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I'm really not sure what you expected. Arteta to throw a few DDTs on Auba or rugby tackle while dressed only in a towel and baseball cap?
Again you didn't get my point. Go and see Spurs documentary or even city documentary or Juve's. Of course you won't throw your manager under the bus but you focus on the team in general but here the documentary is made to make arteta look credible. It's like Vince McMahon booking his favorite character. Game happens and you have arteta give his Pep esque speeches. I may be in minority but some of the stuff seem forced is my point. It is like the goal is let make sure Arteta comes looking good from this. Rest we don't care much.

And as I said it is a smart thing to do. Arteta needs backing by their own fans. You don't want to become a troll worthy guy aka Ole or Lampard. Arteta has a good PR behind him and hence I said now he has to walk the talk and bring CL football.
 

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I am enjoying the documentary as I do with most of these type documentary. Although nothing beats Sunderland's documentary in Netflix. Brilliant viewing that was.
 

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The worst part was the actual Premiere, Totally cringe worthy and embarrasing!

A movie about constant bottlers

With more Z listers on the red carpet than the Zombie movie Z
 

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Again you didn't get my point. Go and see Spurs documentary or even city documentary or Juve's. Of course you won't throw your manager under the bus but you focus on the team in general but here the documentary is made to make arteta look credible. It's like Vince McMahon booking his favorite character. Game happens and you have arteta give his Pep esque speeches. I may be in minority but some of the stuff seem forced is my point. It is like the goal is let make sure Arteta comes looking good from this. Rest we don't care much.

And as I said it is a smart thing to do. Arteta needs backing by their own fans. You don't want to become a troll worthy guy aka Ole or Lampard. Arteta has a good PR behind him and hence I said now he has to walk the talk and bring CL football.
I probably shouldn't comment until I've watched them, but we are only 3 episodes in, and in previous series they tend to focus on an individual or 2 as a back story to run alongside the time line.

Perhaps when you watch all 8 episodes it fits better in the context? I certainly remember plenty of Jose & Levy in the Spurs documentary.
 

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Watching these all or nothing documentaries really illuminates how basic top level football really can be. People like us on forums analyse everything to the nth degree, write dissertations about tactics and roles, people who watch games back and take screenshots to illustrate a point .... all for free in our own time and for passion of the game. And then you have these managers paid millions each year revealing some of their best work is this



Now obviously I realise there is much more to them than that. But it just shows that sometimes we can overestimate and overanalyse the game at the top as if the higher you go the basic principles of motivation, passion etc get removed. Football is not nuclear physics and it is nice to see the top managers + Arteta showing they are not immune from doing things that are done on sunday league pitches every week.
 

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Watching these all or nothing documentaries really illuminates how basic top level football really can be. People like us on forums analyse everything to the nth degree, write dissertations about tactics and roles, people who watch games back and take screenshots to illustrate a point .... all for free in our own time and for passion of the game. And then you have these managers paid millions each year revealing some of their best work is this



Now obviously I realise there is much more to them than that. But it just shows that sometimes we can overestimate and overanalyse the game at the top as if the higher you go the basic principles of motivation, passion etc get removed. Football is not nuclear physics and it is nice to see the top managers + Arteta showing they are not immune from doing things that are done on sunday league pitches every week.
I highly doubt the most detailed analysis see the light of day as far as the cameras are concerned. If that happened opposition coaching staff would study it with a fine tooth comb.

When AVB was appointed as our manager one of his scout reports (for Jose 1.0) was leaked and it felt like reading a foreign language.
 

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The worst part was the actual Premiere, Totally cringe worthy and embarrasing!

A movie about constant bottlers

With more Z listers on the red carpet than the Zombie movie Z
Show some respect son, those bottlers finished 11 points above your team. ;)

I quite enjoyed the first two episodes, but like all of them I get bored quite quick. Most of the stuff you would want to hear (tactics, training prep) etc is never included.
 

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Watching these all or nothing documentaries really illuminates how basic top level football really can be.
I don't think they illuminate anything at all. The editing is meticulous to focus on the most basic parts that will appeal to the masses, as highlighting too much of the coaching methods would be counter productive.
 

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I don't think they illuminate anything at all. The editing is meticulous to focus on the most basic parts that will appeal to the masses, as highlighting too much of the coaching methods would be counter productive.
Spot on. I reckon that most fans probably won't find internal tactical and statistical analysis of games very interesting, and thus they try to show the emotional side way more than the detailed day-to-day work the staff goes through every day.
 

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The fecking brain and heart holding hands with the fan above them :lol: Why does everything need to be drawn?
 

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The fecking brain and heart holding hands with the fan above them :lol: Why does everything need to be drawn?
Arteta's drawings look better than your tagline
 

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Watching these all or nothing documentaries really illuminates how basic top level football really can be. People like us on forums analyse everything to the nth degree, write dissertations about tactics and roles, people who watch games back and take screenshots to illustrate a point .... all for free in our own time and for passion of the game. And then you have these managers paid millions each year revealing some of their best work is this

Now obviously I realise there is much more to them than that. But it just shows that sometimes we can overestimate and overanalyse the game at the top as if the higher you go the basic principles of motivation, passion etc get removed. Football is not nuclear physics and it is nice to see the top managers + Arteta showing they are not immune from doing things that are done on sunday league pitches every week.
Its Tottenham lads.
 

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Interesting to see the away dressing room at Anfield with a bench in the middle of it that separates the team for the team talk. Clever.
 

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Watching these all or nothing documentaries really illuminates how basic top level football really can be. People like us on forums analyse everything to the nth degree, write dissertations about tactics and roles, people who watch games back and take screenshots to illustrate a point .... all for free in our own time and for passion of the game. And then you have these managers paid millions each year revealing some of their best work is this



Now obviously I realise there is much more to them than that. But it just shows that sometimes we can overestimate and overanalyse the game at the top as if the higher you go the basic principles of motivation, passion etc get removed. Football is not nuclear physics and it is nice to see the top managers + Arteta showing they are not immune from doing things that are done on sunday league pitches every week.
Yeah I thought this, really is quite simple. We over think it because we don't get access so fill in the mystery.
 

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The more I watch these 'All or Nothing's, the more I'm convinced that Rangnick never went to any of that trouble during his time here. He didn't know anything about his team. I doubt whether he had any 1:1 chats with any of the players or went through that level of preparation for each game.

No wonder we were so bad. There had to be a reason why we were just so bad. I just can't see him doing any of that stuff.
 

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The more I watch these 'All or Nothing's, the more I'm convinced that Rangnick never went to any of that trouble during his time here. He didn't know anything about his team. I doubt whether he had any 1:1 chats with any of the players or went through that level of preparation for each game.

No wonder we were so bad. There had to be a reason why we were just so bad. I just can't see him doing any of that stuff.
And he still knew we needed 10 new players.
 

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Watching these all or nothing documentaries really illuminates how basic top level football really can be. People like us on forums analyse everything to the nth degree, write dissertations about tactics and roles, people who watch games back and take screenshots to illustrate a point .... all for free in our own time and for passion of the game. And then you have these managers paid millions each year revealing some of their best work is this

Forgot about this gem :lol: hilarity aside though, that was actually part of an intense HT team talk and he got the players fired up for the second half.
 

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The more I watch these 'All or Nothing's, the more I'm convinced that Rangnick never went to any of that trouble during his time here. He didn't know anything about his team. I doubt whether he had any 1:1 chats with any of the players or went through that level of preparation for each game.

No wonder we were so bad. There had to be a reason why we were just so bad. I just can't see him doing any of that stuff.
Imagine voluntarily locking yourself in a 1 to 1 with Harry Maguire ? He was not paid enough to do that...
 

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Interesting: Manager has a player who is getting a bit big for his boots. He keeps a list of misdemeanours & bansishes him, but still comes under pressure from the execs to get him back into the team!

Remind us of anything?

Arteta stuck to his guns and Aubameyang left. Were it not for a late collapse they would have made it into the CL. I bet Arsenal make it to the CL this season. We should learn from this.
 
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What a dreadful half time talk that was compared to the first before the game with City when they started great. Leading 1-0 and Arteta and the other coach tells them to “take them down if they get you in positions your not comfortable” of course Xhaka and Gabriel have to conform, give a away a pen and get a red card eventually losing the match in the last minute. Idiots.

Infuriated me watching that because I had totally forgot about it and it was huge in the title race and now remember it was the game Rodri ran to the Arsenal fans.

And that bloody Martinelli miss at 1-1 when it was cleared off the line!
 

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Really is embarrassing, was watching it yesterday and my mrs didn't believe he was a real manager she thought it was an actor in a bad comedy series
He gives off 'teacher' vibes in the dressing room. I've said it before, this only works with young players gullible enough to buy anything and they are still in their honeymoon period. They've basically become Spurs, which is not a terrible thing considering they were below them during the prime Poch days.
 

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He gives off 'teacher' vibes in the dressing room. I've said it before, this only works with young players gullible enough to buy anything and they are still in their honeymoon period. They've basically become Spurs, which is not a terrible thing considering they were below them during the prime Poch days.
Maybe that's something you need to do then considering how fecked up a playing squad & dressing room you's seem to have?
 

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Maybe that's something you need to do then considering how fecked up a playing squad & dressing room you's seem to have?
Well, that's kind of my point. Ole had the dressing room rocking, until he didn't. Eventually Mikel will hit a ceiling, the question is how messy will the divorce be. Does your board or Edu have the foresight to replace him? Or back him all the way until the train goes off the rails.
 

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I went into this thinking what a joke it would be, and how ridiculous Arteta comes across. After watching the first couple of episodes, I still think that way, but maybe a little less so. Letting the photography man speak to the team before the NLD was a nice touch.
 

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Well, that's kind of my point. Ole had the dressing room rocking, until he didn't. Eventually Mikel will hit a ceiling, the question is how messy will the divorce be. Does your board or Edu have the foresight to replace him? Or back him all the way until the train goes off the rails.
Ole started of doing things the right way in my opinion, figuring out the likes of Lukaku early doors, he just wasn't ruthless enough with the likes of Pogba & Lingard still there.

However, whether it was him or the club signing them, to then go out and get the likes of Varane & Ronaldo totally undermined the good work he had done to start with.

Edu / Arteta have at least now got a plan and are sticking to it with the profile of player they are signing. If it has to be younger gullable players or players the manager has worked with before then so be it, because we've already shown it doesn't work with egos filling the dressing room.
 

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Ole started of doing things the right way in my opinion, figuring out the likes of Lukaku early door, he just wasn't ruthless enough with the likes of Pogba & Lingard still there.

However, whether it was him or the club signing them, to then go out and get the likes of Varane & Ronaldo totally undermined the good work he had during ne to start with.

Edu / Arteta have at least now got a plan and are sticking to it with the profile of player they are signing. If it has to be younger gullable players or players the manager has worked with before then so be it, because we've already shown it doesn't work with egos filling the dressing room.
Varane will be their new Pogba. Will be made a scapegoat because he's associated with absolute dross. I don't think signing him undermined what Ole was trying to do. More like trying to cover the original massive mistake that stands alongside him. Ronaldo is another story but you should still be able to accomodate him while rebuilding a capable midfield and defense. Their issues are glaring and they didnt even try to fix them. I really thought last season would be a wake-up call and that they would emulate what Arsenal did but even quicker considering their ressources.
Things can quickly change in football but it feels like they just threw a whole year of Ten Hag (he's not completely absolved of responsabilty here either) down the drain.

If or when Arteta hit that ceiling, i don't think Edu/Kroenke will be too sentimental about sacking him provided someone else is attainable (not Potter).
 

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Varane will be their new Pogba. Will be made a scapegoat because he's associated with absolute dross. I don't think signing him undermined what Ole was trying to do. More like trying to cover the original massive mistake that stands alongside him. Ronaldo is another story but you should still be able to accomodate him while rebuilding a capable midfield and defense. Their issues are glaring and they didnt even try to fix them. I really thought last season would be a wake-up call and that they would emulate what Arsenal did but even quicker considering their ressources.
Things can quickly change in football but it feels like they just threw a whole year of Ten Hag (he's not completely absolved of responsabilty here either) down the drain.

If or when Arteta hit that ceiling, i don't think Edu/Kroenke will be too sentimental about sacking him provided someone else is attainable (not Potter).
Was Varane not already starting to pick up a series of niggling injuries though? If you make a statement signing like that, with the wages he's on, you want him to come in and be a leader in the defence, to be the rock the defence is built on, and it's hard to do that if your struggling to stay fit and get proper injury free runs in the side. I just don't think that will get better the older he gets.
 

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If or when Arteta hit that ceiling, i don't think Edu/Kroenke will be too sentimental about sacking him provided someone else is attainable (not Potter).
Why not Potter if that scenario played out?
 

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Was Varane not already starting to pick up a series of niggling injuries though? If you make a statement signing like that, with the wages he's on, you want him to come in and be a leader in the defence, to be the rock the defence is built on, and it's hard to do that if your struggling to stay fit and get proper injury free runs in the side. I just don't think that will get better the older he gets.
Injuries do play a part but he only had one "big" injury that kept him out from the busy November/December period and issues at the end of the season when it was already pretty much over. The rest are niggles not too dissimilar than what he had in Madrid.
Why not Potter if that scenario played out?
I don't know, i'm still not sold on him. I know he's getting Brighton higher than what they could usually dream of with their budget but i don't see it. I'd like to see him struggle a bit and given another squad/club like a Leicester/Villa/West Ham before he gets a top 6 club. I also don't like his haircut, massive downgrade from Arteta.