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Yeah it’s absolutely ridiculous suggestion. There should as much separation between politics and actual people.

The whole idea that Russians should be punished is exactly what makes Russia more united. Carnegie University in Moscow is already pretty much incensed with what the collective west is doing.

If you cut Russians from Europe, Russians will take it by force.

This is a very bizarre situation where non entities can blocked transportation routes.
Although thank you for illustrating my point that this move will only increase the support for Putin in those who aren't already openly against him as they'll see this as yet another act of rusophobic aggression from the West.
 

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Although thank you for illustrating my point that this move will only increase the support for Putin in those who aren't already openly against him as they'll see this as yet another act of rusophobic aggression from the West.
I respect this hill my friend.
 

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Although thank you for illustrating my point that this move will only increase the support for Putin in those who aren't already openly against him as they'll see this as yet another act of rusophobic aggression from the West.
I wonder why there is Russophobia in the west, mostly in Eastern Europe.
 

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So like there…
I guess it’s not because of centuries of genocides against other people and cultures that is continuing to this day. Must be just because of wesrtern propaganda.
 

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I guess it’s not because of centuries of genocides against other people and cultures that is continuing to this day. Must be just because of wesrtern propaganda.
Absolutely horrendous mate. You think I want any of that.
 

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Guys. Look through my posts..
I was always sympathetic to Donbas residents, however, I was appalled at the start of ‘war’

Im still anti war but the way Russians have been treated - racially abused - I’ll not stand for it.
The real victims of this war - the Russians.

It's very impressive how blinded somebody can be. You're a case study on the influence of conspiracy theories and propaganda
 

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Really? Then prove it right now under the UN charger.
I’m not convinced you understand what the UN charter is used for or what its relevance is in this context, but Russia is in clear violation of these points:

Article 2(1)–(5)

3. All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.​
4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.​

You’re posting about a hypothetical situation where Russia is provoked into a land grab and war in Europe due to certain European actions, without recognizing/admitting that these potential actions are being mooted in response to a land grab and war that Russia has already launched.
 

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The real victims of this war - the Russians.

It's very impressive how blinded somebody can be. You're a case study on the influence of conspiracy theories and propag
I’m not convinced you understand what the UN charter is used for or what its relevance is in this context, but Russia is in clear violation of these points:

Article 2(1)–(5)

3. All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.​
4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.​

You’re posting about a hypothetical situation where Russia is provoked into a land grab and war in Europe due to certain European actions, without recognizing/admitting that these potential actions are being mooted in response to a land grab and war that Russia has already launched.
That absolutely applies to Ukraine unless you didn’t get the memo.
What you posted to me is literally Ukrainian guys.
 

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That absolutely applies to Ukraine unless you didn’t get the memo.
What you posted to me is literally Ukrainian guys.
I'm not denying that, I'm just pointing out that your priorities are miles off. The country you're so proud of is committing serious war crimes left right and center and you werre nowhere to be seen. Now you're here again sobbing how unfairly your countrymen are being treated over a more or less irrelevant injustice in comparison.
 

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Look the fact that I have direct line to Wagner group top brass - you want to ban for it - fine.
you guys sit in ech chamber and get your updates from James Vazquez haha seriously. You guys believe whatever. Or actual person whom knows Utkin on a personal level.
 

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Look the fact that I have direct line to Wagner group top brass - you want to ban for it - fine.
you guys sit in ech chamber and get your updates from James Vazquez haha seriously. You guys believe whatever. Or actual person whom knows Utkin on a personal level.
Yeah, we're the ones who believe everything. If you only knew how dumb you appear in the eyes of people who actually bother to check their sources. Dunning and Kruger would find you incredibly fascinating
 

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Look the fact that I have direct line to Wagner group top brass - you want to ban for it - fine.
you guys sit in ech chamber and get your updates from James Vazquez haha seriously. You guys believe whatever. Or actual person whom knows Utkin on a personal level.
You should be very proud.
 

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My dad was a colonel in GRU and was with on first name basis with Utkin. I have personally asked my dad in regards to Utkin.

And people say look at Utkins tattoos.. where did he get them? He grew up in Ukraine.

in fact.Unless you’ve absolutely something to add then just refrain form posting in this thread.
 

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I wonder why there is Russophobia in the west, mostly in Eastern Europe.
Again, I'm not talking about the actual Russophobia (and why it would be justified or not) but about Russian propaganda and how it shapes the perception of the West and "justifies" the war. If those sanctions are meant to convince those undecided Russians that what Putin and their country doing is wrong by removing the privileges that they've enjoyed before, like having vacations in Europe (as European politics are saying) — you can see that it's not working as our friend's reaction is very typical.
 

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You actually believe that? You think a force of 30 btg could capture a city of Kiev.

Please explain that to me?

I will say this,Russia sent 18’s green men there
Explain what? Why or how Russia botched the invasion?
 

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My dad was a colonel in GRU and was with on first name basis with Utkin. I have personally asked my dad in regards to Utkin.

And people say look at Utkins tattoos.. where did he get them? He grew up in Ukraine.

in fact.Unless you’ve absolutely something to add then just refrain form posting in this thread.
Where do you or your dad think this war is headed? What's the outcome?
 

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Guys. Look through my posts..
I was always sympathetic to Donbas residents, however, I was appalled at the start of ‘war’

Im still anti war but the way Russians have been treated - racially abused - I’ll not stand for it.
Didn't you get banned from this thread? I did have a look through your posts here, and you keep repeating that you're anti-war, but you've also denied war crimes, among other things.

Where is the overwhelming evidence mate?
Despite Bucha happening… and I honestly don’t know what happened… you can’t say there is an overwhelming evidence.
It’s just simply not true. A lot of innocent people got executed and I feel absolutely horrible about it. From what I know, from my dad, foreign mercs get executed — none of the Ukrainians get the same treatment. That what I’ve been told and that seems to be the word on the ground. If you disagree, I’d love a source:

Whom was in Mariupol mate? Ukrainians were not going to leave and Russians were going to storm it. Understand how we went into Grozny in 96 and got ambushed and suffered (what now seems relatively low casualties) — and then the difference in the second Chechen war… I absolutely adore your football knowledge but bear in mind that Russians have adjusted not only from conflict to conflict Chechenya 96 - Georgia 08.

Also, the fact that you say; Russians are indiscriminately bombing place; it’s just not true.
Not a lawyer but can you prove it? According to the charter of UN. Russia is acting in collective pre-emotive self defence.
That’s a bare faced lie. Like Russia wanted incursion into Ukraine?! Okay give it to me how.
Look guys I completely support self-determination from each country but in a real world stuff doesn’t work like that. I just wish America and Russia signed some accord and let Ukraine into EU but not in NATO. Let them be like Finland. There was room for diplomacy here but no one wanted it.
 

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I’m not convinced you understand what the UN charter is used for or what its relevance is in this context, but Russia is in clear violation of these points:

Article 2(1)–(5)

3. All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.​
4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.​

You’re posting about a hypothetical situation where Russia is provoked into a land grab and war in Europe due to certain European actions, without recognizing/admitting that these potential actions are being mooted in response to a land grab and war that Russia has already launched.
Those guys are LNR,DNR which is under UN charter. Don’t be a smug cnut about It cause If you did you did you talking to Zakharova.
 

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I hope that each and every person who is directly contributing to Russia's crimes in Ukraine dies the most painful death possible. May the supporters of the war go through what Ukranians have been going through.
 

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As eloquent as you are you did not answer the question. I’ll answer it for you. Restrictions on UN travel charter is violation on human right. To be more precise - to have a right to a private life - which entails freedom of movement. The fact that anyone is considering this - this is enough to start a war. It’s absolutely wrong. Reprehensible.

Just an afterthought; all those Russians, in Russia or outside?
Where does the UN charter mention that citizens of any country have the right to travel to all other countries of their choosing?

Also, Russia have already started a war.

I don't think this would be a good idea at all but I find the things you find reprehensible and get you worked up in this conflict quite funny.
 

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Well you know what I mean. However why shouldn’t I be proud of something like this? Objectively it’s the largest war since ww2
That's nothing to be proud of. But I guess if one has nothing else in life, you can't be picky
 

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Didn't you get banned from this thread? I did have a look through your posts here, and you keep repeating that you're anti-war, but you've also denied war crimes, among other things.
Hey you. Show me one proof of evidence? I have absolutely never ever denegrated.
You’re a disgrace.