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This. Definitely. Remember when he came off his line... all the way over to the LB position? His determination to show he was not rooted to his line like DeGea resulted in some suicidal plays. He was more prone to moving around in the box, but his shot-stopping was well below DeGea, and I didn't think he was any better with his feet.
The willingness to come of your line and sweep allows the defenders to confidently push high allowing the team to squezze the space in the opposition half and successfully high press.

Having a GK like de gea who is less willing or confident to sweep a long way from goal means your defenders are much less confident in pushing high making it much harder to effectively high press creating space between the lines for the opposition to play into.

Not only do the stats proove that we conceded on average less goals with Henderson in nets, they also proove we played with a much higher defensive line on average aswell.

So those 'suicidal plays' he does actually help the team out they help the team out alot alot more than De geas 'better' shot stopping.
 

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Yeah. Because he wanted to play football so much so, that he wouldn't risk being used stuck at the club as a smalltime pawn. He was misled and doesn't trust the hierarchy. Yet, here we are blaming him. He was secured and signed on big wages, promised a spot and then left to sit on the bench. We certainly haven't improved by using him like that. He is the clubs asset and he has been devalued by the club, not the other way around.

If you don't like the way he speaks, it's because he is honest and ambitious and you're probably not. The thing I really don't get is that everybody blames the club for how poor we've been, but when a player speaks out on his own mistreatment - he get the abuse from fans. Makes sense.
Yes, it does make sense Dean is taking the stick he has brought on himself. These are his words:

"To be honest, it has probably been the toughest 12 months of my career," Henderson told TalkSport on Tuesday. "The conversation I had coming out of the Euros squad was: 'You're coming back here to be the No. 1.'

"I got COVID-19, came back, so I should have still been the number one but then nobody followed through with what they had told me. It was frustrating, because I turned down so many good loans last summer for that reason, and they would not let me go.

"To sit there for 12 months, it is criminal really, at my age. I was fuming. I told the hierarchy that I need to be playing football and to let me go, and I was almost gone before the manager [Erik ten Hag] came through the door. I have not spoken to him since."


We can appreciate that the last 12 months have been the toughest of his professional career. Every footballer wants to play. But he makes it sound as though he was guaranteed the starting job and even if that was believable, which it's not, as a footballer you are guaranteed nothing except your contractual wages. If he were better than De Gea in the eyes of his managers he would have been the regular starter. But in truth he's just not better than De Gea.

"Criminal" is clearly hyperbole but even as hyperbole he's out of order. The club paid his wages without a moment's hesitation and never once to our knowledge was he asked to take a pay cut. Meanwhile, De Gea was arguably our best player last season and was undeniably our best player by some distance for 4-5 seasons when we were truly shit under Van Gaal and Mourinho. When your keeper is your best player and was your best player for half a decade and is nowhere near the end of his career you don't throw him under the bus for a promising but unproven talent like Dean Henderson. It's fair enough that he told hierarchy that he needs to be playing football but these comments to the media are completely out of order. Let's make the loan a sale and be done with this self-righteous clown.
 

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I like how players who want to play football(even accepting the loans to lower clubs) are regarded as cnuts and full of themselves, but at the same time there are same people here who have defended the likes of Jones, Mata, who are happy to sit on the bench for years and earn their wages doing nothing.

I am not particulary fond of Henderson either, but he is completely fine to be mad at the club if he wanted to play football, if they already promised him.
 

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“It’s criminal” is a turn of phase, calm down.
Agreed, in context he was referring to the year being a "criminal" waste of a year of his career, rather than directly saying Uniteds treatment of him was criminal. Still fairly bad given it was said together with criticism of the club giving him assurances of playing time, but not as bad as the headlines make it to be.

What I don't get, is that blunt criticism would seem to suggest he feels done with United or would be happy to cut ties, so I wonder why he didn't push for a permanent move.
 

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The fuss about him wanting to play against United...:lol:Obviously he does. He feels he didn't get a proper chance here, of course he wants to play against United. Why shouldn't he say that?

I think it's a stupid rule btw that players don't play against the teams they are loaned from. It's a form of distortion of competition. In general every team should be facing the same opponents. Of course injuries and suspensions happen as well as managers choosing different line-ups. However, excluding players beforehand for specific matches is not really respecting fair play rules IMO.
 

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I like how players who want to play football(even accepting the loans to lower clubs) are regarded as cnuts and full of themselves, but at the same time there are same people here who have defended the likes of Jones, Mata, who are happy to sit on the bench for years and earn their wages doing nothing.

I am not particulary fond of Henderson either, but he is completely fine to be mad at the club if he wanted to play football, if they already promised him.
100% with this comment. It’s seems all our fringe players were given promises that didn’t happen. That’s why we ended up with a squad pissed off, not training, not performing and leaking every bit of news they could.
 

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This. Definitely. Remember when he came off his line... all the way over to the LB position? His determination to show he was not rooted to his line like DeGea resulted in some suicidal plays. He was more prone to moving around in the box, but his shot-stopping was well below DeGea, and I didn't think he was any better with his feet.
“His shot stopping was well below De Gea”

20/21 post shot expected goals: Henderson +0.3 & De Gea +0.1. He even beat De Gea at his own statistic that season ffs.

19/20 Henderson at Sheffield United +5.2 PSxG v De Gea “back to his best” 21/22 +6.7 PSxG

So statistically he’s not “well below De Gea” and also had the added bonus of not being absolutely useless at every other aspect of goalkeeping. Hope this helps.
 

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So what happens when you need your number 2 but they're out on loan?

Then you send your number 3 on loan to the team your number 2 is at recall him to be your number 1 and when your original number 1is fit again swap the 3 and the 2.

At which point then next time your number 1 gets injured your number 3 has been playing games for the team your 2 was at and can stand in for your 1 keeping your number 2 on loan as their number 1.

Off course as compensation to the loan club who lost your 2 their 1 for your 3 when your 1 was injured the first time you can then agree to send your 1 to them if their 1 your 2 gets injured knowing your 3 has already been your 1 so can just slot back in.
 

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But on the other hand, if you get told you'll play football and you sit on your arse for a whole season, you would be massively disappointed. It depends on what that discussion was, which we are not privy to. If certain expectations were set and we asked the player to stay and then did not fulfill them, you would be angry. On the other hand if we did no such thing and said that he has to win a place, then it is less justified.
For me it's a case in which you can understand both sides. He probably was expected to be the number 1 keeper because that's how he finished the previous season, but he got Covid and De Gea came back into form, and that was that.

Was Henderson unlucky? Absolutely. Does he have the right to feel aggrieved? Yes, because he wasted a year. Could United have handled it differently, like giving him more games? Of course not, because De Gea was doing very well.

That's just the way it goes sometimes.
 

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Bizarre.

I've said for a long time that Henderson is nowhere near as good as he thinks. Anyway, he's burned his bridges now, we need to sign a decent number two this window.
 

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I like how players who want to play football(even accepting the loans to lower clubs) are regarded as cnuts and full of themselves, but at the same time there are same people here who have defended the likes of Jones, Mata, who are happy to sit on the bench for years and earn their wages doing nothing.

I am not particulary fond of Henderson either, but he is completely fine to be mad at the club if he wanted to play football, if they already promised him.
Agreed. Stupid stupid contract though. Same as Lingard. At one point we could have had 60 million for those two lads and they’d have been happy to be let leave. Instead we made promises that we didn’t keep and shut them up with money. Money isn’t everything. Now we have an unhappy and overpaid Henderson that most clubs at his current level cannot afford (as I said we would when he signed the deal) We are easily the worst run club in the country when it comes to selling players and giving stupid contracts.
 

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He's an alright keeper. Should have been given a real chance but Ole fecked him over.

Such is life.
 

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He's an alright keeper. Should have been given a real chance but Ole fecked him over.

Such is life.
As someone posted above, Ole was manager for only 6 matches when Henderson came back after long covid. The season before he was starting the league games.
 

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You couldn't take advantage of De Gea when he had his lowest point of his career to establish yourself. So Deano, what I think of your grievances...

 
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With the ego this prick has you'd expect him to be the new Neuer. He's a cnut, sell him as soon as possible.
 

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He's an alright keeper. Should have been given a real chance but Ole fecked him over.

Such is life.
Ole didn't feck him over. He got covid, de gea played well, and he failed to displace him. De Gea went into pre seasons knowing that he might not be first choice but managed to do well and keep his spot, as any professional should do.

No player in the world can be 100% guaranteed a starting spot regardless, but moreover, henderson was never a top keeper, he played some good games for us and that's it.

He's a tosser and you can see clearly from the interview that he lacks self awareness. Now he added so much pressure on himself to perform this season, he'll be under the microscope unnecessarily.

God we had so many twats on the team.
 

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I like how players who want to play football(even accepting the loans to lower clubs) are regarded as cnuts and full of themselves, but at the same time there are same people here who have defended the likes of Jones, Mata, who are happy to sit on the bench for years and earn their wages doing nothing.

I am not particulary fond of Henderson either, but he is completely fine to be mad at the club if he wanted to play football, if they already promised him.
Is it not possible to want to play and not go whinging like a Cnut in the media?

Simply ask for a transfer request. He doesn’t have to sit on the bench for 5 years.
 

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I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said multiple times already, but I can't understand what he hoped to achieve by this. DDG is in the last year of his contract, and whatever his grievance, ETH had nothing to do with it, and so would probably have considered him next season. It just seems ill-advised.
 

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I can empathise with him if he thought last season would be his breakthrough but when it’s a single position up for grabs and you get Covid when the first choice suddenly finds form you’re not gonna be able to do too much to dislodge him and that’s the nature of the game.

A bit of an idiot to come out and trash the club like that though. Definitely would wonder if he’s been leaking some of the stories to the press the mouthy git.

Definitely need to sell him next summer.
 

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“His shot stopping was well below De Gea”

20/21 post shot expected goals: Henderson +0.3 & De Gea +0.1. He even beat De Gea at his own statistic that season ffs.

19/20 Henderson at Sheffield United +5.2 PSxG v De Gea “back to his best” 21/22 +6.7 PSxG

So statistically he’s not “well below De Gea” and also had the added bonus of not being absolutely useless at every other aspect of goalkeeping. Hope this helps.
Stats arent everything. We had massive issues in the dressing room last season. This interview pretty much confirms that Henderson was one of the twats creating drama.
I hope he never gets in a United shirt again.
Yes we need to upgrade on De Gea, but Henderson will never be the answer.
 

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He's an alright keeper. Should have been given a real chance but Ole fecked him over.

Such is life.
He did get a real chance and did better than DDG has done in about 4 years. The problem he has is that he was assured he had done enough to be no.1 at Man Utd, which had been his career goal. When he came back after his injury & covid Ole was struggling to hold onto his job and DDG was making saves again. Ole didn't give him the chance to follow up on it.

I can understand him being annoyed by that, but he was wrong to put it out in punlic. He'll likely look back and regret his choice of words in the future.
 

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For me it's a case in which you can understand both sides. He probably was expected to be the number 1 keeper because that's how he finished the previous season, but he got Covid and De Gea came back into form, and that was that.

Was Henderson unlucky? Absolutely. Does he have the right to feel aggrieved? Yes, because he wasted a year. Could United have handled it differently, like giving him more games? Of course not, because De Gea was doing very well.

That's just the way it goes sometimes.
But he could have played better and dispossessed De Gea. I'm not sure what he could feel aggrieved about. He signed a long term contract and was deemed not 1st choice. It's up to him to play well enough to have a starting spot. He might be frustrated at himself, but what's he harboring a grudge at the team about?
 

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I can understand him being annoyed by that, but he was wrong to put it out in punlic. He'll likely look back and regret his choice of words in the future.
Do you think if he's proving as one of the best Gk in the future, United won't try to buy him because of this interview (if United need a Gk)?
 

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Do you think if he's proving as one of the best Gk in the future, United won't try to buy him because of this interview (if United need a Gk)?
he won't be proven as one of the best goalkeepers though, he's a solid PL keeper. He thinks he's prime Buffon apparently. He got covid and De Gea took his chance. These things happen in football.

Never mind the fact De Gea is a better keeper than Henderson ever will be.
 

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Stats arent everything. We had massive issues in the dressing room last season. This interview pretty much confirms that Henderson was one of the twats creating drama.
I hope he never gets in a United shirt again.
Yes we need to upgrade on De Gea, but Henderson will never be the answer.
I didn't say they were but when there are constant posts such as "he didn't do enough during his run in the team" or "his shot stopping is nowhere near De Gea", the easiest rebuttals of those claims is by using the stats because they are objective and most people are blinded in an eye-test because of De Gea's flying saves and ignore the deficiencies - aside from the obvious ones - such as his weaknesses at his near post and his tendency to use his feet when making saves.

And again, I'm not Henderson's biggest fan, I doubt he'll ever be of the long term standard to be our number one but the reality is that he was better suited to the position last season and is certainly better suited to the position this season. But like you say, if he's problematic in the dressing room then he's best off away - but that doesn't mean it's then reasonable for the shouts of him being a bad goalkeeper to come out or that he didn't do well when he played in 20/21 because he objectively did every part of the game better than De Gea individually and it contributed to our best defensive record in terms of goals conceded per game over the past several years (as well as the team winning more games).
 

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he won't be proven as one of the best goalkeepers though, he's a solid PL keeper. He thinks he's prime Buffon though.
If he thought he was prime Buffon then he wouldn't have insisted on leaving before Ten Hag saw him in training. I don't know how so many of you can completely misread the interview.
 

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100% with this comment. It’s seems all our fringe players were given promises that didn’t happen. That’s why we ended up with a squad pissed off, not training, not performing and leaking every bit of news they could.
I've had a lot of jobs and it's kind of normal that employees or superiors lie to you to keep you motivated. But it's a fine line. When it's too much, it's like you described, it kills the company.
 

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Do you think if he's proving as one of the best Gk in the future, United won't try to buy him because of this interview (if United need a Gk)?
I think the club would be better off seeing how he does this season, if he does well enough, then bringing him back in next year and giving him a shot at being no.1 might not be the worst idea if DDG doesn't get a new deal. Personally, I think he'll leave, it wouldn't suprise me if he ends up at Spurs in the future to replace Lloris.

I think Utd should keep an opening for a long term no.1. I'd be keeping a tight eye on Bazunu, he is very much a modern day keeper, but he also posseses the strengths you'd see with traditional keeping, controls his box, claims high balls, sweeps, reaction saves etc. he has everything in his locker to be a top top keeper. Will be very interested in seeing how he does for Southampton this season.
 

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I think the club would be better off seeing how he does this season, if he does well enough, then bringing him back in next year and giving him a shot at being no.1 might not be the worst idea if DDG doesn't get a new deal. Personally, I think he'll leave, it wouldn't suprise me if he ends up at Spurs in the future to replace Lloris.

I think Utd should keep an opening for a long term no.1. I'd be keeping a tight eye on Bazunu, he is very much a modern day keeper, but he also posseses the strengths you'd see with traditional keeping, controls his box, claims high balls, sweeps, reaction saves etc. he has everything in his locker to be a top top keeper. Will be very interested in seeing how he does for Southampton this season.
Absolutely not. We should never reward players that are publicly attacking the club like that.
We need to hope he does well at Forrest and then sell him to the highest bidder and get a proper replacement for De Gea.
 

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Don't want him back full stop he seems a proper rotten egg - hope he does ok and we can sell him.

New keeper in the next 2 years please, not him.

And that's based on watching him perform for us I get he did ok on loan but he didn't look up to it mentally it seems he's not the strongest in that department.
 

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I'm not sure if he's completely good enough to be first choice for us but when he played under Ole he did just as well as DDG did and was playing more and more by the end so you can understand him resigning and giving it a go for another season

He's at an age when he has to play now though and he's certainly better than one of those goalies that has a career as second choice, he'll find a club and no doubt do very well

There's also the England situation. Pickford is nothing special and that's certainly a position up for grabs, he could very well start the World Cup if his form is good over the next few months
 

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He was mismanaged. The same story with so many players last season. That group have justifiable reason to grudge but it should be directed at Ole rather than the club. The actions of a clueless manager cost the players in time and potentially cost the club millions. Ole wanted tools he couldn't use. Even his marquee signing whom he raved about for so long, Sancho, was looking like a misfit. It was a wasted year of everyone's lives. We were also victims.
 

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He was mismanaged. The same story with so many players last season. That group have justifiable reason to grudge but it should be directed at Ole rather than the club. The actions of a clueless manager cost the players in time and potentially cost the club millions. Ole wanted tools he couldn't use. Even his marquee signing whom he raved about for so long, Sancho, was looking like a misfit. It was a wasted year of everyone's lives. We were also victims.
And how many games was he available under Ole and not playing? Do you actually know and do you care to check or doesn't that fit your narrative?