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Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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So many gullible kids taking clickbait from someone named 'Ryan Walker' as gospel.
Man's so fake the source is cited everywhere as 'DailyMail'..
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There are so many levers, I mean levels.This is the thread of the summer, the place to be, the cream of the crop of threads... embrace it
Surprised you didn't go all caps there
Would make sense if you actually knew what I was referring toSo many gullible kids taking clickbait from someone named 'Ryan Walker' as gospel.
Man's so fake the source is cited everywhere as 'DailyMail'..
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You have that the complete wrong way around. You don't add inflation, you discount it.
Discounted cash flows take into account inflation and the time value of having the money in hand TODAY. That's why you get 500-600M for that future revenue stream, not 2bn.
Why on earth would you pay 2bn today to receive 1bn over 25 years? It's mental.
Your logic is it won't be 1bn but more because... well, inflation. Inflation is a risk here, you know it 100% depreciates the money but you don't know how much you will be able to pass on to those buying your rights (and/or these to final consumers).
That's why you pay less today for what over time will add up to more, you are paying the cost of having the capital in hand here and now.
Not sure the Bruno stuff fits in this conversation. Variances in pay within a football team is the norm as is how much of a transfer fee the player commands. If Bruno wants to get paid more that's his negotiation to be had. He's not getting paid less because another player comes in.
It's a different story if United as a club decides to define salary caps as a standard by which we sign players. That's a whole different conversation and should be had irrespective of the FDJ negotiations.
It may be helpful to understand my opinion by taking a step back:
If it became clear that FDJ was not a viable option either because of the fee or dispute around his owed pay, United should have pulled out earlier on. There has been zero new developments in the last two months except for Barca signing more players.
The fact that we persisted on this particular deal signals the importance of the player to ETH and belief that he will come if the money is sorted.
As much as I disapprove of Barcelona's behavior here and am loath letting them get away with it, I would rather take care of our clubs needs first. At this stage, we would lose more by not spending an extra £17M and signing him (if that is possible). It very well could be the difference between top 4 and trophies and not. And it could mean missing him in a different window should another suitor come. (most posters seem to think the likes of Sangare, Ruiz, and Neves are trash in comparison)
Still all of that is a moot point. If ETH sanctions paying all of that for FDJ then it's on him to get the best out of him and make the squad comfortable with the decision.
With you on this one. I think we all understand the argument that we need to back ETH and this is his key player. Given the purported amount of the fee agreed, we have been more than fair with Barca. If we need to subsidise some of the deferred wages (effectively adding onto the transfer fee), I’m still good. But to make him the highest or second highest paid when he doesn’t really want to join us will disrupt the dressing room which is just beginning to heal its rifts. Then we have Rolando pulling all sort of crap which clearly won’t be settled before the season starts.
Aye, I said the deals aren't bad, it doesn't mean it's necessarily sustainable. They obviously can't keep doing this every Summer.
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Your numbers do make sense.
Someone should do a Timeline compilation of this thread for posterity's sake, we went from interminable discussions about his best position and weather comparisons to Emm butterflies and consumption of feces ???
Truly a journey worthy of Iliad , homer would be proud.
Can't wait to see what's next.
Truly a journey worthy of Iliad , homer would be proud.
Can't wait to see what's next.
Different day, same shit.
Haha thats just kicking de Jong when he's down really isn't it?
Not only are they saying he's not wanted or needed, now they're telling him to get out so they can sign their new shiny toy. But hey, this is his dream club, they could never do anything bad to him right? Riiiight?
It seems like Barca will foot the bill to some extent (given the talk about the 7m payout earlier).
Given the nature of the transfer I think it'll be a compromise by everyone involved (De Jong forgoes a part of his deferred wages, Barca foot a significant bill and we throw in a few million over the duration of the contract)
That's Harsh. Time to leave Frenkie
Oh yes
Sums up every page in this thread for the past month. At least one way or another its over in 31 days
He will still love them with all his heart though despite being treated like total shite
That’s more like it.
As said I find this idea of paying a player for the services rendered at another club as disgusting and quite frankly dangerous as well. I hope that it won't set a precedent were teams will sign players because they offered ridiculous contracts only to expect prospective buyers to foot the bill for that
I am all out in backing the manager but we also need to admit that managers aren't infallible either. They might commit mistakes and sometimes they need to be stopped as well.
So the third lever means that they can afford to pay Frenkie what he’s owed. Lovely.
fecking levers
fecking levers
As Jong as it takes
''Frenkie de jong edging closer to Manchester move''
Some posters taking it for granted that he doesn’t want to come here simply because he hasn’t announced publicly that he does.
Posters believing that ETH is dumb enough to keep after FDJ, despite knowing that he will refuse to come.
Some posters acting like we can somehow be conned into paying more than we think he is worth to us.
Some posters saying “he’s ours, done dealio.”
The canals thing was great.
Funny thread. Hope we get this boy. He looks like a reasonably calm, tidy central midfielder who can pick a pass (there’s the bar).
Posters believing that ETH is dumb enough to keep after FDJ, despite knowing that he will refuse to come.
Some posters acting like we can somehow be conned into paying more than we think he is worth to us.
Some posters saying “he’s ours, done dealio.”
The canals thing was great.
Funny thread. Hope we get this boy. He looks like a reasonably calm, tidy central midfielder who can pick a pass (there’s the bar).
Can't wait for the mr hands iteration.
Big Fab back in the game!
Right up until 11pm on Sept 1
Nah, European clubs won't start doing that systematically because Manchester United only have the bandwidth and budget for one pet peeve per summer.
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