Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap

Frenkie to United?


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AltiUn

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This deal would've been wrapped up weeks ago had I not watched a de Jong compilation video on YouTube.
 

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arnold: “so yeah lads, i went to barcelona with jimmy and we demanded to see laporte. the stupid, foren taxi driver didn’t understand us though and took us the docks instead. quick as a flash jimmy was all “we ain’t here to suck any sailers off. we’re here for de jong, not de dong.” we had a barry and paul (chuckle) cheersed are carlings and then got a uber to there training ground.

of course laporte was at a restaurant. we’d called at an awkward time, between brunch and lunch, so he was sitting down to his fourth meal of the day. me and jimmy burst in to the restaurant and told laporte that de jong was going back with us or we were going to have a scrap. laporte calmed us down by ordering two beers. was that estrella muck but the sun was out so we sank them. a few beers and a few shots later we’d managed to negotiate paying another 20m over three years to them, alongside a goodwill lever of 7m. told them to accept by friday or we’ll add another 5m. it’s only euros so not real money. stupid prick.

went to the beach afterwards and tried to smash a couple of local broads. frigid as feck over there. didn’t even react to jimmy helicoptering his willy after slashing into the sea from the rocks. got easyjet back this morning. heads fecked.”
You need to write a book...diary of the lads
 

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Seems that we've restructured our offer so Barca can pay him off but we now just need Barca to tell him to feck off in order to seal the move.

I'm sure this will get done once he gets the direct communication from the club that he should go.
 

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Can we address the elephant in the room...

4 goals and 6 assists in 61 games across all competitions and internationals last season.

Is 1 in 10 really enough? If all he does is pass to the person who does the actual work then why are we paying so much for FdJ.

13 goals, 23 assists in 230 total professional games all clubs. 91.4% pass accuracy, 12 MOTM so about 5% of the time and this is only marginally better than 1/22 so he barely outshines the average if there are no stand outs.

Per game defensive
1.3 tackles, 1.1 interceptions, 0.6 fouls, 0.1 offside, 0.8 clearances, 0.6 dribbles, 0.1 blocks, 0 o.g.s

Offensive
0.5 shots, 1.2 key passes, 1.7 dribbles, 1.2 fouled, 0.8 dispossessed, 0.9 bad control

Passes
64.6, 0.1 crosses, 2.2 long ball, 0.1 through balls

This player is no Michael Carrick. He also isn't a DM. He isn't a destroyer. He isn't a Pirlo..

He is basically the one missing element from Fred and McTominay...he can do simple passes effectively! Is this really enough?

Maybe stats isn't enough.

I've not watched loads of him and the passing aspect was the key thing I was sure we needed, but now I'm left questioning if this is really a stand out player worth this kind of money.
2 Things....

1st adding to what you are saying, these stats were achieved playing for a dominant Ajax in a relatively weak league (strength in depth) and Barcelona a dominant team in a relatively weak league (strength in depth).....

2nd thing Carrick should not be used as an example of a midfielder to aspire to.... he was bang average and way over hyped on here, the guy was on his way out of the club his performances were so poor until we had a defensive crisis and he had to step in as a CB, admittedly after that reprieve his performances stabilised but still he was, meh at best, he was just slightly better than other bang average midefielders we had at the time, he was fortunate to play in front of a great defence otherwise he would have been exposed more, the worst sideways and backpass merchant I have ever seen play for us, and gave numerous goals away passing to attackers outside our own box,
 

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So he needs to physically be there saying to Laporta ‘don’t forget my money, don’t forget my money’ everyday in order to get paid?

It is a matter of contract, and to me, has no bearing on whether or not he continues to play for Barcelona next season or not. The notion that he wants to leave, but will stay if he can’t sort out his deferred wages sounds odd.
If he leaves his contract is cancelled. That’s why he wants the money owed before leaving.
 

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Like i said on page 4 or 5 he's really not worth all the fecking around.

We should've moved on from this nonsense weeks ago. It's just an embarrassment at this point begging a player to join us that's never once said he wants to come here.
He cant say he wants to come here, it would cost him 17million euros.
 

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If he leaves his contract is cancelled. That’s why he wants the money owed before leaving.
Well of course, his contract going forward is cancelled, not going backwards! The monies owed is for services already rendered.
 

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This has to be the weirdest transfer saga ever. As soon as there's any positive tweet, these Spanish jurnos come flooding with the same ultra negative tweets like FDJ doesn't wanna leave Barca at any cost. This Romero guy was claiming initially that it was 95% done and look at his tweets now. Who the feck should we believe? It's hilarious and sad at the same time.
 

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There could be the possibility that in reality he actually does not want to join. Griezmann, Dybala etc. It wouldn't be the first time in recent history we pursued players who in the end didn't decide to join us.
 

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Insane that people are trying to tell us he not a good player, and it's the elephant in the room, trying to convince us they not be any good for us.


When it's the mew manager who has used him before to great success, who driving this signing, I think we bypass the stats and stick to how the manager see about using him.


He night and day ahead of anyone we have got in the midfield so not even sure their is a debate around it.
 

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How the feck is that a spider? it has wings. It's clearly a butterfly. They have butterflies in their stomach thinking about Frenkie leaving.
THEY. ARE. WORRIED.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, but why is the deferred wages an issue in this transfer? If he is owed them, he is owed them regardless of if he moves or not and could take legal action against Barcelona for non payment even after a move away.

Unless is it tied to a loyality bonus?
I have no idea why the matter of his wage deference would impact his departure. The two do not seem related to me.
It's not money owed legally now. He renegotiated his contract for a salary reduction for year 1 and 2, with year 3, 4 and 5 having all the extra money to pay him back. If he's sold then legally he probably doesn't have a claim to it, but he obviously thinks, morally, he should be paid what he gave up.
 

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SSN just saying that "any suggestions Frenkie De Jong 'doesn't want to come' are FALSE.

fecking rollercoaster.
 

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Seems that we've restructured our offer so Barca can pay him off but we now just need Barca to tell him to feck off in order to seal the move.

I'm sure this will get done once he gets the direct communication from the club that he should go.
One would think that accepting an offer is a pretty direct way of telling someone that they need to go.
 

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2 Things....

1st adding to what you are saying, these stats were achieved playing for a dominant Ajax in a relatively weak league (strength in depth) and Barcelona a dominant team in a relatively weak league (strength in depth).....

2nd thing Carrick should not be used as an example of a midfielder to aspire to.... he was bang average and way over hyped on here, the guy was on his way out of the club his performances were so poor until we had a defensive crisis and he had to step in as a CB, admittedly after that reprieve his performances stabilised but still he was, meh at best, he was just slightly better than other bang average midefielders we had at the time, he was fortunate to play in front of a great defence otherwise he would have been exposed more, the worst sideways and backpass merchant I have ever seen play for us, and gave numerous goals away passing to attackers outside our own box,
Learn to appreciate actual football and stop playing FIFA.
 

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Insane that people are trying to tell us he not a good player, and it's the elephant in the room, trying to convince us they not be any good for us.


When it's the mew manager who has used him before to great success, who driving this signing, I think we bypass the stats and stick to how the manager see about using him.


He night and day ahead of anyone we have got in the midfield so not even sure their is a debate around it.
Not people... Person.
 

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There could be the possibility that in reality he actually does not want to join. Griezmann, Dybala etc. It wouldn't be the first time in recent history we pursued players who in the end didn't decide to join us.
I do reckon if that was the case, with a new manager we would have moved on. Im certain that ETH is convinced we can get him and thus the higher ups are too.

I think its a position where FDJ knows that Barca want him out, and wont budge until hes paid. Barca know United want him and trying to get as much money as possible. United want him, but know Barca are in the shit and wont over pay.
I reckon we had a valuation but havent changed it much, just the guaranteed monies that will go to Barca (so they can use that to pay off)

Think all parties probably want this resolved asap to move on, but its the haggling to try get the best for each party, and each one have called the bluff of the others. If we have in fact agreed both guaranteed and add-ons, then I reckon we will get FDJ within a week or two (because it will allow Barca to pay him off to leave). They will be in a complete shit position now if FDJ stays given the players they are bringing in or have brought in.
 

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Well of course, his contract going forward is cancelled, not going backwards! The monies owed is for services already rendered.
But his new contract is structured so that the 17m is loaded onto his wages for the next 4 years. So if he leaves now he gets none of it. That’s why he effectively saying if you want me out of the club you need to give me 17m now.
 
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