Totally agree. By that logic we should get mkhitaryan back! it's always funny people mentioning "but but hes a world cup winner and champion with juventus!" yes he did well but both of these teams would have been favourites with or without pogba! exactly what his haters have been saying all along his awesome in a great team and shit in a mediocre one.
Pogba's contract offer
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Never been more let down by a united player. He's mugged us twice.
Have we withdrawn it with extreme prejudice yet?
You can say the same for any disappointing player though (Veron, Di Maria, Forlan, lingard etc)
He was instrumental in one of the few post-SAF trophies we have won. It's a low bar, and it may be time he moves on, but he didn't do nothing for the club as some have suggested.
Which of those players listed won player of the tournament as United wins a European trophy?
Lingard's FA cup final goal was class to be fair.
What logic are you referring to? How did you arrive at the conclusion that Mkhitarian should return to United based on an observation that Pogba did well for United during a tournament 5 years ago?
You're right.
He brought loads of negative attention to the club as well with his brother and agent whining over the years. Can't wait till he's officially out of the club.
He also brought some positive, for example winning player of the tournament for Europa League, which United won. Which was my point.
The Europa title is just a consolation that we're not good enough for the Champions league.
I don't disagree.
He wasn't.
I wish we’d publicly announce we’ve withdrawn our offer and wish Oogba all the best in his future career. We’re just sitting there like idiots while he stalls then announces his leaving for nothing.
You make the club sound like an innocent party - do you think this club, under the stewardship we have, has been a stand up organisation?
Do you think how this turned out is all on Pogba, or did the club not meet the basic requirements for purchasing a player like this?
Why bother if we weren't going to supplement him with the obvious system or players he needs?
There's an old saying; "One Swallow does not a Summer make" (there are variations on that).
Just singling out Pogba's isolated great moments and good spells of play (incl. the Europa final) shouldn't define the player over the whole of his time at Utd and his whole senior career.
For context, Pogba's spell at Juventus was when he was a newbie, a young kid breaking into the senior team.
A very good team, already with an experienced, senior, world class and powerful central midfield.
He left Utd and joined them aged 19 and returned back to us at 23 yrs old.
The French WC squad were already stacked with plenty of top talent.
I don't wish to take away from Pogba's excellent performances, as part of that team, however, back to context.
The international gatherings are just fleeting, part-time moments.
Pogba has now spent 6 seasons at Utd, since he returned.
That represents the majority of his senior career to date (age 23 to 29).
6 seasons of mostly inconsistent and sometimes dire contributions, where he's proved conclusively that although immensely gifted in many respects and even great, or even fantastic on some occasions, he is in no way a "World Class" player (what ever that means).
What would change if he stayed on?
I'm not even confident that his moving to another team will produce any more than just flashes of brilliance, or short periods of "form" from him.
As many others have said, he'll mostly be remembered for epitomising this sad, negative period in Utd's history.
Hopefully, in just a few weeks time, we can just forget about him and move on.
Just singling out Pogba's isolated great moments and good spells of play (incl. the Europa final) shouldn't define the player over the whole of his time at Utd and his whole senior career.
For context, Pogba's spell at Juventus was when he was a newbie, a young kid breaking into the senior team.
A very good team, already with an experienced, senior, world class and powerful central midfield.
He left Utd and joined them aged 19 and returned back to us at 23 yrs old.
The French WC squad were already stacked with plenty of top talent.
I don't wish to take away from Pogba's excellent performances, as part of that team, however, back to context.
The international gatherings are just fleeting, part-time moments.
Pogba has now spent 6 seasons at Utd, since he returned.
That represents the majority of his senior career to date (age 23 to 29).
6 seasons of mostly inconsistent and sometimes dire contributions, where he's proved conclusively that although immensely gifted in many respects and even great, or even fantastic on some occasions, he is in no way a "World Class" player (what ever that means).
What would change if he stayed on?
I'm not even confident that his moving to another team will produce any more than just flashes of brilliance, or short periods of "form" from him.
As many others have said, he'll mostly be remembered for epitomising this sad, negative period in Utd's history.
Hopefully, in just a few weeks time, we can just forget about him and move on.
Objectively he was.
No one is making this argument.
With his agent now gone, what's going to happen to him next?
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It seems like you didn't even watch the tournament you are talking about because the only thing you are bringing in this discussion is him winning the MVP award and nothing else.
Well if winning player of the tournament doesn't gives you enough proof that he was instrumental in that title I don't know what would.
Anyway it was a small time title, for the expectation and fee we paid for Pogba anyone expected much much more from him.
Tell me one memorable game Pogba had in this tournament post the group stage.
Even the final, Fellaini was actually our best player in it.
I wouldn't say any of those games were memorable, I can't remember any player being memorable to be honest.
That's what I'm saying. They gave him the award because they had no one else to gave it to. It happened several times during his first season here in particular, whenever they didny know which player should MOTM, they just gave it to Pogba.
But on the pitch, he was hardly that influential in our run to win the cup.
Even Raiola wasn’t going to be able to get him the kind of money he thinks he deserves. If the £500k from us is on the table, it’s going to be quite tempting for him to take it and unofficially retire.
Oh, that's funny, but isn't.
He’s already agreed to go elsewhere, I don’t think his agent dying will make much difference. I’m sure Raiola has an agency of people who take care of all the details.
For me, it wasn't really about his performances till the 18/19 season....the issue was that he stopped caring about playing for us truly after that. For me, he only actually had two seasons for us. Even then, he was never a good fit for the premier league imo. The league was too intense for him
"Basic requirements?" Hes a footballer, the basic requirement is that he plays football. Pogba met that basic requirement but nothing very much above that. As for the club, what "basic requirements" should they have installed to facilitate his playing for them? He was very well paid, with, no doubt, huge benefits and perks, he was never exactly over worked and he was free to play for France when ever he liked. No, the club didnt fail Pogba, he failed the club, he failed his team and he failed the supporters. The sooner he goes the better.
Yeah I agree, when no one stands out they usually give the MOTM to the most popular player.
Anyway, I'm not making any defense for Pogba. It was clearly a failure for both him and us, it's better for both to part ways.
If he doesn't have an agreement with any other club yet, the chances of him re-signing with United have surely gone up. Can't see him being able to negotiate a desirable offer now at any club he'd want to move.
Im rubbing my eyes at people STILL defending this car crash signing. An absolute, all round disaster and will be one of a handful of players that will evoke and epitomise this rotten decade
That reminds me of a girl I used to know
I think you misinterpret the word swallow here
Yep.
Most of those of us who backed him through all the cycle of excuses have long given up now.
Needing the right position, needing legs around him, needing the exact set of 2 very particular types of midfielder next to him. Having pace and quality ahead. Having pace and quality behind.
Was the worst world class player ever. Someone who needed a very particular set of circumstances to show it. Whereas a proper world class player lifts those around him.
Because Mkhitaryan was also one of our best players in this tournament
Then if he wants to continue playing he'll have to take a pay cut; under no circumstances should we give him a new contract, not for 1 season, not for 1 month, not for 1 week not for 1 day, not for any money.
That would be ideal, but without knowing the details, I'm guessing United's current offer is offering more salary than his current contract and has some sign-on fee for re-signing. That might end up being Pogba's best offer come the end of the summer.
This next move will completely define his career. Big choice.
I really dont give a rats what would be Pogbas best offer or whats best for him full stop. Keeping him is not good for the club, its not good for the team and its not good for the vast majority of the supporters. If the idiots on the board give him another contract then nothing will change.