Its so obvious now why all the players where so happy when Ole took over, they where all like. ‘’Now we can do what ever the feck we want!’
So Jose Was Right?
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He also wanted to bring in Maguire, Dier and Willian.
Problem with Jose is he's not balanced enough and can resort to a bad style of play just to get results. He would carry on being an expensive disaster on shipping in and shipping out. He brought in Pogba for 90 million and expected him to be mature enough to be a general midfielder, brought in Lukaku who has turned out similar at Chelsea. Brought in Sanchez to overwrite Martial Rashford on mega wages. Signed Dalot. Wanted Maguire and no doubt would be insisting he's replaced after a short time. He's right about a few things but has proved to be wrong on so many.
In the end there's some small truths from Jose and LVG. Jose said we're a sad club when he arrived and admitted towards the end he needed help with players, he lost Rui and the club hoped Jose could do more on his own. LVG was stunned by how much we lacked in structure for a big club and had to hastily come up with targets, secure top 4 and we ended up with a lot of failures. We desperately need top people running the club for the Glazers like the owners of City and Chelsea do that have a goal, a plan and authority along with a current top manager. I've been saying this for a long time and Ralf has just said the same. ETH could be the right man at the wrong club if he's not supported well, we could be feeding a man to the wolves.
Mistakes do happen, Chelsea generally recruit better. City have shipped a couple out as well.
In the end there's some small truths from Jose and LVG. Jose said we're a sad club when he arrived and admitted towards the end he needed help with players, he lost Rui and the club hoped Jose could do more on his own. LVG was stunned by how much we lacked in structure for a big club and had to hastily come up with targets, secure top 4 and we ended up with a lot of failures. We desperately need top people running the club for the Glazers like the owners of City and Chelsea do that have a goal, a plan and authority along with a current top manager. I've been saying this for a long time and Ralf has just said the same. ETH could be the right man at the wrong club if he's not supported well, we could be feeding a man to the wolves.
Mistakes do happen, Chelsea generally recruit better. City have shipped a couple out as well.
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Jose was pretty toxic for you. It was an odd situation of toxic manager vs toxic player (Pogba)X. That being said he did say a lot of things that made sense. It was the delivery that was dreadful.
One thing he didn’t do though. Spend money. Just like Ole being blamed for extending contracts - that’s the CEOs job, not his. This negative period was brought to you by Ed, who controlled everything.
I think you're taking my point too literal, I'm well aware of Ed.Jose was pretty toxic for you. It was an odd situation of toxic manager vs toxic player (Pogba)X. That being said he did say a lot of things that made sense. It was the delivery that was dreadful.
One thing he didn’t do though. Spend money. Just like Ole being blamed for extending contracts - that’s the CEOs job, not his. This negative period was brought to you by Ed, who controlled everything.
He recruited half off the team that couldn't play modern football. So he is hardly right.
He was 100% right, but it doesn’t mean that he’s the solution to our problems.
Where is that half ? His only remaining signings that are playing regularly are Lindelof, Fred and Pogba, and he fell with the last one by the end of his time here. Guess what, we're still playing absolute shit football.
People talk a lot, but the reality is all these talking are in hindsight too. Pogba was a major signing everyone wanted, Bailly and Lindelof were upcoming young defenders with a lot of potential (contrary to what people usually claim about him signing ready made players) and Bailly had a fantastic first season with everyone hailing him up. Lukaku was the best striker option available for us when we signed him (the other options were Belotti and Morata, for feck sake). We didn't sign Griezmann this summer, but we saw the guy flopping so badly with Barca the last few years. Mikhi came to us after having a fantastic final season with BVB.
Finally Matic has been a great signing. I don't normally consider Fred a Mourinho signing but he has become a consistent starter for us for the 2 managers who followed him anyway.
9 years and the majority of our signings have been either a huge failure, or start well then fail and flop as time passes. Impossible for all these players to be shit really. Some were obviously bad from the start or were obvious they were going to flop but all of them ?
He was right about many of the problems, however I don’t think his solutions were the right ones, for example signing Matic when fans were crying out for Fabinho and he wanted to come here. He wanted maguire, Perisic (would he still be up to it?), Eric Dier, Morata etc.
Jose was right saying we are shit but so is he.
In theory he was sort of right but didn't help that he signed a lot of trash as well.
Plus, you have to take responsibility and can't throw players under the bus like that.
Plus, you have to take responsibility and can't throw players under the bus like that.
I've seen people he was right about Shaw when he was here, then wrong about Shaw when he hit good form, then right about Shaw when his form dropped off again.
Yes.
Time has proven Jose right.
Fans were told the bitter truth, they were having none of it though. Most I remember they were up in arms and outraged
Babies, just like the players.
Time has proven Jose right.
Fans were told the bitter truth, they were having none of it though. Most I remember they were up in arms and outraged
Babies, just like the players.
He was right. He did not have the solution or the backing need for that matter. It might be better times ahead now. I hope to see a lot of change.
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Jose was right but he was always a short term solution and that is why he got players like Matic. Who would know that after 4 years Matic is still the best DM we still have? Maguire in a Jose team would be good and I do not think he is going to make Maguire the Captain. He would also throw Rashford under the bus as he would not accept that kind of effort from any player.
Of course he was right. He needed backing when the going got tough. Instead, we proceeded to allow players to buy in to their own inflated self-worth by squeezing every last commercial juice from them. Their egos got bigger and didn't allow room for any manager to tell them where they were going wrong, much less a big ego like Mourinho.
Jose was hard done by at Utd, that is proving itself to be true.
Our revenues may be better in the short / medium term by utilising players' commercial value, but there is real long term damage with too much power being transferred to the players each season.
Jose was hard done by at Utd, that is proving itself to be true.
Our revenues may be better in the short / medium term by utilising players' commercial value, but there is real long term damage with too much power being transferred to the players each season.
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A good perspective on Jose and his time at OT.
It did go badly wrong at the end and it was right that he had to go.
However, I have said on a number of occasions that it was far from just his fault.
And one thing most of his may detractors fail to acknowledge, he got a bang average squad to finish 2nd with 81 points.
And he won things while he was here.
He was significantly more right about United than he was wrong about.
He was right and the summer broke the relationship really. After that I'm not sure it was viable for him to stay.
The club should have listened to him and taken onboard his views but it's hard to say if they should have backed his decisions or not.
It reality not only did they dismiss his decisions they dismissed his reasoning. We leaped towards the opposite and thats a big part of why we're at this position with toxic unsuitable players.
If what we've learned from this whole situation is that Jose was right and needed even more backing, then I'm afraid we'll be stuck in this mire for a lot longer yet.
He certainly sussed out Pogba and Martial early on. Hindsight’s a wonderful thing though.
Jose was not hard done at all. He was toxic and should never have been near the club. The club spent lots of money to bring players in for him and a truly top class manager would have worked with that. Instead he does what he always does when he cant get instant success, throw his toys out the pram. Look at some of the players he was desperate for like Perisic, look at Dalot he did bring in. I remember one match where out of nowhere he started McTominay at centre back despite having several options of actual CBs. THat was a clear f you to Woodward, but he was too dim to even realise that. Horrible, horrible manager. Cant believe the revisionist shit on here.
He may be right in his analysis but he had the chance to change the direction of the club through his strong personal characteristics but failed miserably.
We actually haven't had a top class manager since Sir Alex so who knows. Be interesting to see what Pep or Klopp would have done with the squad. I mean, Ole came second last season, and there were times during the season, especially at the back end, where some of the players we'd identify as 'rubbish' now, were our stand out players.
I just don't believe our players are as poor as some would say. Its been a bit of a disaster. Roll on next season!
I just don't believe our players are as poor as some would say. Its been a bit of a disaster. Roll on next season!
Hi strong personal characteristics were mainly petulance and self obsession. He never built anything and never will, motivated through fear and anger. Again, horrible manager who should never have been at the club. DOnt get this obsession with all our past mistakes. He was already on a downward spiral, but good old Ed too stupid to realise
What did he sus out? He bought Pogba, and his Martal replacement was Lukaku.
The guy who signed these players definitely knew the solution to our problems....
Henrikh Mkhitaryan
Victor Lindelöf
Alexis Sánchez
Yes he was right about a lot of things, so was LVG. However Jose was clearly also the wrong manager and part of the problem
What they did was finish second, ahead of Liverpool. It's gone to shit since, but dragging Solskjear out of the mean spirited dumpster fire he was left in seems needlessly churlish.
Was Jose right? No, he's a busted flush of a manager who either couldn't see what the problem was or signed an NDA to secure both his silence and the millions he took in payoff before scuttling off to his next failure.
Of course he was.
He just didn't have the temperament or the patience to turn it around, he went into Jose self destruct mode because he knew the club wouldn't get rid of the players before him and he would be better off out of it.
He just didn't have the temperament or the patience to turn it around, he went into Jose self destruct mode because he knew the club wouldn't get rid of the players before him and he would be better off out of it.
Come on man, Liverpool had 54 points this time last year, finishing ahead of Liverpool last year was no accomplishment. Ole was shite.
This seems like a situation that has been allowed to happen to me. Wouldn’t say Jose is necessarily right as LVG said similar that there is no tempo or intensity to the players. Then we’ve chopped and changed managers and had no real set direction other than throw money at it and see if this works.
Then you just end up with players to an extent probably thinking things like so and so isn’t going to pass so there is no point making such and such a run and then that becomes habit.
Every player that has come to United recently has regressed.
Then you just end up with players to an extent probably thinking things like so and so isn’t going to pass so there is no point making such and such a run and then that becomes habit.
Every player that has come to United recently has regressed.
Wish people would stop using us being in the pits to absolve Mourinho of blame. We were awful with him and he's been awful everywhere he's been since. Get a clue.
Yeah he was right when he signed all of these planks and threw them under the bus a few months later.
Anyone like to revisit the summer before he got the sack, it was fecking brutal.
Anyone like to revisit the summer before he got the sack, it was fecking brutal.
Maybe he wasn't clairvoyant, just observant. Maybe he was seeing in training then what we are seeing on the pitch now. Pretty much every player at this club could feck right off and I wouldn't loss a moment of sleep, but I do wonder if we backed Mourinho and not the players if we might have actually done something. And it seems like the players Mourinho had the biggest issues with are the ones that are currently causing us the most issues.
Such a reductive and ridiculous point of view. He was a prick, he contributed to the shitshow we're now in and we wouldn't have won any titles if he'd been backed we'd just have Maguire a year earlier.
Can we please shut the feck up about Ole, Jose etc? It's beyond tedious.
Can we please shut the feck up about Ole, Jose etc? It's beyond tedious.
His best signing was Fred and if rumours are to be believed he never even wanted him. Also Fred never played one decent game for jose.
Jose desperately wanted Maguire who is public enemy number 1
I am grateful for the 2 trophies but outside of that he brought nothing but misery and wad rightfully sacked
Jose desperately wanted Maguire who is public enemy number 1
I am grateful for the 2 trophies but outside of that he brought nothing but misery and wad rightfully sacked
and Rashford too. I think any one or two of Martial Pogba Rashford Lingard and now greenwood could have been carried/protected by more intense players but not all of them together. It was just turning way too spice boys and Jose saw it coming. Think about attribute wise Pogba was perfect. Nobody could tell the rest of the academy lads would start acting more like celebrities after he arrived or that Pogba would reject his coaching and any challenge he laid down for him. It feels like lads just shrug their shoulders and wait for the manager to get fired when things get tough and it’s worked for them over and over now
About Pogba? Yes
He was right with Pogba being a virus (harsh description imo but you got his point) He was right wanting to offload Martial which was only to be blocked by the Glazers on multiple occasions. He was right at the time to question Shaw's focus and professionalism. And he was right about Rashford not being a natural Centre Forward. And he was right the squad was too too soft.
But what does football manager Jose Mourinho know?
How to find fault in everything and fix nothing.