Can Conte win a title for Spurs?

[Paul_Scholes18]

They can win it and I think they have a squad that can do it. Can Conte be a better manager than Pep again for a season though?
He has done it before with Chelsea. Pep is the better manager for a league season. He rotates the squad and keep the levels high even without the star picks.

Let us say this. Kane and Son has a fantastic year and Haaland has a fantastic year and there is no injuries to any top picks. Then it comes down to the big games. I think Conte can win the head to head vs City again.

Then you also need to grind out wins. City does that better than anyone. When City have a bad day they find a way to win. Spurs got the players to get those wins, but ends up with more 0-0 etc than City does.

Sterling and Jesus might go though so City squad depth is weaker. Thus the attack will rest on Haaland and if he gets injured they may struggle even if Pep likely makes Bernardo a false 9 and still wins.

I think though Richarlison will not improve Spurs 11, but he is a good backup. If Kane is super fit and and Son too they may not need Richarlison.

So the interesting thing here is what odds I would bet against Spurs if you could. I think the chance is around 15% they win it. City around 50%.

 

[Powderfinger]

Nothing is impossible but I give it like a 1% chance.

I rate Conte highly but he’s not a miracle worker. When he has don his titles, he has done it with squads that were the best in the league in terms of talent, or at least on par with the best. Chelsea in 16-17 was two years away from winning a title, faced a league in which Poch’s Spurs were the biggest threat, and didn’t play in Europe. His Inter team only really had to conquer a by-then old and dysfunctional Juve. He did amazingly to help build those Juve squads, but they were the most talented in Italy at the time once built.

Spurs are way way behind City and Liverpool in terms of talent. Nothing they’re doing this summer so far is really bridging that gap. They’re adding depth that will help with the busier schedule next year but they haven’t really gone up a level dramatically or anything like that. City may improve more than they do.

In the end, I don’t think Spurs will beat the mid to lower table teams consistently enough. They’ll also need another year with a near perfect health record for key players. And it remains to be seen whether they can juggle the fixture list - Conte’s Chelsea had no European football and his Inter team got knocked out in the group stages and didn’t play in Europe in the spring.

All in all, it’s a massive long shot and would be Conte’s greatest ever achievement if he pulled it off.

 

[ForeverRed1]

Not sure about winning the league.. but one thing is for sure... they mean business next season. Richarlison and spence today.

 

[roonster09]

For City, it is a near perfect season (as you described it), and for Liverpool too. Anything less than a near perfect season will not see them touch 99 points. You have to be near perfect to win every game. Credit to Liverpool and City who have done that 3 out of the last 4 seasons, although both teams have had far from near perfect seasons in that period too, which demonstrates that it cannot just be given to them before they go out and walk it.

And I’m not talking about Leicester winning here either: I’m talking about other top teams winning. A team can be ‘better’ than another, but anything short of their best and another top team can beat them. On a micro level, we see it every Saturday even. Yes, I get that Spurs haven’t won a PL title, but I don’t see how Conte coming in and building a title winning team is any different to Klopp coming and quickly doing the same at a team that hasn’t won it for 30 years.

Ultimately, City or Liverpool may well, even quite likely, win the league this season - my point is, it is not to the point where nobody else may as well turn up, or simply start from August trying to get 3rd. If Spurs, or Chelsea, or even United, won the league next season, it would be unexpected (as of now), but it wouldn’t be spoken of as some sort of massive footballing shock. They are all good teams with good players and good managers too. None of them are Leicester. It was not considered a ‘shock’ when Liverpool won the league after 30 years, or even the previous year when they nearly won it. In fact, football experts largely declared that they ‘expected’ Liverpool to win the league as that season drew to a close. They expected it for no reason other than what was happening in front of their eyes, not because Liverpool were seen as a team that always wins the league. The season prior, they finished 4th, and again, they hadn’t won it for decades.

It’s up to Liverpool and City to go out and reach these ridiculous standards again. At some point, they won’t, snd nobody knows at this point whether that will be this season, in 3 seasons, or in 8. They have to just keep coming out every August and doing it over and over, which is a huge challenge.

City and Liverpool are miles ahead of other teams, in player quality and coaching quality. So it's natural to expect them to be way ahead of chasing pack. Apart from all that, they are way ahead in squad building as they had 7 years to shape their squad.

Tbh I have small hope of us winning league, is it realistic? No, I'm just bring hopeful. Spurs or Chelsea winning is as hopeful, maybe with bit better chances.

Also it's true that Conte is a machine when it comes to league games, but Conte with one game a week is different from Conte with 2-3 games a week.

To the last point, Liverpool and City don't have to reach 95+ points, they need 95+ points to compete with each other, they need 85+ points to be ahead of every other team. No team has reached 80+ points apart from Liverpool and ManCity in last 4 years. Only team that did was ManUtd and that was in 2017-18 season. That's the level of gap we are dealing with here.

 

[Carl]

And Spurs are no Leicester. It would not be called the Greatest Footballing Story Ever Told of Conte wins the league with the squad he has. Everyone would just shrug and say Spurs are a good side. Likewise Chelsea. Everyone thinks Liverpool and City are ‘better’, yet no one will call it a shock if Chelsea finished above either.

Exactly. So to answer if they can win the league, then of course they can.

Doesn't mean I think they will though.

 

[Berbaclass]

Absolutely not.

 

[SmashedHombre]

Sure. If City and Liverpool are expelled from the league for being a bunch of shitheads.

 

[footballistic orgasm]

Yes he can provided that the first team can maintain fitness throughout the season and the bench player abilities are close to the first team standards.

Tactically Conte is way more flexible and better than Pep and Klopp, so he can certainly challenge those 2. Its just about fitness and consistency.

Based on what exactly? He most definitely isn't better than them, and i don't see how he's he's more flexible either.

 

[romufc]

Yes he can provided that the first team can maintain fitness throughout the season and the bench player abilities are close to the first team standards.

Tactically Conte is way more flexible and better than Pep and Klopp, so he can certainly challenge those 2. Its just about fitness and consistency.

Conte is actually the least flexible of them all actually. He only has 1 formation and one way of playing.

 

[GoonerBear]

Perisic and Bisoumma both come straight into the first 11 and improve it significantly - Richarlison will give much needed added depth to the forward line. We are not done yet, we are likely bringing in 2 new central defenders (1 of which will be a first 11 starter) a new RWB (rotation) and possibly an attacking midfielder. I expect our first 11 and squad to have been significantly strengthened by the end of this window.

Does Bissouma replace Hojbjerg? Who are the central defenders, if Lenglet is the best of them then I'm not overly impressed at that.

Right Wing Back is obviously Spence who though highly rated will need to make a big step up,

Who you been linked to in attacking midfield, and where would they play in your 343 formation?

My worry with Spurs isn't necessarily the big games, it's dropping too many points in the games where they need to be on the front foot against sides hard to break down, the Wolves, Brightons etc.

 

[Berbaclass]

Conte is actually the least flexible of them all actually. He only has 1 formation and one way of playing.

Conte used multiple formations at Juventus.

 

[GledTheRed]

3rd

 

[Hoof the ball]

Does Bissouma replace Hojbjerg? Who are the central defenders, if Lenglet is the best of them then I'm not overly impressed at that.

Right Wing Back is obviously Spence who though highly rated will need to make a big step up,

Who you been linked to in attacking midfield, and where would they play in your 343 formation?

Romero. Lenglet next to Romero and another DC is very good.

 

[KirkDuyt]

Seems extremely unlikely for Spurs to win the league regardless of their manager. They should've won it that year Leicester did, but any season where City, Liverpool and behind them Chelsea are on form, Spurs have no chance.

United will win the league before Spurs does.

 

[Berbaclass]

Romero. Lenglet next to Romero and another DC is very good.

Have you seen Llenglet play mate? He's dross

 

[balaks]

Does Bissouma replace Hojbjerg? Who are the central defenders, if Lenglet is the best of them then I'm not overly impressed at that.

Right Wing Back is obviously Spence who though highly rated will need to make a big step up,

Who you been linked to in attacking midfield, and where would they play in your 343 formation?

Apparently we are after Bremer and if not him then Pau Torres with most likely Lenglet in on a loan as more of a back-up rotation option. Bissouma will rotate in midfield with Bentancur and Hojberg (with Skipp as well) and gives us the option to go three in midfield if we want to for some games. Our first choice in a 2 man midfield I suspect would be Bissouma and Bentancur. Attacking midfield not sure a few names around at the moment but it sounds like we may be going to try for Tielemans who isn't really an attacking midfielder however Kulusevski can certainly play there.

 

[Berbaclass]

Apparently we are after Bremer and if not him then Pau Torres with most likely Lenglet in on a loan as more of a back-up rotation option. Bissouma will rotate in midfield with Bentancur and Hojberg (with Skipp as well) and gives us the option to go three in midfield if we want to for some games. Our first choice in a 2 man midfield I suspect would be Bissouma and Bentancur.

How will you survive if you sell Harry Winks though?

 

[GoonerBear]

Romero. Lenglet next to Romero and another DC is very good.

Yeah I know, he said they were signing 2 though. If 2 of the back 3 are still Dier & Lenglet then I think that can be got at. You are then talking about a guy from the Championship at right wing back, and a 33 year old coming into play the fastest league in the world at left wing back.

 

[balaks]

How will you survive if you sell Harry Winks though?

Honestly I don't know. Relegation most likely.

 

[Berbaclass]

Honestly I don't know. Relegation most likely.

RIP

 

[balaks]

Yeah I know, he said they were signing 2 though. If 2 of the back 3 are still Dier & Lenglet then I think that can be got at. You are then talking about a guy from the Championship at right wing back, and a 33 year old coming into play the fastest league in the world at left wing back.

We still have Doherty (who did well when fit and played in his correct position) as well as Spence (assuming we get him) - Emerson I suspect we will sell. It's possible our CB options will be Dier, Romero, Lenglet and Bremer which looks strong to me. I have no concerns about Perisic at all because he is incredibly fit.

 

[romufc]

Conte used multiple formations at Juventus.

In 2011? 10 years ago he used one different formation? He's always used the 3-5-2.

Conte having different formations is further evidence that Klopp and Pep are alot more flexible because in the last 3/4 years they have shown it.

Pep, Klopp have used strikers, false 9, 5 at the back, 2 dm, 2 8's

 

[GoonerBear]

Apparently we are after Bremer and if not him then Pau Torres with most likely Lenglet in on a loan as more of a back-up rotation option. Bissouma will rotate in midfield with Bentancur and Hojberg (with Skipp as well) and gives us the option to go three in midfield if we want to for some games. Our first choice in a 2 man midfield I suspect would be Bissouma and Bentancur. Attacking midfield not sure a few names around at the moment but it sounds like we may be going to try for Tielemans who isn't really an attacking midfielder however Kulusevski can certainly play there.

Let's see then. Conte certainly can't moan he's not been backed, it reminds me of that summer you sold Bale and paraded about 8 new signings, only for about 6 of them to actually be pretty gash.

Bissouma is the interesting 1 for me, will he go on to justify the hype that other supporters seem to have for him, or will he end up a bit like Wanyama.

 

[balaks]

Let's see then. Conte certainly can't moan he's not been backed, it reminds me of that summer you sold Bale and paraded about 8 new signings, only for 6 of them to actually be pretty gash.

Bissouma is the interesting 1 for me, will he go on to justify the hype that other supporters seem to have for him, or will he end up a bit like Wanyama.

Wanyama was amazing for us until his injury to be fair - if he plays as well as Wanyama before the injury I'll be very happy.

 

[Berbaclass]

If I'm a spurs fan I'd prefer to keep Kulusevski in the team rather than get Richarlison for £60 Million.

 

[balaks]

If I'm a spurs fan I'd prefer to keep Kulusevski in the team rather than get Richarlison for £60 Million.

Nobody is suggesting Kulusevski isn't not going to be in the team. He, like Son and Kane won't be able to play every single match through the season.

 

[Berbaclass]

Nobody is suggesting Kulusevski isn't not going to be in the team. He, like Son and Kane won't be able to play every single match through the season.

Just seems like a massive waste though

 

[BusbyMalone]

Nah. I think people are getting giddy over the signings they've made like people tend to do when a club other than the elite makes a few recognizable signings. I remember when Everton went on that splurge and people were forecasting great things for them. I think Bissouma is a decent buy, but nothing extraordinary, and the reaction to the Richarlison signings is completely overblown. He's overpriced and overrated, and I wouldn't trust not to have a massive sulk on when he inevitably doesn't start most games. He's not a player I would want in my squad.

Conte is a good manager though, and no doubt United will have a tough fight on their hands getting fourth along with these lot.

 

[GoonerBear]

2nd game of season, Chelsea vs Spurs might tell is a bit. A top 4 rival that Spurs traditionally don't do well against, do t think they even scored in 4 games vs them last season. If they were to win that, early belief and momentum might be big for them.

 

[balaks]

Just seems like a massive waste though

It's just exactly like Liverpool when they signed Jota. He wasn't necessarily going to start every game but he is a very important squad player for them who plays regularly.

 

[Berbaclass]

It's just exactly like Liverpool when they signed Jota.

Comparing yourselves to Liverpool now

 

[balaks]

Comparing yourselves to Liverpool now

Well yes in terms of the signings we are making to improve the squad then clearly we are now heading that direction. It's not where you came from that matters, it's where you are going.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

The edge City have on everyone else is squad depth - and that is the most important factor in any league campaign. They just keep strengthening too.

Could Conte go all the way with Spurs? Yes, he could - but there's very little room for either error or injury.

The likeliest scenario in which that happens is one where City have a positively bad season and drop significantly more points than what you'd expect them to. And even in that scenario, there's still - for Conte - at least a couple of other likely candidates to deal with.

 

[mctrials23]

Spurs aren’t even in the same postcode as City. Son or Kane gets injured and Spurs lose 1/3 of their quality. Without those two Spurs would be bang average.

 

[Red Star One]

If I'm a spurs fan I'd prefer to keep Kulusevski in the team rather than get Richarlison for £60 Million.

It’s a long long season and you need at least 4 top quality players for three front spots to be able to compete at the very top level.

 

[Berbaclass]

It’s a long long season and you need at least 4 top quality players for three front spots to be able to compete at the very top level.

This is Spurs we're talking about though.

 

[B20]

It is impressive the drive that Conte has brought to the club. Not just in terms of mentality in the squad, but transferwise. They are just going out there and clearly building a better squad than they had before. He knows what it takes to win titles, even if doing it with the competition here is perhaps a step too far.

I think they could be well positioned to snap the title in a year where us and city are a bit off the pace though. 2021, or 2016 when spurs managed to finish 3rd in a one horse race.

 

[balaks]

Spurs aren’t even in the same postcode as City. Son or Kane gets injured and Spurs lose 1/3 of their quality. Without those two Spurs would be bang average.

Does that not make signing Richarlison pretty important then.

 

[Berbaclass]

Does that not make signing Richarlison pretty important then.

Buying a squad player for £60 million. Well done.

 

[balaks]

Buying a squad player for £60 million. Well done.

Thanks , I mean I see this as a huge positive that we are buying high quality squad players and able to afford them. Fair play if you can somehow put a negative spin on it though.