'The Treble' won by United, can only be bettered by a team winning the quadruple

[The Oracle]

There are trebles, and then there is ‘The Treble’

The hardest treble to win for an English football team is ‘The Treble’ of the Premier League, the Champions League, and the FA Cup.

Man Utd are still the only English team to have ever achieved the feat in ‘99

Until an English team wins the quadruple (‘The Treble’ plus the League Cup), then Man Utd’s Treble will remain the standalone biggest ever achievement by an English football team.

Is this even a debate?

 

[DOTA]

Until an English team wins the quadruple (‘The Treble’ plus the League Cup), then Man Utd’s Treble will remain the standalone biggest ever achievement by an English football team.

Not really if someone equals it.

 

[moses]

Is this even a debate?

I don't know, what are the new rules?

 

[Swedish_Plumber]

You look who we had to play in the cups too, hardly a walk to the final. Seems to be a lot more dross served up to the big teams these days.

* and even the so called smaller teams put more effort into the cup competitions in comparison to today.

 

[The Oracle]

Not really if someone equals it.

It can be equalled, but equalled doesn't mean bettered.

 

[Xanther]

What about the great Treble of 2016/17? Community Shield, Carabao and Europa.

Slept on

 

[Sandikan]

Oh but we were lucky in the finals and didn't get 100 points remember

 

[DOTA]

It can be equalled, but equalled doesn't mean bettered.

Sure. But it won't 'remain the standalone biggest ever achievement by an English football team' in that case.

Think you should edit your post.

 

[Sandikan]

What about the great Treble of 2016/17? Community Shield, Carabao and Europa. Slept on

What about the quadruple of getting 2 batterings against Liverpool, one against Watford and one v Brighton?
That takes some real doing.

 

[jm99]

For me the only trophies that matter are the league and champions League. It's a nice bonus to win the FA cup or League cup but most fans value a top 4 finish over either of them. I don't take any points from our 07/08 team for not winning the FA cup, winning the two big titles was all that really mattered. As it is, we're still the only English side to do that in the modern era anyway

 

[Rightnr]

I hear/read what you're saying and all I can think of is 'Hala Madrid' for the next week.

 

[Offside]

Points total police will disagree

 

[The Oracle]

Sure. But it won't 'remain the standalone biggest ever achievement by an English football team' in that case.

Think you should edit your post.

I would argue it would still be, as we were the first ever English team to accomplish it.

 

[sullydnl]

I think so. Obviously they could prove to be better than that United team across multiple seasons but in terms of a single season achievement I can't think of anything other than a quadruple that would be better.

Though a PL and CL double while winning every single game would be pretty good tbf.

 

[MalaysianRed7]

What about the great Treble of 2016/17? Community Shield, Carabao and Europa.

Slept on

I would be so pleased with the latter two next season that I’d bite your hand off now if you offered it to me. The shield isn’t even an option of course

 

[Irwin99]

There is no debate. Doesn't matter what team you support the Treble would only be surpassed by the quadruple.

Interesting to note that, although I personally don't think the Invincibles were THAT great and they didn't even retain their title, for all this talk of Klopp and Pep being the best rivalry in the leagues history, Sir Alex and Wenger still probably have the greatest achievements, at least in the PL era.

 

[DOTA]

I would argue it would still be, as we were the first ever English team to accomplish it.

Preston North End's title in the 1888-89 remains the standalone biggest ever achievement in English league football.

 

[Bubz27]

Klopp got more points than Fergie did that season so la.

 

[edcunited1878]

Who was the 2nd man on the moon? Exactly.

First English club to do it and currently only English club to do it. The first to do it will never change, can't be changed. Only thing is for it to be matched and then exceed. Till then, United hold that right. No ifs and or buts.

Fachts.

 

[moses]

I don't mean to offend anyone but on the day we finished a flattering 6th, the deluge of Treble talk is making us more and more like the Scousers in the 90s

 

[Chairman Steve]

I find these debates about teams aiming to win trebles and quadruples a bit redundant. Multiple trophy haul seasons tend to involve some considerable luck going your way, especially when 3 of the 4 competitions are cup competitions when every dog has it’s day.

You’ve just got to take it in your stride and from my memory in 1999, that’s kinda what happened. Everyone knew we were playing a ton of matches that were must-win to keep a chasing Arsenal behind us, and then playing European giants in midweek. It’s probably difficult as feck to play so many high stakes games in succession that there’s bound to be a slip somewhere.

And there were instances where it could have gone pear shaped, like Bergkamp slams home the penalty in the FA Cup Semi-Final or one of those Bayern chances in Barcelona rebounds off the post past Schmeichel, instead of away from his goal.

So I don’t think you can just go out and say at the start of the season we’re going to win three trophies.

 

[MUW4Eva]

Don't forget as a result of The Treble, we also won the Intercontinental Cup, so really it was a Quadruple, so someone would have to win all of what we did (swap the Intercontinental Cup for the Club World Cup now) and more, so 5 trophies, that is one heck of an ask, only Barcelona and Arsenal's women's team have won that many trophies as far as I know.

 

[Longshanks]

Still the only English club to win the Premier league and champions league in the same season. 2008 hasn't been eclipsed yet let alone 1999.

Yes I am aware that other clubs have won the old first division and the European Cup in the same season before, but football only stared in 1992 don't you know.

 

[11101]

Still the only English club to win the Premier league and champions league in the same season. 2008 hasn't been eclipsed yet let alone 1999.

Yes I am aware that other clubs have won the old first division and the European Cup in the same season before, but football only stared in 1992 don't you know.

Has anybody else done the Double Double too? That was the big thing in the 90s.

 

[redmanx]

It can be equalled, but equalled doesn't mean bettered.

Certainly, but Liverpool came mighty close; can you imagine how the media like Lineker would have kept on and on about how great Liverpool are and how wonderful Klopp is? Even when they won their only Prem title the media were calling them the greatest British team ever and some were placing Klopp above SAF as the best ever manager in the Prem! A Treble would make them even more unbearable than they already are.

 

[SungSam7]

Not really if someone equals it.

Was thinking the same!

Is the name referencing the game?

 

[Withnail]

Not really if someone equals it.

This!

Every thread of theirs I think to myself the OP's username does not check out.

 

[RuudTom83]

Hail the mighty Carabao Cup!

No team in European competitions should even be entering into that cup tbh.

 

[led_scholes]

Barcelona, Bayern, Inter and Juventus.
Barca were champions of Spain.
Bayern of Germany and Juve the Italian and CL finalists. One of the most difficult runs.

Edit: mistakenly put Bayern as Bundesliga holders in 1998. kaiserslautern had won it that year.

 

[Xanther]

Certainly, but Liverpool came mighty close; can you imagine how the media like Lineker would have kept on and on about how great Liverpool are and how wonderful Klopp is? Even when they won their only Prem title the media were calling them the greatest British team ever and some were placing Klopp above SAF as the best ever manager in the Prem! A Treble would make them even more unbearable than they already are.

To be fair to them, records are meant to be broken and GOATs are meant to be usurped. There has to, at some point, be someone who is greater than Fergie. Some would argue he already exists (Pep).

There's an argument to be made that the PL has never been so strong; we already accept those 2 coaches and teams as the best representation of it as a league. How many times have we seen 92, 93, 97, 98, 99, 100 points from the same 2 teams in such a short span of time?

If Liverpool win the CL then Klopp solidifies himself as part of that conversation. He will have been 2 points away from a historic quadruple. Not that he is certainly greater than Fergie, but the claim is no longer that ridiculous. His Dortmund experience helps him in that regard too. He re-built that club up, set a new Bundesliga points record when he was there, retained the title and reached a CL final.

 

[redmanx]

Klopp got more points than Fergie did that season so la.

So what?

 

[horsechoker]

Klopp got more points than Fergie did that season so la.

These comparisons are meaningless. United are still treble winners, Arse still have their invicibles thing despite the greatest ever minds in football coming to English football.

 

[Mike Smalling]

I guess you could also improve on the Treble by going undefeated in the league, or perhaps winning a Club World Cup in the same season, but a quadruple with the League Cup is certainly the least unrealistic of those scenarios.

 

[Dansk]

It's not possible to entertain any notions of Klopp of Pep surpassing SAF until they've been dominating for decades. And where it concerns Pep, he also has yet to prove that he can succeed with anything short of the strongest squad and most resources in the country. Klopp has proven that he can do that, but Pep has never done anything truly impressive in his career. He has had the best team in the league for 100% of his managerial career and has never needed his teams to be more than the sum of their parts. Klopp at Dortmund and SAF at Aberdeen and early on with United proved that they have that, but Klopp hasn't got anything even remotely close to SAF's pedigree yet. He might one day, but he'll have to be as succesful as he is now for two more decades before anybody can say he's superior and not be laughed out of the room. And he'd have to win a whole hell of a lot more league titles, too.

 

[The Oracle]

Preston North End's title in the 1888-89 remains the standalone biggest ever achievement in English league football.

The thread is about multiple trophy wins in a single season, and in particular the most difficult treble there is to win by an English football team - with Man Utd still being the only English team to have achieved the feat.

You have pointed out that Preston North End were the first ever English team to win the football league.

Man Utd were the first ever English team to win the Premier League - which was the very beginning of the 'modern era' of football*

*The biggest ever rule change in football was introduced in 1992 (the back-pass rule). The rule change marked the start of the 'modern era' of football, and was in force at the start of the first ever Premier League campaign of 1992/93

 

[redmanx]

To be fair to them, records are meant to be broken and GOATs are meant to be usurped. There has to, at some point, be someone who is greater than Fergie. Some would argue he already exists (Pep).

There's an argument to be made that the PL has never been so strong; we already accept those 2 coaches and teams as the best representation of it as a league. How many times have we seen 92, 93, 97, 98, 99, 100 points from the same 2 teams in such a short span of time?

If Liverpool win the CL then Klopp solidifies himself as part of that conversation. He will have been 2 points away from a historic quadruple. Not that he is certainly greater than Fergie, but the claim is no longer that ridiculous. His Dortmund experience helps him in that regard too. He re-built that club up, set a new Bundesliga points record when he was there, retained the title and reached a CL final.

City and Liverpool are the dominant teams now, just as United and Arsenal were, and back then Chelsea were a much stronger team than they are now or have been for a few seasons. Yes everything comes around, things change and new standards are set. Klopp was successful in Dortmund just as Fergie was at Aberdeen, but for Klopp to be considered Fergies equal he needs to win more Prem titles and build teams which consistently challenge for the top honours; I think under Fergie we finished outside the top 2 just once. Pep is closer to Fergie, and may be his equal, but again he needs to be successful over many years, and he probably will.

 

[MUW4Eva]

To be fair to them, records are meant to be broken and GOATs are meant to be usurped. There has to, at some point, be someone who is greater than Fergie. Some would argue he already exists (Pep).

There's an argument to be made that the PL has never been so strong; we already accept those 2 coaches and teams as the best representation of it as a league. How many times have we seen 92, 93, 97, 98, 99, 100 points from the same 2 teams in such a short span of time?

If Liverpool win the CL then Klopp solidifies himself as part of that conversation. He will have been 2 points away from a historic quadruple. Not that he is certainly greater than Fergie, but the claim is no longer that ridiculous. His Dortmund experience helps him in that regard too. He re-built that club up, set a new Bundesliga points record when he was there, retained the title and reached a CL final.

Anyone who says that Pep is better than Sir Alex is wrong, what Sir Alex achieved with Aberdeen outweighs anything and everything that Pep has ever done in his whole managerial career, nevermind then throwing in his long time with us.

Sir Alex beat Real Madrid in a European final with Aberdeen, Pep can't even manage to beat them in a semi final!!

 

[Red the Bear]

Well, time to do it ourselves.
League, League cup, fa cup and Europa incoming.

 

[redmanx]

It's not possible to entertain any notions of Klopp of Pep surpassing SAF until they've been dominating for decades. And where it concerns Pep, he also has yet to prove that he can succeed with anything short of the strongest squad and most resources in the country. Klopp has proven that he can do that, but Pep has never done anything truly impressive in his career. He has had the best team in the league for 100% of his managerial career and has never needed his teams to be more than the sum of their parts. Klopp at Dortmund and SAF at Aberdeen and early on with United proved that they have that, but Klopp hasn't got anything even remotely close to SAF's pedigree yet. He might one day, but he'll have to be as succesful as he is now for two more decades before anybody can say he's superior and not be laughed out of the room. And he'd have to win a whole hell of a lot more league titles, too.

My thoughts exactly. My granny could have been successful at Barcelona back then.

 

[Luffy]

Preston North End's title in the 1888-89 remains the standalone biggest ever achievement in English league football.

True, it was a great accomplishment, but there was ever only going to be one single team to claim that achievement. The Treble, on the other hand was achievable by many other teams before us. But none ever did.