Very disappointed by this news, but I’m not entirely sure why. Doesn’t feel positive though.
Ralf Rangnick's consultancy role has been scrapped
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Because that was his condition? Talking from his pov
No one will see it as anything missed. He has zero clout or authority in the game so no one needs to be listening to him. Our problems are very public and he had added no additional insight
Because it was a part of the negotiation to get him as interim manager.
Well he did great work in Hoffenheim as well.
Thing is if you should never judge his club building skills on his coaching skills.
That would be like judging a striker on his goalkeeping skills. Vastly different jobs.
And I worry abit for Ten Hag now. He had Van Der Sar and Overmars in Ajax. Here he has Murtough and Fletcher which so far have shown nothing to suggest they have any clue.
Its good that they didnt get Conte. It would have ended the same way and we would have gone back to square one.
Nailed it!
Kinda sums up the past 6 months - pointless and purposeless
That's the only explanation, surely. Ten Hag must have said he doesn't need a consultant, who would only get in his way. I can't imagine it's come from elsewhere.
Fair assessment, agreed on all points.
From his earliest press conferences he couldn't even explain what that role was, repeating that he was there to concentrate on results. It was a back up if he had nothing better to do.
That's a very fair point. He already had his work cut out for him just by association to the previous regime so this summer he has to be getting things right.
If it did come ETH, why not use Ralf's Austria appointment as the get out for both sides? As it is the club and whole Rangnick period looks even more of a shambles.
For some reason people believe Rangnick was tasked with "rebuild the squad" role, he was consultant, his role was to work with Murtough on need basis.
How was he done dirty?
He failed in the biggest way. Made all of our players look terrible then consistently came out to trash the club.
Everything he said could have been said to Murtough privately.
Here's a question, can you imagine any Real Madrid manager ever coming out to say these things week in and week out.
I actually feel, despite what the press likes to say, we give our managers far too much leeway for the size of club that we are.
He was worse than Ole THIS season. Under Ole, we had a decent start to the campaign. We seemed to do pretty well in attack at home. Our problem was that defensively, we came in much worse shape than we were last season. We hit a slump where, despite attacking, we lost games to teams we shouldn't have. However, we were still capable of playing decent football. We then had a patch of games against top 4 teams. This is where we completely fell apart and the defence ( defensive system) that we had been using was completely exposed. So of course, confidence fell apart and despite our players showing grit to beat Spurs, we weren't in good form. Even when Ole left, we still had enough about us to beat Chelsea and Arsenal. Rangnick came and had the easiest fixture list imaginable. In that run, we only played well for 45 minutes. Every other game we played felt disjointed in attack. For a short period, we seemed to have better control ( despite looking so much worse) of games, then everything defensively fell apart completely. This time, miles worse because we didn't have the attacking system to fall back on. Every single outfield player outside a few GOAT games by Ronaldo looked bad.
So who is gonna be in charge of implementing a medium/long term football vision for the club?
I don't like this.
I don't like this.
Good man Ralf, he saw the degenerate state club is in and wanted nothing to do with it, can't blame him. Good luck.
They have done?
Not really cos initially Ralf and club said he could do both fine.
The idea that he has zero clout in football is nonsense. He had long established his reputation as a DOF before he ever set foot into United as interim manager.
But regardless of whether he offered any actual insight beyond what already existed at the club, the fact that he very publicly highlighted our flaws before having his role cut short will certainly be something highlighted if in five years time we're seeing more stories akin to the one written in The Times this week.
Well that was a disaster of an appointment. Never looked like getting top four did absolutely nothing to change how the team played and destroyed any sort of unity we may have had.
Still he has his supporters for blaming it all on everyone else and not him
Still he has his supporters for blaming it all on everyone else and not him
You thought that was Ralf's job?
Seriously, you have to question the sanity of a bunch of posters.
so many painfully poisonous posters on here, why aren't you on twitter with the other nutters?
Well we would be in the Champions League
The DoF who was already in charge of it?
Not all of that is on Ralf though, some definitely, but most of it is on the players.
Why hire him in the first place if you’re not going to keep him for what he actually specialises at now? It wasn’t so much the player and scouting side of him I was looking forward to it was the restructuring of staff roles and getting ‘football people’ back at the club.
The club has fallen so far behind the top clubs in terms of organisation and I think Ralf’s advice and experience would’ve helped us catch up.
Because it made people feel good as they thought something was really changing at the club and that we were bringing in an outside expert in team building.
It was better than thinking we made a short-term appointment of a coach who was never suited for such a role.
Because personnel that outspoken always cause issues at clubs when their not managers.
LVG at Ajax for example. You can't have a figure that has clear issues with so many of the players still working at the club.
Imagine someone like Rangnick making it look like he did better if ETH has a bad spell of form. I honestly don't see the benefit of having him at the club at the moment, especially as he does seem like a toxic figure. Are we going to act like he didn't leak certain things to the press himself.
Wishful thinking... ETH will be yet another hampered manager dictated to by a shit board.
They have, but we're all still surprised today at the announcement and how the club has handled.
Tbh I'd have thought Ralf would be keen to get the hell out of there and the club equally keen to get rid, so no tears being shed either side.
I don't see the issue. Ralf wanted assurance of a job beyond 6 months. The consultancy thing was thrown in to persuade him to give his old job. Now that he has the Austria gig and we have ETH. No problems mutually ending this.
Cant imagine this being Ten Hags decision, why wouldn’t he want an experienced help with a lot of contacts around Europe. With the task ahead we could be short of experienced decision makers and negotiators.
So he came, fecked up the season, and now has gone. Well done Glazers.
I like the optimism from your post, but also from many United fans, who see things coming back on the right track, almost straight away.
While current dressing room proved to be an inside anarchy, even when club is generous to them in terms of wages & contracts, ETH seem to be walking this job in full confidence he'll make needed impact. Think how they respond to his instructions will also be dependent on their football intelligence and ability to adapt to modern standards and this could easily have random effects and in the end - consequences on the pitch.
Definitely club needs to give Erik some power to draw the line, but also players simply need to let manager lead them, long term and be patient along the way, which will be bumpy ride, not to mention huge amount of patience will be required to achieve desired football.
Lots of obstacles ahead in first season, but while club still have to prepare during summer, there's still some time to change something substantially, or at least mentally, in minds of players.
That being said, clearout is the elephant in the room.
Wasn't it? He was appointed as interim manager until we get our man. Then he was supposed to take the director of football role.
It's a shame he is gone. We needed a no-non sense type of guy, who was not afraid to speak the truths we need to hear.
Feels the owners have sided with the players agents.
No, he wasn't. John Murtough was our DOF and was always going to stay our DOF. All Rangnick was ever going to be after his interim stint was a consultant.
Wasn't his job supposed to be only a few days a month? Also on top of that he took the Austria job. Doesn't sound like we have lost much here.
It may be even a sensible decision if ETH wants a clean slate, he can get that with moves like this. But I hope he doesn't fall under player spells/bullshit and still works to remove those that deserve it.
I would be happy to see a proper football director come in full time i.e. Paul Mitchell.
It may be even a sensible decision if ETH wants a clean slate, he can get that with moves like this. But I hope he doesn't fall under player spells/bullshit and still works to remove those that deserve it.
I would be happy to see a proper football director come in full time i.e. Paul Mitchell.
Thanks for the rock-n-roll football Ralf.
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