Glad Canelo lost I have no respect for him at all after all the dodgy decisions he has gotten over the years.
Nice to see for once it still wasn't enough to save him
Nice to see for once it still wasn't enough to save him
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I cannot understand how a challenger gets a rematch clause when he loses a title fight. its so fecking stupid. Anybody else but Canelo and the world moves on due to how one sided it was
Well I didn't expect to wake up to the news of canelo losing to bivol.
I figure the size difference is just to big to overcome.
I figure the size difference is just to big to overcome.
I don't think Bivol is too upset about making double/triple in a rematch tbh
Wait people were genuinely thinking he had any chance against an average cruiserweight not to mention the heavyweight champion of the world.Somewhat amusing considering the talk beforehand of him taking on Usyk
Bivol has always been a highly rated fighter waiting for a break out so it was a tough assignment for Canelo. It did look like the size caught up with him.
I am full of admiration for him for the challenges he has taken in his career. He hasn't been prepared to simply take easy fights or settle in a division and earn a legacy that way and that is commendable, no matter what we think of one or two decisions. He's not a light heavyweight and never will be, but he can compete and that in itself shows what a great fighter he's been.
I do suspect he's on something though with the way he can make these weights so easily. It doesn't take away from his technical skill but I feel it is a black mark over his career.
I am full of admiration for him for the challenges he has taken in his career. He hasn't been prepared to simply take easy fights or settle in a division and earn a legacy that way and that is commendable, no matter what we think of one or two decisions. He's not a light heavyweight and never will be, but he can compete and that in itself shows what a great fighter he's been.
I do suspect he's on something though with the way he can make these weights so easily. It doesn't take away from his technical skill but I feel it is a black mark over his career.
All of them are on something .
Probably. Alvarez is just a bit more blatant.
Yeah, he got busted for it a while ago , clenbuterol I think.
Said it was due to him eating a stake outside his training camp
I'm amazed it took this long. Callum Smith should be embarrassed getting beat by such a smaller guy. Kovalev I'll forgive as being over the hill.
It never stops in boxing. The judges are as bent as they ever come.
To be fair even though Eddie is a proper wanker he just said canelo told him so.
Canelo is a middleweight anything above is pushing it .
In fact while I admire his record (easily the best of his generation) any goat middleweight like Hagler or Carlos monzon (or the GOAT himself sugar ray Robinson though he was welterweight) should have him beat rather comfortably.
Not to mention the all time lightweight goats.
Anyway still a very impressive streak by canelo.
I think Bivol is actually just a really good fighter so that's a problem in addition to the size. Whereas Callum Smith had the size but ultimately not the class. I'd imagine Beterbiev would have been similarly problematic because he has the size and the class, and more punch power than Bivol too.
Obviously the higher he goes the less the fighters need to be of his calibre to challenge and potentially beat him. But they only had him lined up to fight Makabu at cruiser who was probably the softest touch available, the way he got battered by Bellew was poor. That was probably just scoping the waters. But I guess that idea is off the cards now and he'd be better off at middle or super middle, I think he hinted as much himself.
Obviously the higher he goes the less the fighters need to be of his calibre to challenge and potentially beat him. But they only had him lined up to fight Makabu at cruiser who was probably the softest touch available, the way he got battered by Bellew was poor. That was probably just scoping the waters. But I guess that idea is off the cards now and he'd be better off at middle or super middle, I think he hinted as much himself.
The thing to bear in mind is that Canelo, despite being completely outboxed, was - thanks to the judges - pretty close to winning the fight. And that is what he will be holding on to.
So I think Canelo will run it back. Beterbiev fights Smith Jr next month and will most likely win, so Canelo could (potentially) beat Bivol and then fight Beterbiev for all the belts.
It's a ridiculous sport but I can see Canelo sneaking a points decision next time around and the judges stinking the place out.
So I think Canelo will run it back. Beterbiev fights Smith Jr next month and will most likely win, so Canelo could (potentially) beat Bivol and then fight Beterbiev for all the belts.
It's a ridiculous sport but I can see Canelo sneaking a points decision next time around and the judges stinking the place out.
At the end of the bell Canelo put his hand up and did the showboating. Then the 115-113 scores were being read out. I was thinking ''oh not again...''
Is callum Smith another overhyped British product? I mean the guy is freakishly tall for that weight (have no idea how he gets it that low) and still seems kinda lackluster to be honest.
Scores were comical but at least the right man got it. I had it 118-110 and could see a case for 119-109. Canelo was never in the fight and just got outclassed.
Who are the other overhyped British products out of interest?
Conor Benn
Just the one then?
Can't agree there. The lad's a good fighter already and still young.
Just find the hype they generate to be too much for example haye, eubank jr, carl froch and many others.
Some genuinely good boxers but I feel the hype machine goes too far at times.
The likes of Fury, Taylor for example didn’t turn out bad. In fact, they reached heights that exceeded their hype but I do get what you’re saying.
They're great fighters but I don't think they're particularly good examples of not being overhyped. People talk about GOAT status and whatnot but which Tyson are you backing in their primes? And Taylor is superbly skilful, awesome to watch but that Belgian sack of meat beat her up just through brute force IMO.
Funnily enough fury wasn't your media darling (Joshua had a lot more media attention thrown his way) maybe due to being more controversial perhaps.
Maybe it's just due to us being rather lackluster at the moment so the media attention is shifted to uk because of the lingua franca and all that.
I don't think Froch was overhyped. He had a fantastic career all things considered. David Haye perhaps. He had the talent though but his failings were injuries/attitude.
I think Froch got every ounce of what he put into boxing to the point he perhaps overachieved based on pure ability. That’s because he was very willing to challenge himself apart from being openly scared of GGG. I didn’t think he’d beat Pascal, many felt Abraham was gonna beat him, Bute was strongly favored too and he silenced doubters with the Groves rematch. Not a pound for pound player or an hall of famer, but a fine career nonetheless.
Joshua was carefully constructed inside and outside the ropes. Unfortunately, it appears his finest hour - the Klitschcko win - was the fight which appears to have taken a lot of his fire. He appeared willing to go through hell to win a battle. Now, not so much.
Fury wasn’t given a prayer against Wladimir, the boring nature of the fight didn’t exactly excite people, nor did his meltdown after it, he gained some luster back with the Wilder fights and he’s became more likable too. In fact, his last three fights, he’s been very exciting whereas previously he was a bit boring in the ring.
The thing about Joshua is that he really isn't a natural boxer , fury derides him for it (calling him stiff and all that) and honestly I feel there's a degree of truth to it, he just feels off at times like a fish out of water , it was severely visible in the usyk match where he was clearly outclassed.
I'm not taking credit away for him as he truly is a consummate professional in terms of working hard, the problem is he really isn't excessively blessed in one area to make up for his shortcomings (he doesn't have the best chin, best knockout power or endurance) , to me he's a better version of frank Bruno.
I never understood why fury didn't get they hype he deserved ( i was very impressed by his showing against Wladimir as you could argue he beat the better version of an all time great much more easily than the rusty version that Joshua gone to war with) but he might be on the cusp of achieving that if he goes for the undisputable title match.
Anyway I might be made a fool of and Joshua actually proves me wrong but we'll see.
I watched all of Fury's early fights and he looked crap and out of shape a lot in his early career. He was gifted a referee decision against a British level journeyman called John McDermott in his 8th fight! He even took a rematch against him McDermott which tells you that it was a gift. Against Kevin Cunningham he was put on his backside by a much smaller man and resorted to leaning on him against the ropes to wear him down to secure the win. Fury just didn't look that good and had a weak resume. That's why few thought he would beat Klitschko.
I think Usyk beats Joshua again, possibly by late stoppage next time and I give Usyk almost a 50/50 shot with Fury. I think Usyk is the best fighter in the world and he’d present a lot of stylistic problems for Fury.
i wouldn’t be surprised if Usyk loses the rematch, I can’t see him being fully focused for this one.
I agree.
I held a high interest in usyk's career since his triumph in 2012 Olympics along with his compatriot lomachenko.
Loma seems to have problems in acclimatizeing with more physical nature of the pro scene but usyk seems to have adapted just fine.
I don’t think much phases Usyk. He’ll get focused for sure.
They're all bloody overhyped! That's a promoters job. Fighters are a one man brand.
If the buzz doesn't exceed their abilities you're either talking about a shit promoter, a boring fighter that has no backing or somebody that is truly exceptional. Exceptional is exceptional because it doesn't happen that often so that's why their reach always seems to exceed their grasp.
We're good at the hype machine in the UK because it's a small country, with a good casual fanbase and therefore there's tons of easy money to be exploited.
If the buzz doesn't exceed their abilities you're either talking about a shit promoter, a boring fighter that has no backing or somebody that is truly exceptional. Exceptional is exceptional because it doesn't happen that often so that's why their reach always seems to exceed their grasp.
We're good at the hype machine in the UK because it's a small country, with a good casual fanbase and therefore there's tons of easy money to be exploited.
Amir Khan has announced his retirement
long overdue.
He’s had a good career, but maybe the highlights of his career are the lowlights - Garcia, Canelo KO, Brook.