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Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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The lads betrayed the good vibes
Let's just hope they listen to him.
He improved us initially, tightening the defence and seeing us create more. But in key games we didn't score enough from the chances we created and then everything fell to shit again.
His faults as a manager have been exagerrated by the squad effectively packing in completely once things went wrong but it's always been true that he wasn't good enough to be United manager. That's why he's the interim manager, a job exclusively for people who aren't deemed good enough to be hired permanently. It's also why it's strange to see him compared to actual permanent managers of the past.
A dissapointment but a fairly low surprise one. Once you're in the position we were in when we hired him, there's always a decent chance your emergency interim appointment fails. And if your emergency interim fails, there's always a decent chance the team packs it in completely as they have little reason to buy into the interim's authority. There's a reason most sides rarely go down the route we did with an extended interim appointment.
His faults as a manager have been exagerrated by the squad effectively packing in completely once things went wrong but it's always been true that he wasn't good enough to be United manager. That's why he's the interim manager, a job exclusively for people who aren't deemed good enough to be hired permanently. It's also why it's strange to see him compared to actual permanent managers of the past.
A dissapointment but a fairly low surprise one. Once you're in the position we were in when we hired him, there's always a decent chance your emergency interim appointment fails. And if your emergency interim fails, there's always a decent chance the team packs it in completely as they have little reason to buy into the interim's authority. There's a reason most sides rarely go down the route we did with an extended interim appointment.
Fair points and you wonder why he did not do that or at least tried
United have been woeful all season.
Ralf is obviously part of that, but when you are chopping up the pie and dishing out blame…he can’t have the biggest piece.
For starters his contribution has only been for half a season. His first choice staff were not available and he had zero money to spend.
I can’t look passed the players tbh. They deserve most of the blame.
Ralf is obviously part of that, but when you are chopping up the pie and dishing out blame…he can’t have the biggest piece.
For starters his contribution has only been for half a season. His first choice staff were not available and he had zero money to spend.
I can’t look passed the players tbh. They deserve most of the blame.
The squad don’t give a feck, which is why I suggested it’s a possibility. If the ship is sinking and your bosses don’t give a shit and are planning for the summer then what can you really do? Would explain why the players have also phoned in the entire season since he got here.
You think we managed to merge them all into one manager? That's quite an achievement tbf.
A mix of unprofessional lazy ego maniac and downright average players and a coach with no bite or authority is always going to end like this.
I have hope that the new manager will manage and get the new era into a different mindset.
Jettison 80 to 90% of current staff and do a total rebuild. I don't care how long it takes
The days of passengers like Pogba Rashford and Lingard etc have to be ended.
I have hope that the new manager will manage and get the new era into a different mindset.
Jettison 80 to 90% of current staff and do a total rebuild. I don't care how long it takes
The days of passengers like Pogba Rashford and Lingard etc have to be ended.
Exactly two more weeks then we'll never hear from this fraud again. No more bullshit about the miracles he's performing behind the scenes and we can finally close this feck awful thread and start looking forward to next season.
Just counting down the days now. Not even gonna bother with the Palace game as we'll get smashed. I think that will be the first game I've ever intentionally missed.
Just counting down the days now. Not even gonna bother with the Palace game as we'll get smashed. I think that will be the first game I've ever intentionally missed.
We also smiled a lot.
Given what Burnley have done since sacking Sean Dyche, we'd have been better giving the job to Neil Wood with Harry Maguire as his assistant till the end of the season.
Probably the most effective description of Ralf I've read. Definitely how I'd answer the question of "what was the godfather of gengenpressing like as a manager?"
Maybe completely underwhelming as a manger but he’s blown up the whole cozy scene at United, ripped the whole shit up and exposed just how rotten this club is. In his short time there’s been change at board level and recruitment and we’ve managed to land a manger that other top clubs would actually want. Losing out on top four is the short term pain we have to suffer to properly rebuild this club.
Say we got Conte, he would’ve finished fourth. A few ins and outs then eventually he’d have fallen out with some higher up and then the whole cycle would’ve started all over again.
Say we got Conte, he would’ve finished fourth. A few ins and outs then eventually he’d have fallen out with some higher up and then the whole cycle would’ve started all over again.
It’s not about the players. This league is so hard for him and beyond his capabilities. It’s as simple as that.
He's done no such thing unless you've got any proof. And he had nothing to do with the changes at board level either. Wow, people are so gullible, it's unreal.
Can you provide any evidence that the whole thing's blown up at United?
It's not as simple as that.
The players produced the same results under Ole as they have under Ralf. Two completely different managers with separate ideas and understanding of the game, yet the results are identical. Heavy defeats, no energy on the pitch, unable to effectively press for a period of no longer than 30 minutes, consistently overrun in midfield, repeatedly missing chances, constant defensive disasters regardless of who we play back there, whining to the media, leak after leak, disgrace after fecking disgrace.
That all happened while Ole was manager. It did. It absolutely fecking did. Why are you lot blaming Rangnick? Watch that Palace game, watch the players dart around the pitch like their lives depended on it. Take a look at the Palace players' faces and the utter shock they experienced in that first 30 minutes. We utterly dominated them in every sense of the word, confirming 100% that they all know how to play football at the highest level, but they decide when and where to produce it. They showed it under Ole and they're showing it again now. The players dictate what goes on in the dressing room and it's been that way for years now.
It's no coincidence that Ralf is ripping them apart in the press. He's doing it because they deserve it. How can you lot not see it?
Rangnick may or may not be up to par, I guess we'll never know, but does it even matter? This lot gave on him after 30 minutes, when it became clear to them they'd have to graft for a living rather than the easy lifestyle they had under Ole. Feck them all, kick them out and start again.
Surprised that Austria wanted him but then again it’s not like managing international football is the same with club football. However, let’s be honest, no matter how bad the players are, we shouldn’t be losing 4-0 to Brighton. From 2 points behind arsenal when Carrick beats Arsenal to 5 points behind arsenal with 3 games differences. Rangnick has to share the blame as well for the results. I just hope him being our consultant gives much much better and positive outcome where we want to be in the long term.
It’s an opinion, not a science paper.
It’s funny when the Ralf cult bases their entire argument on a 30 minute stretch 6 months ago and chooses to ignore the following 2,880 minutes we’ve played since that point.
I wish rangnick starts lingard, rashford, maguire, shaw, pogba, bailly and we get smashed 5 nil.
More like a conspiracy theory and you made it sound like a science paper with the amount of unsubstantiated detail in your comments. But it doesn't matter anyway. His acolytes won't be able to suck him off for much longer after he's humiliated us again at the Palace game. I'm just drawing comfort from the fact that we won't hear from him again after that.
You'll be the first one signing up to hear his tell all explosive interview on sky afterwards.
I suppose you’d rather still have Ole in charge telling everyone how close we are whilst begging Pogba to stay and proposing dear Rashy get a bumper pay rise because he’s top lad.
Some people will always prioritize short term papering over the cracks over long term. They'd rather get top 4 every season instead of dropping out by gutting the squad and challenging again in 4 years.
Nah I'm sure his drones will keep me updated on here. He'll probably get asked about United after every Austrian match anyway. Sorry to upset you but unless you're going to be following the Austrian national team, you won't be hearing from this fraud again.
Well he's certainly been a lot worse than Ole. There was a reason why Ole got the permanent gig when he came in as interim. There's no way on this earth that United would offer Rangnick the job full time after this lame duck performance.
"It's not that simple"
*proceeds to write 5 paragraphs about how it happened under the previous manager (after 3 years), therefore it must be the players*
Amad cant even get a game at Rangers, VDB cant even get on at Everton and we want them on at United?
Recruitment has been sub par so far, not all the fault of the scouting department, players might be suffering from low confidence due to how toxic the club is.
I think the summer clearout will weed a lot of the problems out of the club. Lingard running his mouth with stories in the media doesnt help, Pogba and his drama, old players that are past it.
The squad has been bloated for too long and needs streamlined and built upon with the right mix of experience and quality rather than players that can play multiple positions, jack of all trades master of none.
Is this satire?!
Thankfully just 90 minutes more of the godfather of bullshitting.
& yet Tuchel got Chelsea playing their way almost instantly.
players simply do not give a feck nor do they respect him
See, now I'm confused by the whole Ralf cult thing, probably because I haven't paid much attention to the thread until now.
But I thought you could only be a cult member if you were Ole In - which I very much was - and you spoke against Rangnick in order to vindicate Ole, rather than for him.
Or can we use "you're a cultist!" when we disagree with someone but lack a valid argument with which to respond?
I'm not sure what you mean mate.
When we got eliminated by Atletico on Feb 24, we were actually fourth in the Premier League with Arsenal 1 point behind us. However, they had two games in hand, so basically we were maximum 5 points away from top 4 at that point. Still quite salvageable.
A bit of a crazy idea I know but perhaps a more reactive board (Watford, Real Madrid etc) could have realized it wasn't working out as an interim manager for Rangnick and asked him to move into his consultancy role right there and then. Then either ask Carrick back (enough family time for you, Michael!) or promote the U-23 manager like Burnley did and give it a final "what the heck, might as well!" shot at top 4. Best case scenario, we'd actually get it. Worst case scenario, we end up 8th or below - which is better than the conference anyway.
And for the record, I quite like Rangnick, but it's been clear since Feb as a manager he's completely unsuited to get any sort of results with the big egos we have. He talks like a pundit in press conferences. There's a good reason why successful managers at top clubs (SAF included) usually come out with a lot of bull and protect their players in the public. As much as some fans enjoy the players 'getting exposed', you can't spend months telling the whole world how shit your players are then expect other clubs to buy them comes the summer for your rebuild.
And for all this talk of the dossier, ten Hag would rather get handed Champions League qualification from the interim manager, I reckon.
A bit of a crazy idea I know but perhaps a more reactive board (Watford, Real Madrid etc) could have realized it wasn't working out as an interim manager for Rangnick and asked him to move into his consultancy role right there and then. Then either ask Carrick back (enough family time for you, Michael!) or promote the U-23 manager like Burnley did and give it a final "what the heck, might as well!" shot at top 4. Best case scenario, we'd actually get it. Worst case scenario, we end up 8th or below - which is better than the conference anyway.
And for the record, I quite like Rangnick, but it's been clear since Feb as a manager he's completely unsuited to get any sort of results with the big egos we have. He talks like a pundit in press conferences. There's a good reason why successful managers at top clubs (SAF included) usually come out with a lot of bull and protect their players in the public. As much as some fans enjoy the players 'getting exposed', you can't spend months telling the whole world how shit your players are then expect other clubs to buy them comes the summer for your rebuild.
And for all this talk of the dossier, ten Hag would rather get handed Champions League qualification from the interim manager, I reckon.
100% agree. If you're going to use the same solutions over and over to fix a problem then you're at fault. He should've at least given Van de Beek a small run of games as a 6/8 before the window opened up to assess but he didn't once. He didn't give our only natural right winger in the squad, Amad, a minute's worth of gameplay either, which forced them both to go on loan when we could've done with having them available for the second half of the season. Not giving Bailly one opportunity is a complete joke as well, he's miles ahead of Maguire and Lindelof at defending. Then there's the youth situation where he refuses to use anyone other than Elanga, maybe because he's the only one with a raging 8 pack and Rangnick loves that shit. He's deflected his car crash of a tenancy onto the players consistently without taking any blame himself.
VDB is injured and actually started games when he was fit. In Amad's case, youth players tend to need more time to get up to speed in a new environment.
There's more than few flaws to that pattern of thought anyway (judging how good players are based on the teams they're playing/not playing for currently). For one I'm not sure this version of Rashford would start at Rangers. Would Elanga on his weak side? Adama didn't start for Wolves half the time and I'd have went into my own pocket to buy a 6 months worth supply of baby oil to get him on loan in January.
Sometimes players aren't a good fit. I think Mazraoui is a fantastic player for example, but he'd accomplish feck all Burnley. On the other they'd love to have AWB, I think. Recruitment isn't just about the quality of players. Like you said, they need to fit a position and a style of play.
Fair enough mate. Thought the 30 min at Palace vs the 2,880 min after Palace was a valid argument. Ralf has said it himself that he hasn’t been good enough. I mean, no one here is absolving the players of responsibility, we’re just saying that although Ralf was literally asked to make us better, he has failed to do so. There’s plenty of blame to go around, and Ralf certainly deserves some of it.
Ive watched Amad anytime hes started and he looks lost, think he needed to go to a championship club that would play him week in week out, Derby would have been good. Gets him into English football and up to speed with the pressure and physicality of whats required, plus game time. At Rangers he looks tactically unaware of what hes doing and only gets sub appearances now.VDB is injured and actually started games when he was fit. In Amad's case, youth players tend to need more time to get up to speed in a new environment.
There's more than few flaws to that pattern of thought anyway (judging how good players are based on the teams they're playing/not playing for currently). For one I'm not sure this version of Rashford would start at Rangers. Would Elanga on his weak side? Adama didn't start for Wolves half the time and I'd have went into my own pocket to buy a 6 months worth supply of baby oil to get him on loan in January.
Sometimes players aren't a good fit. I think Mazraoui is a fantastic player for example, but he'd accomplish feck all Burnley. On the other they'd love to have AWB, I think. Recruitment isn't just about the quality of players. Like you said, they need to fit a position and a style of play.
Didnt realise VDB was injured, last I noticed was he was being used as a sub, strange the last 2 United managers didnt fancy using him. Ive nothing against him, I thought he was tidy and put a shift in and wouldve been of more use with us than out on loan.
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