Rangnick has a win % of 37% here. Gary Neville was at 36% at Valencia
Who was worse - Rangnick or Ole?
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Ok I sort of agree but I'll make a stronger assertion.
I believe any decent man manager would've had the squad playing for them just fine for 6-8 months. No doubt in my mind that guys like Conte, Zidane, Tuchel etc would've put the players in line even if they were just interims.
I'm pretty sure Ten Hag will sort out the mess no problem.
In terms of a manager attempting to get performances and results out of the team, Ralf did the sum total of feck all. It isn't even a contest.
Ralf has had a shocker, but I suspect there’s more to it and time will tell.
Both were disastrous but, on balance, Ralf was worse.
Failed Cardiff manager broke this team to pieces. In all areas. Pep and Klopp together could not repair this in current season.
Ralf inherited team with low fitness level, uncoached team, spoiled team ("trainings must be fun" and team loaded with players who can't pass the ball.
Ralf inherited team with low fitness level, uncoached team, spoiled team ("trainings must be fun" and team loaded with players who can't pass the ball.
Ole hands down. Although it’s a silly question considering the completely different circumstances both managers found themselves in.
Really silly pointless thread. I’m glad ole has gone, For some reason the players wouldn’t play for RR.
i blame the players rather than RR
i blame the players rather than RR
Ragnick, objectively Ole given the resources at his disposal and the fact he clearly had the confidence of the board he was unable to capitalise.
Ragnick I can only describe as a disaster. No other words come to mind. He was supposed to rejuvenate the team to get top four and failed miserably. Players 100% responsible but the manager also has just as much culpability.
Ragnick I can only describe as a disaster. No other words come to mind. He was supposed to rejuvenate the team to get top four and failed miserably. Players 100% responsible but the manager also has just as much culpability.
I cannot believe people on here think Ole is better than Radnick , the shower of shite Ole left behind I should imagine Pep or Klopp would struggle , the football Ole had us playing was utter shite and there was no way Ralph could have turned a load of over payed under worked lazy twats around in such a short space of time .
I’ve just renewed my season tickets and fingers crossed Ten Haag can sort out what’s going to be left of this bag of shite !!!!!!
I’ve just renewed my season tickets and fingers crossed Ten Haag can sort out what’s going to be left of this bag of shite !!!!!!
You cant really compare but if you really want to force it, hoping to somehow change perception, its like this, there is no universe where a failed interim manager with the context, how bad he performed as manager with all low win % and similar shit is worse than guy before him.
Ole spent 3 years
- to build most unfit bunch that cant press more than 5 min to save their lifes (his goal was to make a fit squad because JM left him unfit aswell)
- to build most disliked bunch of pricks in United`s history
- to build a squad that looked so clueless how to play football if you dont let them counter attack, apsolutely clueless in final third, made people wonder what they were doing on training ground
- under him players that should have been released years ago got their contract extensions (hope at least they pay him some cut)
- he gave a captaincy to someone who wasnt more than 10 min a United player ( and he supposed to know/understand United DNA lal, from people like Keane, Vidic etc. to a brick head that did feck all to deserve it on the first place)
- to waste 300mil. plus on players like our captain, AWB etc.
Ole wasted 3 years of our lifes and sent us in stone age, what bother me the most is that he supposedly knows what we are about, at the end everything turned out to be just full of shit.
Ole spent 3 years
- to build most unfit bunch that cant press more than 5 min to save their lifes (his goal was to make a fit squad because JM left him unfit aswell)
- to build most disliked bunch of pricks in United`s history
- to build a squad that looked so clueless how to play football if you dont let them counter attack, apsolutely clueless in final third, made people wonder what they were doing on training ground
- under him players that should have been released years ago got their contract extensions (hope at least they pay him some cut)
- he gave a captaincy to someone who wasnt more than 10 min a United player ( and he supposed to know/understand United DNA lal, from people like Keane, Vidic etc. to a brick head that did feck all to deserve it on the first place)
- to waste 300mil. plus on players like our captain, AWB etc.
Ole wasted 3 years of our lifes and sent us in stone age, what bother me the most is that he supposedly knows what we are about, at the end everything turned out to be just full of shit.
Solskjaer - Had us fooled thinking the recruitment had turned a corner but if anything it's just as bad.
He then finished the season with 2 wins out of the last 10 games and ended up 6th, so what ?Anybody who says Ole is worse just be trolling.
When he took over from Mourinho as interim, it wasn't his squad either but he still managed to go on a 15 game unbeaten run which is why the board gave him the job permanently. So these lame excuses about it not being Wreck-It's team just ain't cutting it. And Ole also has quite a few records under his belt. Some negative ones too but not as many as Wreck-It.
But the fecker's gone for good now so it's just onwards and upwards. I just hope the fraud is clearing out his desk as we speak.
Oh, and people back then were also calling for the entire squad to be sold during that disastrous run.
If the board hadn't rushed into giving Ole the job and waited till this disastrous run had happened, he wouldn't have gotten the job full stop.
Not even close: Ralf.
That 15 game unbeaten run or whatever the feck it was, was the biggest con ever. It heralded the Cardiffization of our club for the next three years.
Rangnick never did what he was supposed to do. So, its a major what the fekk situation.
Ole did alot better than people think. Sounds like nobody remember he had to play Andreas as #10.
What happend this fall will forever be an enigma for this club.
Ole did alot better than people think. Sounds like nobody remember he had to play Andreas as #10.
What happend this fall will forever be an enigma for this club.
Difficult to compare, but Ole gets my vote. His was a long term fecking up of the club-Ralf has no doubt been poor as a manager, but hopefully in the long term his review of the problems - running deep into the managerial structures here - will prove to be a turning point, alongside the other changes being made in how Utd is run.
Ralf is probably worse. Was never given much of a chance though imo and had an impossible job. So i voted for Solskjaer because he had time and support to build a team
Should have just kept on Carrick. Really no one could have done worse for us than Rangnick. Not sure we need to listen to him as a consultant even. Just say thanks for nothing and move on.
Ole by far.
Rangnick picked up the pieces that Ole left behind, was not backed by the Board to any degree, and they made it obvious he was gone in the Summer. Ole has no excuses in terms of time and backing, especially money spent. I think of all the managers post SAF, Ole is the one who set us back the most.
Um so did Wreck-It?
Ole didn't finish with our worst season's record in PL history. And he has the best away record in United history....and he could still win games. Best record against Pep's City.
Spin it how you want, the facts don't lie. You must be gutted Wreck-It is leaving but you're going to have to learn to follow ten Hag now. I will pray for you.
Ralf was peddling the shit that Ole left us: a shit bloated squad with no identity with anarchy and chaos in the changing rooms. He's dragged us to the finish line - like a broken down car being taken to the garage by hook or by crook. Now it is up to ETH to fix the mess that Ole left.
I thought we were done with the dumb threads. One clown created a mess which Rangnick couldn't clean up.
Comparing the two shows obvious agenda. It's absolute stupidity.
Comparing the two shows obvious agenda. It's absolute stupidity.
It's really makes no sense to compare.
Ole obviously had more successful moments, because he had 3 years to have moments of success and he had hundreds of millions spent to achieve it. It's hard to describe how bad a job he's done in 3 years for us to be in the exact same position we were when Jose left (maybe worse). Squad yet again needs a complete overhaul, attitude of the players is terrible, and another season outside top 4 which was also inevitable had Ole stayed.
Ralf has just been a complete disaster but it's 6 months with a squad of players who couldn't be arsed trying and no incoming transfers. Again though it's hard to imagine anyone could have done a worse job than he has done, to be nowhere near 4th is just absurd.
They both get a 0/10 from me.
Ole obviously had more successful moments, because he had 3 years to have moments of success and he had hundreds of millions spent to achieve it. It's hard to describe how bad a job he's done in 3 years for us to be in the exact same position we were when Jose left (maybe worse). Squad yet again needs a complete overhaul, attitude of the players is terrible, and another season outside top 4 which was also inevitable had Ole stayed.
Ralf has just been a complete disaster but it's 6 months with a squad of players who couldn't be arsed trying and no incoming transfers. Again though it's hard to imagine anyone could have done a worse job than he has done, to be nowhere near 4th is just absurd.
They both get a 0/10 from me.
Why are you comparing the next 2 seasons of Ole to Ralf's interim period. Last I checked, Ralf only stayed for a half a season. He got to spend feck all while Ole got 2 windows to spend ton of money on the team.Um so did Wreck-It?
Ole didn't finish with our worst season's record in PL history. And he has the best away record in United history....and he could still win games. Best record against Pep's City.
Spin it how you want, the facts don't lie. You must be gutted Wreck-It is leaving but you're going to have to learn to follow ten Hag now. I will pray for you.
Ole's first half of a season saw ending it with a disastrous run of 2 wins in 10 matches and finishing 6th, and similar to the 4-0 loss to Brighton, we also lost 4-0 to Everton. Same shambolic results.
Also, how old are you ? Try to grow up a little bit. I thought this forum is for adults ?
Rangnick was a 0/10. Ole was a 3. So Ralph, by far.
Recency bias in the poll. Ole lost 4-1 to Watford before he was sacked. Its basically his team after spending hundreds of million over a period of 2 years. Rangnick didnt do a good job either but the share of the blame should be higher for Ole
Him and De Boer the worst in epl history
One came in the middle of a season with a disgruntled squad that had no direction or motivation and didn't have the ability to build his team.
The other had 3 years to build his squad and ended up with a disgruntled squad that had no direction or motivation.
It's easy to pick who was the worse one.
The other had 3 years to build his squad and ended up with a disgruntled squad that had no direction or motivation.
It's easy to pick who was the worse one.
Easily Rangnick. Atrocious manager.
On the pitch there's no point discussing it, both appalling, but I think Ralf has done some good here with his honesty.
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Rangnick in terms of results and performances. But Ole did more damage with the culture he created at the club and lumbering us with AWB, Maguire and Telles.
Caretaker Ole > Caretaker Rangnick
Manager Moyes > Manager Ole
Manager Moyes > Manager Ole
Things were so rotten by the time Ralf took over that I wouldn't expect him to accomplish much. Don't think anybody could have done anything with this club in the state it's been in, not in half a season. In my opinion, it's a little silly to hold him accountable. He was never appointed on the basis of being a great manager who would turn the ship around, he was just given the remainder of the season in order to get some insight into the team in preparation for his role as director of football or whatever it was.
Ole's mismanagement and disastrous transfer record is the reason things turned out this way.
Ole's mismanagement and disastrous transfer record is the reason things turned out this way.
Ole got second and third. Ralph got feck all. Not one player improved under him. How has he done better than Ole?
Ole and Woodward created this mess we are in.
Rangnick, by a mile.
Can we add another option, they were both equally shite.