And Spurs brought in a experienced and demanding coach, and reinforced in January. We were in a rot, a rot that was well and truly set by the time RR got here.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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spurs were a fecking laughing stock. Their captain publicly announced he wanted to leave on television ffs.
Lets not revise history here.
And we had EVERY opportunity to bring in their manager.
Well, yeah sure, summer 2021 we finish R-U in PL, R-U in Europa League & add quality players (Ronaldo, Sancho & Varane) & not only could we not get a top 4 place this season but we could even finish lower than 6th if WHU win & Palace beat us tomorrow. Ole was bad but when RR took charge 4th place was not beyond us.
Any decent manager will trust their own instinct with the squad management. He will make mistakes as everyone manager does. But it would not mean he should have absolutely listened to Ralf who was a disaster with his own squad management.
Realistically, no manager should be coming in to get rid of 10 + players while at best the club would be able to sign only 4 players (being out of CL and the limited budgets compared to other top clubs) and who knows how many of those new signings will be useful. The manager still has to balance out and be good on everyone's side while changing things gradually.
Complete and utter nonsense.
Ralf came in after a draw against Chelsea and wins against Villareal and Arsenal.
Carrick had stopped the rot and steadied the ship and then Ralf has come in and sunk it.
Why are you talking about revising history and suggesting Lloris announced he wanted to leave on tv?
His influence died after 45 mins.
Bit of a disaster
Bit of a disaster
Ralfs comments are out!
Ouch
Ouch
I'd really like to know who suggested him in the first place. It was obvious that Ole needed to leave, but to bring RR? Utter madness
This is the league table since he took over. It's not as bad as I thought. Though given that this Manchester United squad is man-for-man better than Tottenham, Arsenal and Newcastle, he really should have done a much better job. Tuchel's collapse is probably the most surprising thing here.
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This is the league table since he took over. It's not as bad as I thought. Though given that this Manchester United squad is man-for-man better than Tottenham, Arsenal and Newcastle, he really should have done a much better job. Tuchel's collapse is probably the most surprising thing here.
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Ouch? I didn't find them particularly controversial. Away from the sensationalist headlines:
- He admits he should have done better and never got the balance right
- Says it's hard to press with a squad that wasn't put together for pressing football
- Puts a fast turnaround time on us improving if we sign against Ten Hag's ideals
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Pretty common sense comments but then it's not like it should have been a surprise that the squad wasn't able to play a pressing game. That was well flagged in advance, including the more specific issues around Ronaldo he mentions. Not sure what else we expected really.
The Ronaldo one was pretty ouchey If you're Ronaldo.
I expected more from him. Like the first Palace game. I am waiting to see if he is allowed to say what exactly happened?
You can play for 60 mins like that and when we run out of gas, bring in the subs, change the system and hold on. I feel his and even ole's and I would say ETH's biggest problem would be lack of couple of players who can actually keep possession, especially under pressure. Ralf keep talking about being physically weak and I think he is saying that we lose possession too easily. I think the sacked scouting team is right in that Bruno loses possession too easily. None of our players are capable of keeping it.
You can play for 60 mins like that and when we run out of gas, bring in the subs, change the system and hold on. I feel his and even ole's and I would say ETH's biggest problem would be lack of couple of players who can actually keep possession, especially under pressure. Ralf keep talking about being physically weak and I think he is saying that we lose possession too easily. I think the sacked scouting team is right in that Bruno loses possession too easily. None of our players are capable of keeping it.
It’s also bollocks. We played games without Ronaldo and looked equally shite from a pressing perspective.
Nah. He says it was the same with quite a few other players too and that's why they had to change things, but it being true of other players as well doesn't change the fact that Ronaldo was always the most obvious player who didn't suit that style of play. We were openly discussing it as a problem as soon as Rangnick was appointed, it's not like it was any sort of surprise.
If he was saying it was just Ronaldo then he'd be talking bollocks, but he very explicitly isn't saying that.
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I find it hard to believe a good manager couldn’t have got players like Fred, McTominay, Sancho, Elanga, Bruno, Wan-Bissaka and Varane to play pressing football. You can say what you want about how good they are but that’s 7 players who should definitely be physically up to it or have already played for pressing teams before.
Having half of the team pressing and the other half not is not the answer.
Murtough & it’s been WELL documented since. Feck even in the press release at the time it was documented that Murtough suggested him
Not going into why Murtough is the right man for the job. Because he is. & so was RR at the time. It just hasn’t worked out. That happens sometimes.
7 out of 10 outfield players is hardly half and you don’t need 10 physical specimens to press successfully. Klopp’s Liverpool pressed teams while playing players like Lucas Leiva and Joe Allen who are hardly players you’d associate with a pressing team.
Could well be at seventh after the last game.
This is the league table since he took over. It's not as bad as I thought. Though given that this Manchester United squad is man-for-man better than Tottenham, Arsenal and Newcastle, he really should have done a much better job. Tuchel's collapse is probably the most surprising thing here.
I love how there are so many armchair experts on how high press actually works. All I know is that Klopp and Pep get paid millions of pounds a year for being really good at coaching it but they still had to massively restructure their squads and it still took ages.
And yet the blowhards round here don't understand why it didn't happen overnight in our pitiful corrupt wreck of a club.
And yet the blowhards round here don't understand why it didn't happen overnight in our pitiful corrupt wreck of a club.
Fair enough quotes, it was very obvious we couldn't sustain a pressing game. I've said it a million times but the problem wasn't just Ronaldo-he'd press from the centre, look around and realise his wingers weren't doing it in unison which makes it a pointless waste of energy- but he also factored into it.
If there's one thing I hope he's made the board understand it's that the players have to be the right profile for the manager
If there's one thing I hope he's made the board understand it's that the players have to be the right profile for the manager
Yeah, like how about you were just shit the whole time you was here.
You need 10 outfield players to press 10 outfield opponents (and the gk). One man less will get torn to shreds. You're better off falling back and shrinking the pitch if you don't have everyone pressing. Pressing also starts from the front so you're not winning the ball back when the opponent's GK or CB is free. That's a futile waste of energy.
This is so obviously true that it feels like it shouldn't need saying. I can only assume the people who don't know this are snoozing on the sofa during games and only look up when a goal is scored. Or just watch Match of the Day and think Jermaine Jenas is a tactical genius.
Thank you Ralf for turning the heat on and opening our eyes to know how deep the rot is.
Not just. It's the accumulated psychological sickness that's been rotting away the core of the club.
Run your fcking heart out for the shirt. Was there really that much more that was asked of this lot?
Ronaldo is 37 and just behind top scorers a decade younger than him. Ralf mentions him by name as part of the need to change the press expectations but I think it's veiled. He also mentions other players who couldn't...or perhaps would not. There's no excuse for them.
So I don't think it's a case of it just didn't work out. I think it's a case of a no nonsense tactician coming in and calling a duck a duck. And many of the rotten core at United couldn't take it. The quickest downing of tools we've seen yet from this lot.
Starts with blaming armchair experts talking about high press and then talks like he knows how the high press works.
Lukaku is hardly a pressing monster and Chelsea press so well.
Other clubs - good at execution.
ManUtd - awesome at coming up with excuses and fan lap it up. So can't blame them.
Also giving Klopp as an example, just go and check how they changed their playing style from game 1 when Klopp took over in October, they didn't win but their playing style changed from game 1.
You also need to have a footballing brain to press. Having Maguire, AWB, McTominay and Rashford in the team and try to press is madness.
Coincidentally football player gets the brain when good manager is appointed.
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I can almost see a certain player saying that training should be ‘fun’ in real time.
Don't know what to believe. TenHag should just do things his way and disregard these players.
Good for them, tbh. Imagine if Carrick and McKenna stayed. They would 100% have been made the scapegoats for our failures under Rangnick by a lot of fans. The narrative would have been "Rangnick tried but couldn't implement his gegenpressing with our jobs-for-the-boys coaches.".
I'm certain these players are leaving
It's said that when ten Hag joined Utrecht some years back, the players at the club went to the board asking for ten Hag's dismissal. And when asked by a board member as to why they felt that way, the players responded by saying the training sessions were extremely taxing and they were struggling to cope.
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