horsechoker
The Caf's Roy Keane.
Imagine voldermort in modern footballDescribing blatant cheating as, "clever/dark arts"
Imagine voldermort in modern footballDescribing blatant cheating as, "clever/dark arts"
No one has a ceiling.
Your are limiting that player by claiming they have a 'ceiling'.
There's no such thing. How does one define a ceiling? As you say it's pure guesswork, so it means absolutely nothing.
It's bollocks and grinds my gears proper.
Come on, it's just a turn of phrase to say one player has high potential or higher potential than another player. Not a literal limit to how good a player can become.Players don’t have ceilings. They have potential. They realise it, or they don’t. ‘Ceiling’ is a fantasy.
Yeah, it’s childish.Come on, it's just a turn of phrase to say one player has high potential or higher potential than another player. Not a literal limit to how good a player can become.
christYeah, it’s childish.
Potential is a much better word. Ceiling is reductive nonsense used as a metric by children.
Giggle all you like. You’re suggesting that there’s an actual observable metric that tells you how good a player can get. It’s the stuff of computer games and is thoroughly daft.christ
I'm literally not. Read the post you've responded to. It doesn't claim to actual limit players potential. It's just a way to say .... god I'm just repeating myself now. I'll leave you to yell at the clouds mate.Giggle all you like. You’re suggesting that there’s an actual observable metric that tells you how good a player can get. It’s the stuff of computer games and is thoroughly daft.
You can’t change the meanings of words mate.I'm literally not. Read the post you've responded to. It doesn't claim to actual limit players potential. It's just a way to say .... god I'm just repeating myself now. I'll leave you to yell at the clouds mate.
You are being way too literal about it, but yeah man, cool I guess.You can’t change the meanings of words mate.
“He has a higher ceiling” is just a stunted, abstract, limiting term to apply to an assessment of potential. No professional coach or scout uses it. It’s playground shit.
But Go off I guess.
So why say it then?Come on, it's just a turn of phrase to say one player has high potential or higher potential than another player. Not a literal limit to how good a player can become.
It's just a turn of phrase. That's how they work. They don't always make literal sense, but we all know what they mean and that's the point. It's really not that deep either. I hadn't intended to get into a silly back and forth about it but the tone of his posts were just annoyingSo why say it then?
Why not say, 'that players really good, he'll go far if he realises his potential'?
Rather than, 'he got quite a high ceiling hasn't he?'
Glad it isn’t just me then, honestly I must be unhinged as I want to launch my TV when they say it.Yeah, just say their names. I’ve heard another one like “the Bayerns, Barcas and Madrids”. How many Bayern Munich or Real Madrid sides are there. Just say “top clubs” or name them properly.
If the potential is realised, does that mean they have reached a ceiling?Players don’t have ceilings. They have potential. They realise it, or they don’t. ‘Ceiling’ is a fantasy.
That and "if that had been on target, it would have been a goal".‘The post / crossbar / woodwork saved the keeper.’
A repeat of a post I made in here years ago, but I heard it during a hockey match the other night.
Think it’s time we started advertising for a new niche coaching position “defense against the dark arts”Imagine voldermort in modern football
No point, we'd only need a new one next year.Think it’s time we started advertising for a new niche coaching position “defense against the dark arts”
Fixed it for you.I'm literally not. Read the post you've responded to. It doesn't claim to actual limit players potential. It's just a way to say .... god I'm just repeating myself now. I'll leave you to yell at the ceiling mate.
So they either reach their ceiling or they don’t in other words.Players don’t have ceilings. They have potential. They realise it, or they don’t. ‘Ceiling’ is a fantasy.
Both of these are absolutely fine I’d say. Stamina is a clunky word anyway (if you’re going down that route sure you’d use cardio) but engine more implies that they don’t lose performance when they’re tired too, to me at least.Various people. - Hes got a good engine - why not say hes got great stamina? Hes not a Ferrari.
Various people. - Hes out of sorts - what other time would you use that sentence? Why not say hes off form.
No, early doors a common phrase. It's disputed where exactly it came from but there are two main theories.Big Ron. - It's still early doors yet!? Surely it should be early days?
It’s a shite word. A ceiling is a limit. Potential has a range. We had the better term.So they either reach their ceiling or they don’t in other words.
Yeah... How can you not reach your ceiling? Makes no sense.It’s a shite word. A ceiling is a limit. Potential has a range. We had the better term.
Ayyyyyyyy.Economic levers. Wtf?
@Mr PigeonNot really a football phrase but really gets on my nerves posters writing out an imaginary conversation between a club/player