no commitment.
Even Moyes and Ole had some sort of structure.
That was never the case in his previous episodes as a coach. You could always see his handwriting. If you can't see a clear playing style, then he probably can't implement it with the players he has.
This is why I see giving Rangnick more responsibility after this season than quoted is imperative, he knows how to shape/build clubs, a few days a month isn't tapping into that knowledge enough imo.
To be honest if he can scrape 4th place with this group of players and all the issues Ole created I’d probably say he’s been better. Ole’s problem wasn’t just that he kept losing important knock out games and didn’t leave any kind of playing style, it’s that he was allowed to do it for so long. If Ragnick’s legacy is coming into a squad in relegation form and shithousing our way into the CL without a penny to his name and in a very short amount of time, that’s more impressive to me than whatever it is people think Ole achieved.
definitely, it was clearly obvious what he was trying to do at the start, we saw glimpses of it for parts of some games, a completely different way of playing than we had been used to. It then basically disappeared, coinciding with constantly losing players to injury, and seeing how bad some of our players were over the course of the whole game when they had to try and play like he wanted them to. I think it's very obvious that he has just not been able to successfully implement his playstyle with the group, this is why he is talking about how getting rid of players and bringing in new ones is crucial(something he will never get to do). Even getting 2 players on the cheap over xmas might have made a huge difference for him, who knows.
We're run by morons, but they're new level morons if they don't keep Rangnick on next season at board level
Like that from Ralf. Just hoping we listen to him.
Football isn't just about tactics like some modern day supporters would have you believe. It's about players. Good players, good attitudes, whose styles compliment. Like Ralf says, it's not that complicated if you keep in mind the end goal.
Football isn't just about tactics like some modern day supporters would have you believe. It's about players. Good players, good attitudes, whose styles compliment. Like Ralf says, it's not that complicated if you keep in mind the end goal.
Can't say it's fair to hold his coaching tenure against him. He likes a certain style of play and our squad is woefully unsuitable for that style. That's not even going into the pathetic mentality and attitude of some of that lot.
This consultancy garbage needs to end before it's began and he needs to be given a position with power inside the club pronto. If he wants that.
This consultancy garbage needs to end before it's began and he needs to be given a position with power inside the club pronto. If he wants that.
If you can't beat them, join them. City and Liverpool have been doing it for years, unless they've got some unworldly doctors and physio's on a biblical level
A few days a month for an executive position is more than enough. We don't need Ralf to be negotiating contracts, scouting players, standing behind Ten Hag, watching training etc. We just need him to tell the idiots in charge what they have to change to improve things around here.
Consultancy usually works like "we'll give you one day a week guaranteed and go from there" anyway. He'll probably end up doing more as and when there is a need to do so, it's not a tea lady on a contracted 30 hours a week minimum wage situation.
More like advocating that we hire an established expert to keep the players in shape. Just like Madrid have recently done. This is exactly the sort of input we need from him, even if he’s failing in other areas.
This season was a lost cause for me well before Ole was sacked. Not getting CL isn‘t great, but it isn‘t the end of the world. I hope that Rangnick was appointed not just for getting results, but for assessing the squad and the structure of the club at a hands on level.
If he can give a detailed assessment of the current squad to the club, and more importantly to the new manager, and provide some insights on how to improve the structure of the club, that would be a success in my eyes.
I know we lose out on some money, but this whole top 4 thing is quickly making us the next Arsenal, if we haven’t already. I’d rather win the FA cup than make it to top 4, as if it‘s some great achievement. And there‘s no chance we are winning the CL next season, so qualifying for it is useless from a footballing POV.
If he can give a detailed assessment of the current squad to the club, and more importantly to the new manager, and provide some insights on how to improve the structure of the club, that would be a success in my eyes.
I know we lose out on some money, but this whole top 4 thing is quickly making us the next Arsenal, if we haven’t already. I’d rather win the FA cup than make it to top 4, as if it‘s some great achievement. And there‘s no chance we are winning the CL next season, so qualifying for it is useless from a footballing POV.
People still blaming Rangnick when we have a squad of the most hopeless, lazy, overrated players ever assembled?
OK then.
I'm glad he's here either way as he'll do a lot of good advising the club of the best way forward.
OK then.
I'm glad he's here either way as he'll do a lot of good advising the club of the best way forward.
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