This all day, would love to see how they come to conclusions.
Refs & VAR 2021/22
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I have always been pro VAR but some of the decisions this season have done my head in. I really just can not understand what is going on sometimes. PL broadcast is worth billions but they can’t show me one angle to show the Ronaldo offside clearly but I am supposed to just take it because of these lines. Madness
I was shocked that the Xhaka goal wasn't disallowed. It's like they decided to ignore the rules because it was a nice finish.
Thing is they can’t come with some good conclussion. Thats is why they hide behind silence. They can’t say that are rules. We know what rules are. They know that we know that. Question is why we got those decisions? What are being said that we don’t know?
In this case it is about us but a couple of teams have been getting some ridiculous decisions against them like we have. On other hand you have some teams that get majority of decision for them.
If the blue line is arsenal it isn't even at the correct place which is why I thought the red line was arsenal.
It's at his toe not his heel ffs
Silly me, for some reason I thought it was to match the kit colours
as Arsenal was red in the penalty incident. Great first post by me, eh?When the offside player is that far from the keeper (past the penalty spot) it’s almost never given. I can’t remember the last time a goal was disallowed for screening/interference with the player that far away.
That’s because it happens so rarely. Doesn’t make the decision any less wrong. Especially choosing to not ask the referee to review the footage.
Whatever happened to "clear and obvious" errors? I mean, it you have to watch VAR for more than 10 seconds, it's really not clear and obvious.
Real horror show the refereeing in this game
I understand what you're saying but the very fact de gea had to step to his right to look around your attacker who was offside to see the ball is the very reason this rule is in existence. If it isn't used there itl never be used. He literally blocked the keepers view and he had to take a step to see the action.
I think all those decisions were correct. Too bad, caf becomes crying baby these days. Every decision is against united. Totally transformed into Liverpool fan 10 years agoMOTD
Cedric - not a pen
Elanga - if it’s outside box it’s a foul, but it’s not a pen
Xhaka goal - correct decision
Bruno - should’ve been sent off
Shearer is a grade A Bellend
Dawson foul on Lukaku today exactly the same as the foul by Tavaras on Elanga yesterday in the 14th minute. The only difference is the lack of VAR review yesterday... Held him back and zero attempt to play the ball. Red card and a pen.
Football is such a joke these days, VAR selective reviewing and generally is a big part of it. Along with time wasting and few other things. Ruining the sport.
Football is such a joke these days, VAR selective reviewing and generally is a big part of it. Along with time wasting and few other things. Ruining the sport.
Mane putting his finger/hand into Allan's (?) face there and got a yellow. Is that not a red?
For. Liverpool player? Have you lost your mind??
VAR is a disgrace at the moment. Just PL officials full stop.
Yesterday was abysmal at the Emirates and this Merseyside Derby is another farce
Yesterday was abysmal at the Emirates and this Merseyside Derby is another farce
It's just amazing there's barely a mention of it.
The selectivity of when a ref does and doesn’t get asked to look at footage is maddening. Every time they look at the footage they always upgrade the punishment. Never the opposite. And the decision about what does/doesn’t get reviewed is entirely arbitrary. It’s a completely broken system.
Would be easier to mention which games that isnt the case
Somehow the refs are worse with help.
One thing I'm sick to death of is "Anywhere else on the pitch and it's a freekick." Bullshit.
Can you think of a time when this should have been done ?
How about yesterday?!?
That was a soft penalty awarded to Arsenal. No worse than the challenge on Elanga in the first half. But because it went through a lengthy review the eventual outcome was inevitable. It happens all the time. We see penalties denied with an initial quick review, then almost identical challenges penalised after they’ve been looked at repeatedly.
Look at Chelsea’s penalty today vs the second half challenge on Elanga. I guaran-fecking-tee that any referee called to the sideline to have another look at that challenge on Elanga would have given us a penalty. Same thing would have happened with the Everton penalty shout today. But they got nothing because VAR chose not to get the referee to have another look.
It's really terrible. Genuinely don't know if it's sheer incompetence or worse....
Who’s on VAR today? Kenny Dalglish?
If this decision and the rest of the controversial ones the officials gave your way went against you would you sincerely hold this opinion.The more I rewatch the match, the more I am perplexed at how Arsenal won that match.
The club should make far more of a deal about the conduct of the officials yesterday, to top it all off the miserable git of a referee was winking at Arteta at the end of the game. Arsenal really should have lost that game by at least 2 goals and it's all being swept under the carpet because the man utd is shit narrative is already set in stone.
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Haha. Every week it seems.
Isn't putting your hand to someone's face a red regardless of whether you're picking their nose for them or giving them a slap ?
I’ve been going on about a challenge system since they introduced VAR and I really think it’s time to seriously consider it.
The fact that officials can pick and choose which decisions to look at and which not to look at has given us some really dodgy and biased refereeing this season. Remove the VAR official and replace him with a technician who just rolls the replays for the referee. A team can challenge any major decision (goal, penalty, red card offence) and keeps their challenge if the call is overturned in their favour, even if it’s not fully in their favour (player tackled, ref doesn’t give foul, team challenges for denying goalscoring opportunity and the ref changes the decision to foul and yellow, for example). A challenge would force the referee to the monitor and then he wouldn’t need the clear and obvious threshold to overturn himself, just basically balance of probabilities.
The fact that officials can pick and choose which decisions to look at and which not to look at has given us some really dodgy and biased refereeing this season. Remove the VAR official and replace him with a technician who just rolls the replays for the referee. A team can challenge any major decision (goal, penalty, red card offence) and keeps their challenge if the call is overturned in their favour, even if it’s not fully in their favour (player tackled, ref doesn’t give foul, team challenges for denying goalscoring opportunity and the ref changes the decision to foul and yellow, for example). A challenge would force the referee to the monitor and then he wouldn’t need the clear and obvious threshold to overturn himself, just basically balance of probabilities.
Because its true or its irrelevant?
Not actually. There is a get out clause that says that it’s not a red card if the force is negligible. However, it’s very often the case that negligible contact ends up with a red card anyway because they don’t judge the contact, they judge the reaction of the recipient. Allan should’ve gone down clutching his face, which just shows how ridiculous football is. We don’t want divers in the game but we punish those that don’t dive by fecking them over.
The rules and VAR need a serious looking at before next season
The fact goals like the one Boro scored against us are allowed says things are very wrong
The fact goals like the one Boro scored against us are allowed says things are very wrong
It should be irrelevant, shouldn't it? A foul's a foul.
Yep. If Elanga threw himself down yesterday like Lukaku did today, ref most likely gives it and it has to be a red (goalscoring opportunity, no attempt at playing the ball).
I think De Gea would actually have been better off if the Arsenal player was much more offside, I don't think he would have had to stretch so far to get a look at the ball. I might be remembering the Arsenal player being closer to the ball mind you, haven't watched any footage of the game back.
No I agree. I wasn't sure if you were arguing it's irrelevant, because I know people that say you need more to give a penalty than a fk, which is nonsense.
How did Everton not get a pen? That's mad.
I have actually seen the very same scenario in 2 different English matches in the past few months and both ended up being disallowed goals just not the one that that happened to us.
No idea. Ridiculous decision.
Is it true that Liverpool haven’t given away a league penalty this season ?
Refs are bent lads