Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch

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Spurs is the better team and fully deserved the 4th spot. Congrats.

I am happy with 5th place finish. It is what it is and see if Edu and Arteta can improve the team further this summer.
 

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Seems a bit much indeed, Jesus is around that much at City and will probably get a nice raise as the "main man".
Lacazette leaving with his 180k pw salary will cover a good chunk of these 2 deals. When (if) Saka renews he will make quite the jump :eek:
 

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Seems a bit much indeed, Jesus is around that much at City and will probably get a nice raise as the "main man".
Lacazette leaving with his 180k pw salary will cover a good chunk of these 2 deals. When (if) Saka renews he will make quite the jump :eek:
His 5 goals in 8 games stats and also end of contract for free transfer helped him alot in negotiation.
 

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5 years though? Seems a long old deal for both parties. I guess there aren't too many good no.9s around, he'd find a club somewhere if Arsenal wanted rid. Maybe he'd be ok with sitting on the bench raking in his 100k.
 

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5 years though? Seems a long old deal for both parties. I guess there aren't too many good no.9s around, he'd find a club somewhere if Arsenal wanted rid. Maybe he'd be ok with sitting on the bench raking in his 100k.
That is a deal between Edu and Nketiah's agent. My guess is he has similar offer from other clubs (for free transfer) so Arsenal has to match or better it. 100k/week for a striker in Arsenal seems reasonable to me.
 

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If they get Raphinha and Gabriel they might be top 3 quality.
No chance, their underlying stats in the best season they've had in a while are no where close to Spurs who finished 4th. I predict they'll regress this season come in 6th / 7th.

In fact I think Spurs might finish 3rd this year if Conte doesn't implode.
 

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No chance, their underlying stats in the best season they've had in a while are no where close to Spurs who finished 4th. I predict they'll regress this season come in 6th / 7th.

In fact I think Spurs might finish 3rd this year if Conte doesn't implode.
What underlying stats can I ask?
 

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If he gets Jesus and Raphina and still doesn't finish top four surely, surely all excuses are out?
 

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Aren’t you and spurs strengthening? How is it an expectation for him to finish top 4?
Because he'd have spent close to half a billion if the rumoured transfers happen (adding Martinez to the rumours list too).

How much backing does he need until he starts getting results?
 

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Because he'd have spent close to half a billion if the rumoured transfers happen (adding Martinez to the rumours list too).

How much backing does he need until he starts getting results?
Is it not rumored that you'll be spending £200M as well?
 

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If spend money can get top 4 then it should be easy for Man Utd.

Utterly bizarre reply . Manchester United were second two years back and then sacked their manager next season when they were not where they should have been so not sure what that has to do with Arteta
 

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Utterly bizarre reply . Manchester United were second two years back and then sacked their manager next season when they were not where they should have been so not sure what that has to do with Arteta
No. I am just saying if spend money get can top 4 or even the league title, then club like Man Utd with its resource should be easy, and we know this is not as simple as that.
 

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If he gets Jesus and Raphina and still doesn't finish top four surely, surely all excuses are out?
If he gets those players plus Martinez (or some other left sided defender) then I think he has no possible excuses in terms of opportunity to build his squad and compete. I won't say it should be top four or the sack, completely black and white, because a million things can happen in football (massive injury crisis, or you can have a very good year and get 77 points and a cup and still plausibly miss out on top four, etc). But I think its definitely at the point where its no longer about squad building and transitioning from the dysfunctional post-Wenger years for Arsenal, its about finding a manager who can deliver results with a pretty talented, coherent squad that a lot of money has been spent rebuilding. Artetas still needs to prove that he can get those results and if he doesn't we should find somebody else.
 

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Martinez (or other cover at LB/CM) + RW and it will have been a very good transfer window. Shift Pepe, renew Saka and it's perfection !
Going to need to look at a good RB cover straight in January to prepare for Cedric's exit who i think won't survive another full season here.
Arteta's target has to be CL qualification wether it's top 4 or EL win with a team mostly built by him and Edu.
 

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Martinez (or other cover at LB/CM) + RW and it will have been a very good transfer window. Shift Pepe, renew Saka and it's perfection !
Going to need to look at a good RB cover straight in January to prepare for Cedric's exit who i think won't survive another full season here.
Arteta's target has to be CL qualification wether it's top 4 or EL win with a team mostly built by him and Edu.
we too light in quality for CM. This should be the priority after Jesus.
Unfortunately I think it’s an area overlooked especially when Elneny has his contract renewed. Wish we got bissouma, the perfect signing. Now I guess we should target Tielemans… but the signals are stronger for Raphina or an equivalent player rather than Cm….
 

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we too light in quality for CM. This should be the priority after Jesus.
Unfortunately I think it’s an area overlooked especially when Elneny has his contract renewed. Wish we got bissouma, the perfect signing. Now I guess we should target Tielemans… but the signals are stronger for Raphina or an equivalent player rather than Cm….
Adrien Rabiot is on the market for 15M. May be an option other than Tielemans. He is a current French International. Not sure if Arsenal can meet his wage demand.
 

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He's better than martial and rashford.
Shit, on current form half the Caf are better than Martial or Rashford. That said, I think if Rashford rediscovers old form, he’s comfortably better. Martial looks like a lost cause, but stranger things have happened.

Either way, I don’t think Jesus is much good. Better than what they have but still not very good. Made to look better by the ridiculously good football city play.
 

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People underrate Jesus, he's got a great all round game - he'll be a good signing for Arsenal and might surprise a few. £45m is a pretty good fee for City too for a player who'd likely not get as much game time next season and would leave for a free at the end of it.

They'll certainly be an interesting watch next season if all their transfers go through.
 

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Adrien Rabiot is on the market for 15M. May be an option other than Tielemans. He is a current French International. Not sure if Arsenal can meet his wage demand.
why him when you can get Tielemans or bissuoma for £25? I know he won’t strengthen the midfield after the Vieira signing. This is what annoys me the most.
 

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why him when you can get Tielemans or bissuoma for £25? I know he won’t strengthen the midfield after the Vieira signing. This is what annoys me the most.
Rabiot has higher work rate and physically stronger than Tielemans. He is a French international starting for france. For 15m it is a good deal.
 

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What underlying stats can I ask?
Usual ones like open play xg, open play xGA, PPDA. Take a look at zones of control as well.

https://theanalyst.com/eu/2022/06/english-premier-league-2021-22-stats

https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/Premier-League-Stats

A good 10-15% difference between Spurs and Arsenal in both xG and xGA. Infact Arsenal open play xG in one of their best seasons recently is the same as United who had an utter dogshit season.

Actually something interesting I noticed was the open play xg diff - you scored 39G from ~49 xG. That is some Brighton level of luck / poor finishing. Most other teams are about on par with their xG total. Wonder if anyone has thoughts there.
 

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Usual ones like open play xg, open play xGA, PPDA. Take a look at zones of control as well.

https://theanalyst.com/eu/2022/06/english-premier-league-2021-22-stats

https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/Premier-League-Stats

A good 10-15% difference between Spurs and Arsenal in both xG and xGA. Infact Arsenal open play xG in one of their best seasons recently is the same as United who had an utter dogshit season.

Actually something interesting I noticed was the open play xg diff - you scored 39G from ~49 xG. That is some Brighton level of luck / poor finishing. Most other teams are about on par with their xG total. Wonder if anyone has thoughts there.
Don't get this.
You are saying that Arsenal scored 39G from 49xG so doesn't that mean that underlying stats are actually better but for some reason they could not convert chances.
 

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Usual ones like open play xg, open play xGA, PPDA. Take a look at zones of control as well.

https://theanalyst.com/eu/2022/06/english-premier-league-2021-22-stats

https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/Premier-League-Stats

A good 10-15% difference between Spurs and Arsenal in both xG and xGA. Infact Arsenal open play xG in one of their best seasons recently is the same as United who had an utter dogshit season.

Actually something interesting I noticed was the open play xg diff - you scored 39G from ~49 xG. That is some Brighton level of luck / poor finishing. Most other teams are about on par with their xG total. Wonder if anyone has thoughts there.
What thoughts? That Arsenal need better finishers? Yes, we've had that thought. We were playing most of the season without a striker. Thats the reason we're after Jesus and Raphinia.