So you need to work for the club first to tell Lingard that leaking news to outsider is a thing you should never do??
Jesse Lingard 'to leave on a free'
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Good, saves ETH some time and effort
Don’t try and pretend you’re from Manchester when you’re from Warrington! Not even the same county.
If (and it's a big if) Gary knew where the leaks were coming from, he probably felt staying quiet about it was in the best interests of the club, as releasing that information would do more harm than good. At the time he made the comment, United were still in with a shout of top four and in still in the FA Cup.
I have champagne in the fridge waiting to go.
Yeah I'm coming around to the idea that is one of our bigger problems.
You look at us bringing Ronaldo through and it can be seen as semi successful - he spent his best years elsewhere though so its a bit of a black mark and he was a useful player more or less the day he arrived, rather than us plucking him from obscurity and developing him into a world class player.
But then on the other side we built a future team of De Gea, the da silva twins, jones, smalling, nani, anderson all for sizable fee's and with the benefit of hindsight it just didn't work out well for us at all. And they're the success stories really - for each of them theres a dozen gibsons or buttners or obertans.
Same with the team and idea we built around recently. We gave Martial and Rashford in particular this crazy opportunity to lead the line for one of the biggest clubs in the world backed up by shaw, wan bisakka and mctominay with the idea we'd turn them into world class players. Even lingard and pereira got a good 6 months. And its kind of delusional when looked at in the cold light of day 3 years on.
You can develop players but turning wan bisakka into a ball playing full back is over rating our ability to improve players by such an outrageous margin it hurts. McTominay was shoe horned into a dm position that he's completely unsuited to because ... reasons? He doesn't have enough instagram followers to feature in a position higher up the pitch? There was no one else?
Martial and Rashford rather than being eternally grateful for the incredible opportunity and working their guts out for the guy who gave them a chance decided they were too tired to run after 6 months due to playing regularly and that they'd leave the defending to the peasants behind them. They'd arrived and their greatness was finally being recognised, after that know nothing, amateur Mourinho gave them grief. They didn't need to work on their game.
Lingard and Pereirra would have gotten a substitute appearance or 2 in a dead rubber and moved on more or less immediately 20 years ago. They'd have nothing but good things to say about the club afterwards. For some reason both are still Manchester United players
And there’s nothing wrong with wanting it to happen but we need to stop thinking every player we develop deserves five years in the first team because ‘class of 92’. That lot didn’t get and stay in the team because Ferguson thought he was obligated to do it - it happened because they were bloody brilliant players.
Scholes didn’t spend two years walking around the pitch thinking he had eight-stone bollocks with everyone being fine with it because he was a ‘local lad’. Someone is either good enough or not. Not being good enough but getting 300 games because he’s a local lad is nonsense
Talking about Manchester and Greater Manchester.
A 45+ page thread on his leaving the club is a perfect send off gift to JLingz.
His clothing line will take a bigger nose-dive than Graeme McDowall's...
I am having a party, you are all invited!
Yeah I knew Greenwood was from Bradford, but always thought Lingard was Mancunian having heard him speak in fairness.
I really don't care mate
what a drama queen.If what Moyes said is true, Ole rejected his approach for Lingard, then why do you think West Ham needs to put in a bid? Didn't make any sense on WH part to put in a bid and negotiate if the manager already said no.
Have you ever follow any United transfer saga all this years?
Good. You little wirepuller
You ok?
Warrington is only 18 miles from Manchester and Lingard joined the Man United academy at 8 years old, so I think that is enough to call him a local lad surely.
Ole did not have control over transfers. Moyes knows this so what Ole told him is totally irrelevant but in case you missed it, the point I was making is that if Jesse had submitted a transfer request then West Ham may well have bid but instead he said he wanted to stay and fight for his place.
If what Moyes said is true, Ole rejected his approach for Lingard, then why do you think West Ham needs to put in a bid? Didn't make any sense on WH part to put in a bid and negotiate if the manager already said no.
Have you ever follow any United transfer saga all this years?
Jesse Who?
Could be doing with him on the pitch very soon
He will end up at Roma. Jose loved him.
Can't believe we didn't kick him out the door in January for a fiver.
One of the worst decisions in recent times, and that's saying something.
One of the worst decisions in recent times, and that's saying something.
More diabolical business from United, would have saved £2.5m on wages as well as benefitting from a loan fee by letting him go to Newcastle on loan. Add it to the long list of idiotic moves under Woodward. Willians & Tuanzebe are another two who should be sold this summer as there not good enough, I've no great faith either will be sold.
Has he gone yet?
Can't wait until he does and this thread gets locked
Can't wait until he does and this thread gets locked
I don't think Woodward was even there at this point. I don't necessarily agree with these assesment either-- which surprises me because I cannot stand him-- but I think we would have been more lenient if not for the Greenwood situation, I think we only wanted to keep him just incase we needed him after that and that if we were to let him go it would have to be for a good price to justify losing another player after losing Greenwood. Besides, we've been shafted for so long in selling players, Newcastle are now a Saudi backed club with riches well beyond ours, they should have paid up if they really wanted him.
fecking state of this lad.
Imagine not playing for an entire year and thinking you're worth more than 150k a week.
I'd be shocked if someone paid him 50k a week at this point.
These two briefs contradict each other, they're stating on one hand that United's valuation put them off in Jan - but now 4 months on his wage demands are too high? Wouldn't the wages have also been an issue in Jan, even if we'd been giving him away for free?
No doubt United acted like idiots (as usual) here, but someone is talking shite here.
Why did United act like idiots?
United tried to get a hugely inflated fee for a player for a change, made no difference to United whether he went or not.
This is Newcastle trying to claim that they will adhere to their wage structure publicly so that a) future signings won't try and hold them for ransom knowing they have cash, and b) trying to lower the expectations froim their fans, some of whom seemed to think they would be able to buy anyone and everyone.
United thought they had Newcastle over a barrel because they had just been bought by owners with a bottomless pit of money, so demanded a high fee for a player who has been patchy at best and who would become a free agent a few months later.
Newcastle rightly told them to feck off for the reasons you've stated above, and we were stuck for half a season with an unhappy player who we continue to pay to sit and the bench, fuel the toxicity in the dressing room, and constantly leak to the press.
I stayed in Warrington when I went to a festival in Manchester.
Twas a strange town, with an eery atmosphere. the people would stare at me whispering to one another then scurry into the shadows when I approached. One friendly shopkeeper told me "we don't get many visitors round these ways. not since the last ones went missing. The kids be saying there are strange goings ons here. talk of devil worshipping and sacrificing and all that Jazz. Don't believe nun o than myself"
So why were United idiots?
It's a sellers market, the selling club can demand what they like, had he gone on loan United would still have to pay his wages no doubt. Most on here wouldn hvae probably complained had we ended up sending him on loan yet carried on paying his wages.
Am yet to see any tangible evidence that Lingard was toxic in the dressing room or leaked stories/teams to the press, unless you can enlighten me?
As far as I can can tell, Jesse wanted a free transfer as that would give him a greater capacity to choose where he wanted to go, so stayed at the club and trained everyday bar a few days where he asked for time off.
United would have had to cover some (or all?) of his wages if he’d gone on loan. Now Newcastle would have to pay them all themselves.
This is as clear of a leak as it gets
I dont think it's his fault but he should keep his mouth shut
He must think the LJingz brand is actually more valuable than what it really is
Feckers thought they could lowball us. West Ham too made the same mistake.
After holding out for his massive "free transfer" payday, no one thinks he is worth it Delicious
DeliciousNewcastle already doing better business than us...
Newcastle was desperate back in January, now they aren't and it's clear he isn't worth the trouble.
Rejected by Newcastle, new contract? Or a reflection on the value of other players we have eg martial