Does the club just lack character?

[Skills]

I've thought this for a while, ever since Sir Alex retired the clubs never really shown any strength in character. You can say it's the players, but it was Sir Alex's left over squad that got pummeled 3-0 by Liverpool and Man City at home back to back.

It seems like the only character, we have came from Fergie. The clubs a bit soulless without him. Liverpool, Barcelona, Madrid and co those clubs have their an in-built character or fight. We don't have that.

 

[AndySmith1990]

The club has had plenty of characters since Ferguson. They just so happen to be dodgy, slimy money grabbing egotistical scum bag characters

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

There are serious problems between playing staff, standard of coaching, recruitment and overall running of the club. It’s all fixable but it will take a while. I believe at the start of the season the players and the manager did genuinely care. But for the past few months it has been truly pathetic how they’ve tanked the season.

 

[mu4c_20le]

We lost our way a bit after Moyes.

 

[Siorac]

It’s all fixable

I don't think so, not anymore. It doesn't matter who we bring here. We'll ruin anyone's career.

 

[Ole'sgunnarwin]

The club has lost it's soul. It genuinely feels dead and I'm not sure what can bring it back to life.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

I don't think so, not anymore. It doesn't matter who we bring here. We'll ruin anyone's career.

In Ten Hag we trust. The team has no direction and nothing to play for at the minute and this is one of the best Liverpool teams ever. It’s tough but it will get better.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

How can the club claim to have anything of any standard when we get pummeled 5-0 at home to Liverpool(and it could have been way more) and do nothing?

Our response to that is to give our then manager a do-or-die game against Nuno's Spurs who were even worse than we were.

Does any other club with any respect to its own tradition/history not sack a manager who's been here for 3 years, severely underperformed in the current season with a string of poor results/performances, and then proceeds to get humiliated 5-0 at home to their fiercest rivals?

Heck, even mid-table clubs and relegation clubs would have sacked their manager after that!

The fact we allowed any manager to remain after that is a huge stain on this club's recent history. It's season killing morale. Heads should have rolled after that defeat. Not just the coaching staff, but most people with any sort of decision-making power should have been demoted/fired.

There should be a documentary of how poorly run we've been since SAF left.

This club was blinkered for 9 years with the idea that only someone like SAF 2.0 can run this club. It's why they gave Moyes a 6 year contract!

We have nothing. We need a serious cultural reset.

 

[Nero]

Who needs character when you're collecting 300k a week.

 

[Loon]

They lack heart and pride.

 

[hobbers]

Lacks spine, confidence and ability.

From the playing squad to the coaches to the "technical directors" to the board.

 

[Skills]

They lack heart and pride.

There's plenty of threads about the players. Take it there. This is about Manchester United as a whole

 

[pascell]

It lacks pride and fight, unfortunately.

 

[Martial'sEmergingSmile]

Character comes from either the manager or the players. We have an interim and a collection of players - the majority at least - who care more about their brand deals, NFT grifts and social media reputation.

 

[bosnian_red]

Its a uniquely shit season that's been over for months. I don't think it needs any more analysis than that. Next season will be different, just like last season was extremely different. Every game that passes doesn't mean anything new. Its just wait for the season to finish and then start fresh with the next manager. Character/mentality/whatever else, it can change pretty easily and pretty quickly.

 

[Chripper]

People might not want to believe this, but Sir Alex Ferguson is bigger than Manchester United.

What we're currently seeing in Manchester United without a giant.

 

[Skills]

Lacks spine, confidence and ability.

From the playing squad to the coaches to the "technical directors" to the board.

Don't forget the fanbase. We lost 5-0 to Liverpool at home, and our fanbase just lubed themselves up for a few more thrashings.

 

[DevTheRed]

Lacks interest, pride, dignity, character.. and it all stems from up top.

We’ve been run like a business for many years and now we’re suffering because of it.

 

[Jaae]

The club has lost it's soul. It genuinely feels dead and I'm not sure what can bring it back to life.

One bald man.

 

[hobbers]

Don't forget the fanbase. We lost 5-0 to Liverpool at home, and our fanbase just lubed themselves up for a few more thrashings.

Yeh exactly.

I watched us then and watch us today and think we deserve this just as much as the board and the players.

The fans sit there gormlessly applauding while the players take the piss. All the Glazers had to do was hire on sentimentality and trot out some drivel about DNA and culture and suddenly it was fine to give up on expectations and standards.

 

[2mufc0]

Just a poorly run club, what a waste of resources (footballing side) .

 

[croadyman]

Cowardly and gutless from top to bottom

 

[Judge Red]

Fergie saw a similar rot start to happen in 1995 and remedied it in the one fell swoop. Nowadays it’s just one set of Big Time Charlies replacing the previous lot. Hopefully this summer is the end of it but I’m not convinced.

 

[Giggsy13]

While its fair to have this type of overreaction, its simply not true. We've just been mismanaged for a decade. Winning breeds a positive culture and hopefully ETH with Murtough (I have my doubts with him) can come in and revitalize this team. There are some bright spots re: Sancho, Elanga and Hannibal, that could reach higher levels under a proper manger like ETH and that's what we need to hope for including a proper 2 to 3 summer transfer windows where we cleanse the club of some of the useless twats in our squad.

 

[AndySmith1990]

Yeh exactly.

I watched us then and watch us today and think we deserve this just as much as the board and the players.

The fans sit there gormlessly applauding while the players take the piss. All the Glazers had to do was hire on sentimentality and trot out some drivel about DNA and culture and suddenly it was fine to give up on expectations and standards.

United fans were more concerned with looking better than other fans for being so supportive. That's come at the expense at doing what was best for the club. Hope they feel it was worth it

 

[matt23]

Was thinking similar tonight.

Mourinho was probably the closest we came to accidentally fixing the football club on hindsight. He was a strong enough character to make waves at the club and to embrace all the press and bullshit that goes on.

Hoping ten hag has what it's going to take.

 

[r3idy]

Just a poorly run club, what a waste of resources (footballing side) .

Agree.

As fans we are looking are searching for some complex and deep answers full of meaning. The reality is this, we are a poorly run club.

Quietly optimistic that we are now reaching rock bottom. A LOT Of dead wood is leaving the club which means new manager will have plenty of room to bring in fresh young players like Hannibal and mold them into the kind of player and team he wants rather than this patchwork abomination of a team

 

[clarkydaz]

Who needs character when you're collecting 300k a week.

Exactly. Fame an fortune and dont need to win anything. Glazers make money, so do the players. Dont worry about it

 

[Skills]

How can the club claim to have anything of any standard when we get pummeled 5-0 at home to Liverpool(and it could have been way more) and do nothing?

Our response to that is to give our then manager a do-or-die game against Nuno's Spurs who were even worse than we were.

Does any other club with any respect to its own tradition/history not sack a manager who's been here for 3 years, severely underperformed in the current season with a string of poor results/performances, and then proceeds to get humiliated 5-0 at home to their fiercest rivals?

Heck, even mid-table clubs and relegation clubs would have sacked their manager after that!

The fact we allowed any manager to remain after that is a huge stain on this club's recent history. It's season killing morale. Heads should have rolled after that defeat. Not just the coaching staff, but most people with any sort of decision-making power should have been demoted/fired.

There should be a documentary of how poorly run we've been since SAF left.

This club was blinkered for 9 years with the idea that only someone like SAF 2.0 can run this club. It's why they gave Moyes a 6 year contract!

We have nothing. We need a serious cultural reset.

This is a good post.

And that's not the only time we've done it - we've slowly sucked the pride out of the club in the last 9 years. Started with letting Moyes continue after shattering many of Fergie's 20+ year records, then letting him continue after we lost 3-0 at home to both City & Liverpool. We let Mourinho drag us through the mud for the best part of a year.

Other clubs don't put up with that.

 

[The Hilton]

We've clearly written off this season, from top to bottom. These players are capable of showing grit and determination, under Ole coming from behind and gutsy wins were pretty regular, but the players all stopped caring this season after Ole lost his marbles and tried to play like Liverpool without knowing how to organise a press.

We need a fresh start, with a new manager, an actual vision and direction for the team, and also the club with Rangnick moving upstairs to give us a sensible footballing structure. Once that happens, we can look at moving on the uninterested dead weight (which will be sped up thanks to contracts expiring), and they can then be replaced by some players with hunger that fit the managers plans. But for now we're just treading water until that stuff can start happening.

 

[cyberman]

It’s why CL football doesn’t matter a feck this season. What’s the point? We are at least three years away with a rebuild. More money for Glazers pockets while we sign names to bluff the summer.

gut it. Forget about short term gain and excuses to keep these shit players for the pretence of needing a big squad to compete in all fronts.

 

[Loon]

There's plenty of threads about the players. Take it there. This is about Manchester United as a whole

Applies.

 

[hobbers]

Quietly optimistic that we are now reaching rock bottom. A LOT Of dead wood is leaving the club which means new manager will have plenty of room to bring in fresh young players like Hannibal and mold them into the kind of player and team he wants rather than this patchwork abomination of a team

Genuinely getting rid of Pogba will feel better than any new signing could.

Feck just knowing we wouldnt offer Rashford a contract extension will feel more like a step in the right direction than signing x y or z.

 

[Stack]

It lacks a clear direction.

 

[Irwin99]

100% I just think you end up with a bad culture that perpetuates itself no matter if different players come in. Youth guys come in to the team and think 'who are the leaders here', big money signings come in and probably think the same.

All the rebuilds have been catastrophic failures and the structure looks horrible for new managers to deal with.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Nah this is just an easy label for British fans and commentators. “We need more passshun!”. In realty we need more quality, more reliance on technical players who can hold and retain the ball better under pressure.

 

[Stack]

Genuinely getting rid of Pogba will feel better than any new signing could.

Feck just knowing we wouldnt offer Rashford a contract extension will feel more like a step in the right direction than signing x y or z.

I think Pogba on his day is fantastic but he needs to go so badly. There arent many players who havent lived up to their potential at Utd as badly as Pogba.

 

[Skills]

It’s why CL football doesn’t matter a feck this season. What’s the point? We are at least three years away with a rebuild. More money for Glazers pockets while we sign names to bluff the summer.

gut it. Forget about short term gain and excuses to keep these shit players for the pretence of needing a big squad to compete in all fronts.

And again, take more humiliations for the next 3 years? You guys constantly advocate for this shit, do you genuinely enjoy these thumpings its why you're rooting for at least 3 more years of them?

 

[SparkedIntoLife]

Yep, we're a courage vortex. Even Rangnick has lost his bottle/swagger. Some of them seem to be pleasant, meek guys who need leadership. Others are sneaky, self serving and lacking any self awareness. Even behind the scenes, I'm sure there's some very bright and talented people (some of the scouts in particular have great pedigree) but they must end getting so frustrated and the culture from the top seems to be to stop caring. Everyone's overpaid, there's too many ridiculous contract extensions and jobs for the boys. If you're paid so well and being difficult isn't encouraged, it's easy to fall into going through the motions.

 

[Leftback99]

The last team we had with any kind of character and fight was 16/17 when Zlatan, Rooney, Herrera, Fellaini, Valencia were still here.

Nothing special but miles away from this lot in terms of mentality.