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Frenkie to United?


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I’m surprised it’s taken this long for him to be linked to Bayern after his mate De Ligt moved there 2 weeks ago.
 

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Bayern are not spending €80m+ on him, or anyone else for that matter, in this window. His options are limited. 3 PL clubs (us, City, and Chelsea), and PSG.
 

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It's just insane in here at the moment. Not much happening until good ol 'Arry caused a stir this morning.
Yeah, this thread has to go down in history, it's had it all, from the early optimism, to Stan Remixes to negative bombshell after negative bombshell, Palancas, 'things are happening', all the while certain elite muppets (yourself included) keeping the faith.
 

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I actually prefer Manchester to London. Great gateway to so many beautiful places that are close like the place west between Manchester and Sheffield (i forget the name) and the lake district etc.

Also the city is quite fun and has good neighbourhoods.
Dark Peak in the northern part of the peak district youre thinking of.
 

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They can’t “legally” but it’s easy to do via loopholes. Increased transfer fee, increased sign on fee.

I just think Utd have been insistent they don’t want to pay what Barca owe.
And why should we?
 

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Have anyone changed their vote yet?
Or… how many have changed? I guess is the better question.
 

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I wouldn't blame Ten Hag at all. The club have brought him in and given him more say over the signings than he's ever had before, despite this being the biggest club he's ever worked for, and have seemingly only identified current or former Ajax players or players he knows from the Eredivise because the club have acknowledged that their scouting isn't good enough (sacking the 2 most senior scouts weeks before the window opens). Of course he's going to prioritise De Jong as someone he knows and thinks has quality rather than just naming random players he doesn't know as well or relying on flawed scouting information.
The board did their job by getting a deal with Barceloan - I mean Barcelona. If the guys who know the player can't persuade him to join us - and we still spend the entire summer chasing him - of course that is on ETH
 

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The fact that United relies this heavily on his manager in stead of scouting/transfer embedded elsewhere in the organization - so that the manager can focus on what happens on the pitch - for its transfer targets is more embarrassing than anything else..
Nah - if a new manager comes in and says - I want this player, and I can persuade him to come....why is that embarrassing for anyone else than the manager ? I think out scouting department knows everything about FDJ.
 

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The board did their job by getting a deal with Barceloan - I mean Barcelona. If the guys who know the player can't persuade him to join us - and we still spend the entire summer chasing him - of course that is on ETH
They're also responsible for getting a deal with the player. Of course a manager can speak to the player and encourage them but he's not negotiating the terms of the deal. I get that it's a particularly tough deal but Ten Hag isn't responsible for that element.

Plus outside of De Jong who was he supposed to target as a midfield option? "Erik, we think our scouting is complete faeces and so have sacked the heads of scouting weeks before the transfer window opens but how do you feel about these players that they suggested before being let go?"
 

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Nah - if a new manager comes in and says - I want this player, and I can persuade him to come....why is that embarrassing for anyone else than the manager ? I think out scouting department knows everything about FDJ.
I agree with you.

We spent the season going for Brobbey - a player clearly wanted by Ten Hag over everyone else. We have been rejected by him and therefore have no striker bought this year.

We are only going for who Ten Hag wants, which is clearly a small bracket of players.
 

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They are just making up stories whilst there is no update.
Frenkie is waiting to get paid, once he gets paid, we'll get news, the rest is clickbait to make money
 

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In the clip posted a while back in this thread, didn't his missus specifically mention Germany as a country she wouldn't move to when asked if she was happy to follow Frenkie.

Poor Frenkie, he was already bracing the earful he would get by moving to Manchester. I rather not think of what she will do to him if he goes to Bayern :lol:
 

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Have anyone changed their vote yet?
Or… how many have changed? I guess is the better question.
Getting close to it especially with Redknapp's quote, Luckhurst's frustrated sounded tweet and what Mitten & Neville said
 

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I agree with you.

We spent the season going for Brobbey - a player clearly wanted by Ten Hag over everyone else. We have been rejected by him and therefore have no striker bought this year.

We are only going for who Ten Hag wants, which is clearly a small bracket of players.

I must have missed the Brobbey bit.......


Is this classic CAF adding 1+1 and getting 7?
 

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I agree with you.

We spent the season going for Brobbey - a player clearly wanted by Ten Hag over everyone else. We have been rejected by him and therefore have no striker bought this year.

We are only going for who Ten Hag wants, which is clearly a small bracket of players.
What? You think.....Brobbey was the big striker plan? ......really?
 

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I think it has come to a point where, if the hold up really is the remaining wages and FDJ has actually given ETH assurances that he would come to United, then United need to up their bid. both clubs tried to play hardball. United need to get back in the CL. If FDJ is the best way to do that, then up the bid. i agree that United would be damned if they do and damned if they don't, but you have to find a balance between overpaying for something that you desperately want and need vs not being taken for granted.

FDJ would massively improve us, so i think the benefit would be greater to overpay and get than stand firm and not get him. if we get him and get CL then no one will care that we over payed and help bail Barca out.

it is more important for us to improve than care what the media writes about us paying over value.
 

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I think it has come to a point where, if the hold up really is the remaining wages and FDJ has actually given ETH assurances that he would come to United, then United need to up their bid. both clubs tried to play hardball. United need to get back in the CL. If FDJ is the best way to do that, then up the bid. i agree that United would be damned if they do and damned if they don't, but you have to find a balance between overpaying for something that you desperately want and need vs not being taken for granted.

FDJ would massively improve us, so i think the benefit would be greater to overpay and get than stand firm and not get him. if we get him and get CL then no one will care that we over payed and help bail Barca out.

it is more important for us to improve than care what the media writes about us paying over value.
We don't seem to be entertaining that idea
 

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I think it has come to a point where, if the hold up really is the remaining wages and FDJ has actually given ETH assurances that he would come to United, then United need to up their bid. both clubs tried to play hardball. United need to get back in the CL. If FDJ is the best way to do that, then up the bid. i agree that United would be damned if they do and damned if they don't, but you have to find a balance between overpaying for something that you desperately want and need vs not being taken for granted.

FDJ would massively improve us, so i think the benefit would be greater to overpay and get than stand firm and not get him. if we get him and get CL then no one will care that we over payed and help bail Barca out.

it is more important for us to improve than care what the media writes about us paying over value.
Agreed. Good post.
 

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I think it has come to a point where, if the hold up really is the remaining wages and FDJ has actually given ETH assurances that he would come to United, then United need to up their bid. both clubs tried to play hardball. United need to get back in the CL. If FDJ is the best way to do that, then up the bid. i agree that United would be damned if they do and damned if they don't, but you have to find a balance between overpaying for something that you desperately want and need vs not being taken for granted.

FDJ would massively improve us, so i think the benefit would be greater to overpay and get than stand firm and not get him. if we get him and get CL then no one will care that we over payed and help bail Barca out.

it is more important for us to improve than care what the media writes about us paying over value.
Maybe it's a principle for Frenkie. He wants the money from Barca which in his eyes they owe him for deferring salary to help out, Barca.
 

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-So, Frenkie, IF Barcelona choose not to keep you and IF Chelsea choose not to sign you and IF Bayern Munich choose not to sign you and if someone like Man City or Liverpool don’t make a late move for you, are you saying you will consider coming to play for me at Manchester United?
-……………..Maybe.
-Good enough for me! A man’s word is his bond. Stronger than oak.
 

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Now, it's not like anyone here is fully informed so I'll play a bit of hypotheticals.

Assuming...
- FDJ has at the very least a slight interest in moving to United (regardless of whether or not he might also have other interests).
- Barcelona are willing to sell, and have indeed accepted an offer.
- Barcelona have to register their players by 13th August
- Barcelona can not register their players by 13th August without selling FDJ

...doesn't it make complete sense for us to wait until 13th August before we actively pursue other targets or bump our offer?

I might have the 13th day a few days off, I'm going by memory here.
 

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I think it has come to a point where, if the hold up really is the remaining wages and FDJ has actually given ETH assurances that he would come to United, then United need to up their bid. both clubs tried to play hardball. United need to get back in the CL. If FDJ is the best way to do that, then up the bid. i agree that United would be damned if they do and damned if they don't, but you have to find a balance between overpaying for something that you desperately want and need vs not being taken for granted.

FDJ would massively improve us, so i think the benefit would be greater to overpay and get than stand firm and not get him. if we get him and get CL then no one will care that we over payed and help bail Barca out.

it is more important for us to improve than care what the media writes about us paying over value.
I agree but we also have to make sure that we don't appear as "rich idiots" who overpay for everything like we did in the last 10 years. I'm maybe in minority but I agree with Arnold/Murtough on holding line and not buckling under pressure.
 

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I think it has come to a point where, if the hold up really is the remaining wages and FDJ has actually given ETH assurances that he would come to United, then United need to up their bid. both clubs tried to play hardball. United need to get back in the CL. If FDJ is the best way to do that, then up the bid. i agree that United would be damned if they do and damned if they don't, but you have to find a balance between overpaying for something that you desperately want and need vs not being taken for granted.

FDJ would massively improve us, so i think the benefit would be greater to overpay and get than stand firm and not get him. if we get him and get CL then no one will care that we over payed and help bail Barca out.

it is more important for us to improve than care what the media writes about us paying over value.
Agreed. Good post.
I agree but we also have to make sure that we don't appear as "rich idiots" who overpay for everything like we did in the last 10 years. I'm maybe in minority but I agree with Arnold/Murtough on holding line and not buckling under pressure.
Why on earth would we up our already accepted bid?
 

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Why on earth would we up our already accepted bid?

Because it is of greater value to us to get FDJ than not, regardless of whether we assist Barca with their situation or we get blasted in the media. People thought Klopp and Liverpool were fools for paying over odds for Van Dijk, but does anyone care about that now considering where Pool are and what they have accomplished they bought him? absolutely not.

while not everyone agrees we should up our bid, everyone agrees we need serious help in midfield. If we have to over pay to, which i am loathe to do, especially to Barca, our need to improve is greater than our need to save face.
 
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