All three need to go. None are good enough.
Wan-Bissaka for sale
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
So we cant even sell Spiderman for two Twix bars, damn
I swear we never sell anyone unless we don’t want them to leave
He's a player, who just can't do the basics right. He can't control, pass or dribble the ball properly.
So, slide tackles or not he just lacks basic footballing ability, and beause of that he's never ever going to be good enough. Coupled with all the off field stuff, it's just time for the club to cut it's losses on this one.
So, slide tackles or not he just lacks basic footballing ability, and beause of that he's never ever going to be good enough. Coupled with all the off field stuff, it's just time for the club to cut it's losses on this one.
How do you know it's not ETH who doesn't want him? I mean what's there to train? He's a technically awkward player. There's a video of ETH's training where they are expected to take a touch and pass in the same motion. This isn't something you execute with technically clumsy players. He most likely knew he was binning AWB the second agreed to become manager.
As I said, he does good when the game is played directly in front of him. It is the strongest aspect of his defensive game but as soon as an opposition plays behind him or on the opposite flank coming across he is completely lost. These stats don't tell a full story at all.Yes, but also ETH's high line emphasizes a lot of 1 vs 1 defending, especially on the counter. AWB is perfect for that. Also judging by how he set up the FBs to tuck in and play the DM role in possession, I think AWB could play the Mazraoui role in possession. Plus he is very athletic, and ETH went on record to say that he wants athletic players.
He also has a very good pass completion and decent progressive carry capacity. And as far as I know there has yet to be a report that said that ETH completed a squad assessment. So far it's our DoF who is doing the business.
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We'll be lucky to get £15m for this guy. Just makes the odd decent slide tackle, terrible at literally everything else. And we paid £50m. That's why the club is being tightfisted with money. One of the worst ever transfers period.
In that case we shouldn't have any trouble selling him for a good price. Clubs will be banging down our door for a chance to sign one of the best full backs in the country
On the wages he is on, I don't think that's a possibility. And that is the story of most of our players sadly... we can't sell them not because they are shit, but because they are on insane wages.
I know about that, but on the ground he is one of the best ones. I think his skill set might bring a bit more defensive grit in a high line and his recovery pace is decent as well.
Will definitely be in the brochure.
Yes we're all "armchair expert" fans because we don't agree with your opinion.The state of our "armchair expert" fans
I've seen him play live everytime he's got lucky enough the grace the OT turf and he's never impressed me. In fact, he's only reaffirmed my initial assessment that we shouldn't have signed him.
His stats are poor for a modern day full back and the eye test backs them up. He's a clumsy, last ditch defender who relies on pace and a slide tackle to make up for his horrendous positioning and awareness. He's one of the worst "defenders" I've seen attempt to win a header and he probably couldn't win a header vs himself ffs.
Going forward I have never seen such an awkward player, he seldom puts in an accurate cross and more often than not, sh*ts himself in the forward positions, fails to take responsibility of the situation and passes the ball and responsibility with it.
But yeah, the stats show he's "one of the best in the league" apparently.
'Player of the Year'* and made captain you say... Oh, shit! I didn't realise.
It's not like we've rewarded undeserving players before or had an array of captincy options post-Keane.
* I'm pretty sure Valenica was still playing on the right wing as opposed to a defensive position when he won the accolade. It doesn't shadow his inability to supply a cross in to the box when playing RB . He was more useless than AWB now in his later years.
He has a high pass completion but he’s very poor at progressing the ball from deep, he can’t switch play and although he’s improved from when he was a pressing target for opponents he’s still average when it comes to passes under pressure - all things ETH will want. I think Dalot is one of the most average fullbacks I’ve ever seen but he’s good at all those attributes.The state of our "armchair expert" fans
Our priority target is De Jong which means most likely we'll be playing a double pivot as that's how ETH see the best use of him meaning the full backs will be used wider like Ajax 18/19 and not like Ajax 21/22 who played as inverted fullbacks, meaning they will have to give width to attack.Yes, but also ETH's high line emphasizes a lot of 1 vs 1 defending, especially on the counter. AWB is perfect for that. Also judging by how he set up the FBs to tuck in and play the DM role in possession, I think AWB could play the Mazraoui role in possession. Plus he is very athletic, and ETH went on record to say that he wants athletic players.
He also has a very good pass completion and decent progressive carry capacity. And as far as I know there has yet to be a report that said that ETH completed a squad assessment. So far it's our DoF who is doing the business.
The state of our "armchair expert" fans
We will be trying to implement a fluid, easy on the eye style, playing out from the back even against the big boys like Liverpool I don't see AWB as suited to this even though I like him personally, I will rather have an Arnold or Carvajal type fullback in such scenario.
And clearly ETH is involved if we're trying to get rid because we're aware he didn't agree to sign until he was given assurance he would have a say in everything transfer.
Erik Ten Hag Insists He Has Total Control Over Transfers
By Sankalp Srivastava on April 23, 2022 11:16 pm | Leave a Comment
Incoming Manchester United manager Erik ten Hag has insisted that he has complete control over the club’s transfer dealings.
Manchester United confirmed the appointment of Erik ten Hag as their next permanent manager on Thursday after months of speculation. The likes of Mauricio Pochettino and Luis Enrique were also linked with the club’s hot seat, but the current Ajax boss was handed the managerial post.
The Dutch tactician will take over from interim boss Ralf Rangnick and at one of the darkest periods in the club’s recent history. The Red Devils have now gone five seasons without silverware since winning the UEFA Europa League in 2017. Their last Premier League title came way back in 2013, which was Sir Alex Ferguson’s final season at the helm of the club.
Manchester United have attracted criticism for not giving complete control of transfers in the hands of their managers, who then struggle to leave their imprint on the side. Inconsistent performances follow and so does the manager’s sacking, and the cycle repeats itself.
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Fans are optimistic that ten Hag’s appointment is a step in the right direction, and the Dutchman’s recent comments will give them even more hope going into the next season. Ten Hag stressed that he would not have taken up the Manchester United job if he was not given complete control of the club’s transfer dealings.
“I set requirements in advance about how I want to work,” Ten Hag told Dutch outlet Trouw, before continuing, “If they aren’t granted, I won’t do it. I am ultimately responsible and accounted for the results. I don’t want to be the sole ruler, I stand for cooperation, but control in transfers is a condition for me.”
I just don't think his strengths offset his weaknesses enough to be a regular in a team hoping to achieve Champions League qualification.
I don't think I ever said he was the reincarnation of Cafu or Breitner for that matter. What I said was that he is good at the defensive side of the game, especially when the ball is on the ground. And considering we are going to be very exposed in the PL due to the high line that ETH is going to employ, my idea was that we need someone who can do a bit of 1 vs 1 defending and have a bit of pace on him.
Same can be said about Dalot really. In reality neither of them are good to be our starting 11 RBs, but we are where we are and so far there is not a lot of noise that we are looking to sign a new RB.
Well of course, none of the full-backs in the current squad are good enough (unless Shaw rediscovers his form from the season before last, which remains to be seen) but Wan-Bissaka is on more money than Dalot and Dalot is more comfortable in the attacking third so it makes sense to shift Wan-Bissaka first.
But having £120m budget is media speculation, no?
And the 100k was illustrative, not meant to pin-point AWB's cost per year.
We can't sell players because they are on huge wages and the teams who would be interested in players of their quality can't afford them. They also hold the negotiation power as they know we want to get rid of them. It's not exactly an easy task.
He isn’t on huge wages. If he’d stayed at Palace I’d imagine they’d have offered him a similar deal eventually considering he was local and one of their star players. As someone mentioned - Benteke is on more.
He's got a couple of green bars on fbref so he must be goodThe state of our "armchair expert" fans
All those stats do is reinforce what you can see from watching him play: opposition teams know he can't hurt them so they just let him have the ball - so he runs forwards a few yards with it and then turns around and passes backwards or sideways.
Here's your
back mate, don't spend it all in one place.I think it has to be the money. He is on 80k per week. Dalot is on 20K per week. Keep the cheaper one.
Dalot isn't an Arnold or Carvajal but he's stylistically closer.
Note we hired a manager who wants to play a very specific style, pass, move, pass move......loose possession presses!
Dalot is more suited albeit not exactly high quality.
Dalot's 1v1 defending is non existent. ETH will need to do a Moses to work on him.
Ideally we buy a replacement for Wan bissakka so Dalot becomes the back up.
Dalot is worse than AWB. He is not good in any aspect of the game.
I don't think so, better touch and passing game, better at defending in the air, more intensity to his play, better at cutbacks into the box, better at passing with weaker foot.
Awb is stronger physically, better 1 v 1 defender.
Both are poor at raising crosses into the box.
We need one of them street vendors from old england "wan bissaka for sale, wan bissaka for sale, get your fresh wan bissaka...."
Imagine coming into a conversation with a snarky attitude and completely missing the mark. The reason I posted the fbref stats was to some posters who claimed he is crap defensively for a fullback.He's got a couple of green bars on fbref so he must be good
All those stats do is reinforce what you can see from watching him play: opposition teams know he can't hurt them so they just let him have the ball - so he runs forwards a few yards with it and then turns around and passes backwards or sideways.
Here's your
No where do I say that he Cafu or Marcelo in possession. If you are going to make a rebuttal, make sure that you at least have a reading comprehension of a second grader.
Thanks for giving me the
back. It doesn't suit you, this one would be more appropriate for you though 
Way to come off as being even further up your own arse than you did the first time.Imagine coming into a conversation with a snarky attitude and completely missing the mark. The reason I posted the fbref stats was to some posters who claimed he is crap defensively for a fullback.
No where do I say that he Cafu or Marcelo in possession. If you are going to make a rebuttal, make sure that you at least have a reading comprehension of a second grader.
Thanks for giving me the
And no, the fbref stats don't show that he's great defensively, either.
The two most glaring weaknesses that prevent him from being elite defensively are his weak aerial ability and awful positioning. The stats show him being as bad in the air as we know he is (14th percentile among fullbacks), and of course there's no stat to cover positioning, just all the times we've seen him caught out at the back post, playing runners onside being five yards behind the defensive line, and letting runners go through by being five yards in front.
All the slide tackles and interceptions in the world don't make up for that, and that's before you consider that he offers nothing at all on the ball to make up for his defensive shortcomings.
Defensive quality is notoriously difficult to measure statistically. As random examples, take a look at VVD, Robertson and Walker's defensive stats:Imagine coming into a conversation with a snarky attitude and completely missing the mark. The reason I posted the fbref stats was to some posters who claimed he is crap defensively for a fullback.
No where do I say that he Cafu or Marcelo in possession. If you are going to make a rebuttal, make sure that you at least have a reading comprehension of a second grader.
Thanks for giving me the
The main takeaway from the defensive stats you posted for AWB is that he has to make more hard defensive actions than you'd ideally like. It doesn't tell you much about how well he actually defends.
Highlighting that further, Dalot also registers well for certain key defensive stats:
https://www.spotrac.com/epl/manchester-united-fc/aaron-wan-bissaka-27885
So, just the £90k/week. Not bad, I was pretty close! Palace would never give him that much. Zaha is on £130k/week,for example
https://www.spotrac.com/epl/crystal-palace/wilfried-zaha-22739/
Edit: and he was never one of their star players. He was a breakthrough academy product who played in a position we had a need and thus they demanded big money. But was never a star player for them.
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Yes they both do, because the fullbacks have far more work to do defensively than our rival teams. Theres a reason for that. The midfield protection and the CBs arent as good for us.Defensive quality is notoriously difficult to measure statistically. As random examples, take a look at VVD, Robertson and Walker's defensive stats:
The main takeaway from the defensive stats you posted for AWB is that lhe has to make more hard defensive actions than you'd ideally like. It doesn't tell you much about how well he actually defends.
Highlighting that further, Dalot also registers well for certain key defensive stats:
And yes, accumulation/number of times they managed to do something defensively is defensive quality. The more you have to do the more likely you're going to make a mistake eventually. So when our rivals fullbacks are responsible for most of the goals they concede, which is the case at City and Liverpool, its worse than if our fullbacks are constantly defending and constantly under pressure and having to constantly compete for the ball and eventually they make a mistake. Because anyone would.
Stretch that line of thinking out to its logical conclusion and Burnley's fullbacks are world class because they also register hatfuls of defensive actions.
.81 ariels won. He's like a lost puppy when the ball is in the air. Teams began to target him in the air, crossing to his winger from the opposite flank. I mean he has no idea where the ball is going to land, it's a free play on the ball every time.Yes, but also ETH's high line emphasizes a lot of 1 vs 1 defending, especially on the counter. AWB is perfect for that. Also judging by how he set up the FBs to tuck in and play the DM role in possession, I think AWB could play the Mazraoui role in possession. Plus he is very athletic, and ETH went on record to say that he wants athletic players.
He also has a very good pass completion and decent progressive carry capacity. And as far as I know there has yet to be a report that said that ETH completed a squad assessment. So far it's our DoF who is doing the business.
The state of our "armchair expert" fans
This is why he stopped featuring.
he's a better player than we've seen, his confidence is shot but then so is everyones
I think he'll do well under less pressure at a mid/low table club, if we can ever sell him that is
typically this is the exact situation we've been so poor in in the past
if this was City or Chelsea they'd sell and get the replacement in right away...
I think he'll do well under less pressure at a mid/low table club, if we can ever sell him that is
typically this is the exact situation we've been so poor in in the past
if this was City or Chelsea they'd sell and get the replacement in right away...
Daniel Alves is free agent
Fecking City were playing musical chairs with fullbacks for £50m a throw every season before they finally landed on the right ones.
Unfortunately we probably don't have the offshore accounts full of oil money to convince anybody in a decision making position at another club to swap a Danilo for a Cancelo...
Our big problem is they’re really shit and on hefty wages so no one actually wants to sign them.
You could have posted this in basically any thread.
Well, not really. We might get extra 5m-8m from them paying his salary for a year and also potentially loan fees