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How long will Liverpool's dominance last?
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They hit their peak this year, talks of Mane leaving, Salah wanting a ridiculous extension.
You lose them two players, I don't see Jota and Diaz being able to carry the burden.
Klopp needs to get more smart signings in to keep the process going but its not like hes the type to spend massively like City.
City landing Haaland will make it even harder for the teams in the league to push them all the way again. Fair enough, City did us a favour to win the title, but is that healthy for the league. They will just spend big to replace any aging stars because money isn't an issue.
EDIT, Mane, not Sane
You lose them two players, I don't see Jota and Diaz being able to carry the burden.
Klopp needs to get more smart signings in to keep the process going but its not like hes the type to spend massively like City.
City landing Haaland will make it even harder for the teams in the league to push them all the way again. Fair enough, City did us a favour to win the title, but is that healthy for the league. They will just spend big to replace any aging stars because money isn't an issue.
EDIT, Mane, not Sane
But you were confident two years ago that Liverpool would dominate and you were wrong, so how can we trust you now or with any future predictions? Also do you seriously think any Liverpool fan is deflated right now?
Upon second reading there’s a lot of nonsense in your post.
We’ll challenge for trophies next season. Whether we win anything or not remains to be seen.
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Why is there an asterisk next to our 2020 title? We played 30 match weeks under normal circumstances and only 2 without fans before being confirmed champions. The league was won before Covid.
What dominance? They're having to fake asthma to even compete with City because Pep is too OP.
If a tree falls down and there is no one around, does it make a sound??
Similarly, if a team lifts a trophy, but there is no-one around to see then lift it, have they really lifted a trophy??
I don't remember any parade to celebrate winning the league, so did you really win the league in 2020??
They will be in the hunt for trophies as long as Klopp is around.
Why do you think he will stop spending massively? 9 of Liverpools 10 most expensive signings ever were by Klopp.
He has broken the world record for goalkeeper and defender, as well as spending over 40 million on sub strikers and midfielders.
Even Salah was a club record at the time.
I don't think they will get 90 points next season.
But perhaps fewer than 90 points will be a title winning total.
So I think they will still challenge, but in a league that is collectively slightly more competitive than it was this year and will probably finish second again to City but by a slightly larger margin.
The season after is when it really drops off IMO
But perhaps fewer than 90 points will be a title winning total.
So I think they will still challenge, but in a league that is collectively slightly more competitive than it was this year and will probably finish second again to City but by a slightly larger margin.
The season after is when it really drops off IMO
It’s more to do with key players leaving and being that bit older, and the mental toll of being so close to greatness but slipping at the final hurdle.
Either way, it will be interesting to see if Liverpool manage to pick themselves up from this. My feeling is no.
They just need to pick up a few players from the Tour De France and they will be fine.
Liverpool dominance?........ You mean City dominance surely?
How Liverpool have somehow become the best team in England even though they keep coming up short to City is very strange.
How Liverpool have somehow become the best team in England even though they keep coming up short to City is very strange.
For Liverpool's dominance to last, they need to dominate first.
Exactly.
it's quite amazing how such a good team might end up with just one PL, they've had three 90+ point seasons
City with Haaland will be very hard to beat now as well
I almost feel sorry for the cnuts
City with Haaland will be very hard to beat now as well
I almost feel sorry for the cnuts
It’s great this thread was made two years ago when it seemed they could go on and win a fair bit, instead they win two small cups and people need to bang on about points totals instead. I love it.
What makes them an apparently "good team", their trophy haul would suggest that they are the definition of bottlers on the biggest of stages.
Nothing says that they are of have been that good a side.
Heck Ole managed to finish above them let's not forget that!
they've had three seasons with over 90 points in the Prem, and got to three UCL finals winning one
I mean come on, they're good
Silent domination.
I made a prediction a few years ago that they had another few seasons in them, those thoughts haven't changed and I feel they're coming to the end of their cycle, I'm of the opinion that this year was this side's last big hoorah before it begins breaking up. We can pretend they weren't mint, but they were and I'm very glad their peak coincided with a team like City who's just been better domestically and stopped them winning everything in sight. Now, that's not to say that Klopp won't build another good team but as a manager this is the sort of team you only put together once in a generation, a bit like our 07-09 side.
Aye, people are fecking mental if they don't acknowledge this was a ridiculously good team.
So when is this dominance due to start?
Except Ferguson literally created 3 amazing teams in one generation.
I know some Liverpool fans in person who expected them to go on dominate after their 2020 title win, completely discounting the possibility of City fighting back.
They did make a pretty good start to the 2020/2021 season all things considered, with Villa Park drubbing looking just to be an aberration, especially on the back of their late winner at home to Tottenham and then 7-0 win away to Palace, but of course the wheels soon fell off.
They did make a pretty good start to the 2020/2021 season all things considered, with Villa Park drubbing looking just to be an aberration, especially on the back of their late winner at home to Tottenham and then 7-0 win away to Palace, but of course the wheels soon fell off.
If Liverpool were that good, they would have won the league & beaten an indifferent Madrid team.
Ultimately there top level was reached by scoring 9 penalties to win 2 cups, having failed to score in 3 finals & failing to beat any of the top 4.
Meanwhile their best 2 players both potentially wanting out.
Ultimately there top level was reached by scoring 9 penalties to win 2 cups, having failed to score in 3 finals & failing to beat any of the top 4.
Meanwhile their best 2 players both potentially wanting out.
That's Ferguson though who's in a completely different league to other managers.
There's next to no guarantee Klopp replicates even a fraction of what Fergie did.
I think they're past their peak. I always said they've had 1-2 more seasons in their title winning squad. Maybe they have the legs for one more season, but it's hard to see beyond that unless they come up with some insane, Salah / Mane / VVD level signings this summer.
Mane is leaving, Salah will leave next year. I still have my doubts about Diaz and Jota. I just don't think they're the same level as Mane / Salah / Firmino at their peak. They look good because they play in a dominant team. If you give any decent PL winger several 1v1 opportunities against the fullback every game, they'll make something happen.
Mane is leaving, Salah will leave next year. I still have my doubts about Diaz and Jota. I just don't think they're the same level as Mane / Salah / Firmino at their peak. They look good because they play in a dominant team. If you give any decent PL winger several 1v1 opportunities against the fullback every game, they'll make something happen.
Haha
Which generation? Fergie had 2 outstanding teams, and by that I mean best in Europe level, while he was at United and they were very obviously in different generations.
I do hope this is the beginning of their fall, I would love it to be brutal and painful but slow enough that they don't see it coming.
I think Klopp will freshen up their squad and keep them at least competitive for another season or 2 and I wouldn't be surprised if they won a couple more cups.
They'll be there or thereabouts for some time yet but City are still the team to beat in England.
I think Klopp will freshen up their squad and keep them at least competitive for another season or 2 and I wouldn't be surprised if they won a couple more cups.
They'll be there or thereabouts for some time yet but City are still the team to beat in England.
Klopp seemed a bit deflated too. His comment about “book your tickets for Istanbul” seemed a bit desperate.
You do know what a generation is? There were 9 years between CL wins.
I wouldn't discount the 93-95 team either. Not dominant in Europe as English teams struggled to adapt after the ban, but incredibly dominant in England.
And they’ve got the points totals to show for it!! I love it
Liverpool and Citys dominace will continue as long as Klopp and Pep are around. Simple as that. Klopps success rate in the transfer market is really good so finding a replacement for Mane shouldnt be a huge problem. I can easily see Nkunku be that guy. He is similar to Mane and is ready to take the next step.
5 years in the future it will probably be City and Newcastle dominating though, maybe with PSG in the inevitable Super League.
5 years in the future it will probably be City and Newcastle dominating though, maybe with PSG in the inevitable Super League.
Also had to deal with the foreigners rule. I would put that team up against any of his later teams, allowing for modern fitness etc. Loved that team.
Liverpool have been and are a very good side. Looking at Ferguson, it didn't matter who left, Fergie replaced them all, Robson, Hughes, Ince, Stam, Irwin, Schmeichel, Van Neistelrooy, Beckham, Keane etc. Amazingly we got better when each of those players left.
Can Klopp do that? Too early to say but Couthino wasn't missed and looked like one of the best players in the world whilst there. He has been poor since. I don't think they will miss Mane that much, he is replaceable but I'm not so sure about Salah when he leaves this summer or next. Same with VVD whenever he leaves.
The current team is coming to the end of it's cycle, that is clear. This season will have been very draining for them. Salah and Mane both look like they will be leaving this summer or next and so Klopp has a big challenge ahead of him and it's a different kind of pressure to when he first arrived as expectations are now elevated.
I just hope ETH can build a great side and I then couldn't really care less about Klopp or when he leaves.
Can Klopp do that? Too early to say but Couthino wasn't missed and looked like one of the best players in the world whilst there. He has been poor since. I don't think they will miss Mane that much, he is replaceable but I'm not so sure about Salah when he leaves this summer or next. Same with VVD whenever he leaves.
The current team is coming to the end of it's cycle, that is clear. This season will have been very draining for them. Salah and Mane both look like they will be leaving this summer or next and so Klopp has a big challenge ahead of him and it's a different kind of pressure to when he first arrived as expectations are now elevated.
I just hope ETH can build a great side and I then couldn't really care less about Klopp or when he leaves.
Except Liverpool haven’t dominated anything. Their dominance
Depends how you look at it. Its not the most successfull team this year (Real is), but they dominate pretty much every game they play though, and was really close to a quaddruple. They are really unlucky City being just as good, if not slightly better (debatable) Im sure it will be like that for a few more seasons.Except Liverpool haven’t dominated anything. Their dominance
I think this year was probably the peak, especially since their playing style is built so much on attitude and intensity.
Maybe the final also somehow displayed their limitations, Ancelotti himself said it was easier to be prepared for Liverpool than the other three in the knockouts.
Maybe the final also somehow displayed their limitations, Ancelotti himself said it was easier to be prepared for Liverpool than the other three in the knockouts.
So they’ve dominated matches, not leagues or trophies. Fair enough. Points totals show that don’t they.
And of course Man City are better, they are the ones actualy dominating the league