Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Carrick was a good player, but the biggest indictment of his whole 18 year career is that he only became Michael Carrick. People can speculate as to the why’s, but quite simply, he is just Michael Carrick - for everything that does mean and football, and importantly, everything it doesn’t.
Well I watched him in real time as well back then. Even then there where people claiming he didnt do anything. The video explains what it is he did so well and why Ferguson used him.
Much like back then, the critics failed to understand what he did and why he was in fact a great player.
Its not a matter of opinion. Carrick was objectively a great player.
Huge Di Maria vibes.
So we can't judge him on every stat provided on whoscored.com
Maybe you have access to some extra stats or are you a stat naysayer
Spanish & English: deal agreed
Caf gets super giddy
Spanish: Frenkie says feck off
Caf gets depression
English: Frenkie is interested
Caf gets giddy
Rinse and repeat every fecking day, sometimes multiple times in one day.
Absolutely bonkers this, journos just lapping it up.
It’ll be done, very very very rare a player refuses a move when his club agree a deal and want him gone, even more rare would be his ex manager not having a clear indication that he wants it.
Don’t let the journos cloud your emotions on this.
Caf gets super giddy
Spanish: Frenkie says feck off
Caf gets depression
English: Frenkie is interested
Caf gets giddy
Rinse and repeat every fecking day, sometimes multiple times in one day.
Absolutely bonkers this, journos just lapping it up.
It’ll be done, very very very rare a player refuses a move when his club agree a deal and want him gone, even more rare would be his ex manager not having a clear indication that he wants it.
Don’t let the journos cloud your emotions on this.
When was the last time we signed a player from Barca's first team? Hughes?
FA Cup semi final vs City 2011. We lost 1-0
His profile pic is him with De Jong, so he must be telling the truth
Berbatov had a myriad of open chances that he missed. They where a far bigger reason for our loss.
Didn’t even notice that
Wow that's a hot take Zed. You are CAPPING right
Each to their own but just to put it into perspective.
MC Spent 12 years a the club and racked up 5 prem titles, 1 FA cup, 2 league cups, champions league, Europa league and a world club championship as regular starter for our club. That's not the career of a bang average player and he's not a player who picked up these honours whilst sat on the bench either before you list benchwarmers who have also picked up several honours.
If anything he was underrated and it shows with how crap our central midfield has been since he retired. SAF signed him, trusted him and he was one half of his first choice midfield partnership. Carrick would often look for the forward pass when the moment was right. You can't just look forward all the time and try high risk passes even if the front line are magicians.
I get that his highlight real on YouTube probably doesn't leave you wet but come on man if you've ever played the game at a decent level or genuinely understand the game beyond the average viewer then you'd appreciate what a player like MC brings to the table.
I get why he went under the radar for some fans and some fans will be disappointed in FDJ for the same reasons as he isn't going to rack up goals and assists but in terms of the teams transitional play he'll be vital.
Maybe I'm wrong but i feel that he was more than just " meh at best " .
The deal is definitely dead if berbaclass has fallen.
Lets accept it that he prefers „his“ players, especially since our scouting is useless
Tweet seems to be deleted now?
The mods should censor Di Maria the same way they did with *** Guy
It's showing for me. Ends with "he just wants to stay"
Twitter is down, so every chance he's actually signed and we'll have to just wait for teletext like the good ol' days.
Odd, I just get an error message...
Clearly done a typo. Meant to say he’s happy to leave.
It's because Twitter is down.
Ah, no wonder Musk doesn't want to invest :P
Suspect a lot of players like Carrick and Fletcher that were less heralded by fans during their time at the club would be much better appreciated if modern analytical metrics were available.Wow that's a hot take Zed. You are CAPPING right
Each to their own but just to put it into perspective.
MC Spent 12 years a the club and racked up 5 prem titles, 1 FA cup, 2 league cups, champions league, Europa league and a world club championship as regular starter for our club. That's not the career of a bang average player and he's not a player who picked up these honours whilst sat on the bench either before you list benchwarmers who have also picked up several honours.
If anything he was underrated and it shows with how crap our central midfield has been since he retired. SAF signed him, trusted him and he was one half of his first choice midfield partnership. Carrick would often look for the forward pass when the moment was right. You can't just look forward all the time and try high risk passes even if the front line are magicians.
I get that his highlight real on YouTube probably doesn't leave you wet but come on man if you've ever played the game at a decent level or genuinely understand the game beyond the average viewer then you'd appreciate what a player like MC brings to the table.
I get why he went under the radar for some fans and some fans will be disappointed in FDJ for the same reasons as he isn't going to rack up goals and assists but in terms of the teams transitional play he'll be vital.
Maybe I'm wrong but i feel that he was more than just " meh at best " .
Suspect Carrick would have been a standout in progressive passing, buildup metrics, interceptions and tackling. Was never a huge moments player but kept the engine ticking over and kept the ball circulating.
So its initially gone from being a broad agreement on fee to a basic agreement. I think Murtough and co. presumed Barca would take care of the deferred wages with the transfer fee but instead it’s clear that Barca did not have any plans for that. Laporta and Barca have always been the problem and are showing the world what a classless charade they are at the core.
Because it says it’s England v Spain?
Carrick is actually a very good shout as to when that kind of talk started to appear too. There’s a reason that despite him allegedly being world class he wasn’t getting a game for England at that time either.
Sell Depay, pay de Jong!
Jokes aside, it looks like we're paying more upfront so Barca appear to make a profit, the add ons are us paying Barca back when they pay the deferred wages. Now we just need to sort personal terms.
Jokes aside, it looks like we're paying more upfront so Barca appear to make a profit, the add ons are us paying Barca back when they pay the deferred wages. Now we just need to sort personal terms.
Transfer completed. Immediate fan engagement caused twitter to break
Barca don't want him unless he takes a pay cut and forgoes his deferred money!
Agreement made between too clubs on a transfer fee If reports are correct.
FDJ has to be the one who makes up his mind . Let's see but if you read between the lines Barca have to sell imo so who knows. If this hasn't been sorted by Monday. I'm UTD I pull out of it . And leave Barca try and sell him to another club?
Agreement made between too clubs on a transfer fee If reports are correct.
FDJ has to be the one who makes up his mind . Let's see but if you read between the lines Barca have to sell imo so who knows. If this hasn't been sorted by Monday. I'm UTD I pull out of it . And leave Barca try and sell him to another club?
Spanish based journalist proceeds to parrot the Spanish press line. It would be good if one of these “journalists” thought 1) if FDJ had zero intention of leaving why would Manchester United agree a fee and continue to push for him? 2) if FDJ had no intention of leaving why would Barcelona agree to sell? 3) If FDJ had no intention of leaving why would Manchester United be telling Manchester journos he does? 4) And most important - if FDJ had zero intention of leaving why has ETH made him his key target and insisted we push for him AFTER SPEAKING TO HIM? They don’t use any semblance of logic themselves and just parrot the same bullshit over and over.
Frenkie announcement crashed twitter
It’s just stuff like this that’s obviously not true which proves the point. Carrick isn’t close to as good as Rodri.
Post counts have been trending up along with transfer fees.
I do not have all the intel, but everything I understand says that Barca can not afford De Jong. I mean not even close. It is so bad they do not have the money to pay his deferred wages. In addition Barca have been recruiting heavily, but again so in debt they can not register the players. This knowledge of the debt so widespread Bayern want all of Lewy transfer kitty up front.
Is that off significantly anywhere?
So how does Barca keep FDJ?
There seems no way by my understanding. Honestly this is all down to deferred wages and just a standoff. Yeah I want FDJ, but regardless I see no way Barca can keep him based on their current state, even with a reduction in salary, plus the transfers they want.
Time will tell...
Is that off significantly anywhere?
So how does Barca keep FDJ?
There seems no way by my understanding. Honestly this is all down to deferred wages and just a standoff. Yeah I want FDJ, but regardless I see no way Barca can keep him based on their current state, even with a reduction in salary, plus the transfers they want.
Time will tell...
Would it be at all possible for you guys to take all this carrick bullshit to a different thread?
2009 one was 137 pages. The thread where he joined us was around 80 pages.
I'm going to personally ridicule each and every walk way poster when FDJ wins us the league and also wins the Ballon D'Or
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