How can a serious football watcher put Fred at 59m pounds as value for money but Blind at 15m as failed?
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A lot of the reds are relatively harsh. Throwing in decent players in the same category as absolute flops. Blind is a shocker to put red. Martial should be amber, he’s had good seasons, does not deserve to be anywhere near Sanchez for example. Pogba should be a higher category than Maguire.
Maguire and Shaw have no place in Amber and Fernandes is closer to Red than Green given the fee and the new contract.
There's quite a few that should be Amber and not red e.g. Lindelof and Blind.
There's quite a few that should be Amber and not red e.g. Lindelof and Blind.
Because it's too early to judge them. Been a part of a diabolical dressing room since they joined.
Yeah players that cost 70m should have three seasons or more before they can be judged.
Laughable
What's laughable is you writing him off after having one season while we watched him at Dortmund be one of the most exciting attacking players in Europe.
If Maguire and Shaw were non-Brits they'd be not just in red, but towards the lower, lower end of red.
I don’t even think we need an Amber. Just the 2 in green and the rest in red.
I mean who cares if a couple should be in Amber and not Red or the other way round.
Bottom line is the transfers have been absolutely terrible.
Bottom line is the transfers have been absolutely terrible.
Ander Herrera was a success.
James and Blind filled the roles they were brought in for
James and Blind filled the roles they were brought in for
Would have really liked to hear his arguments on why Maguire is in the amber category
Neville is a sick individual, how can he put Blind in red? He was good value for money! very versatile and could play in multiple positions, was also very consistent and was one of our best players in all the finals he played in where we actually won trophies.
1.2 billion in transfers there
I disagree with a few here and there but I think he explains his reasons well enough. Zlatan would have easily reached 30 goals in that first season but for the injury and Bruno pretty much dragged the team to 3rd place in his first season. He's probably right to say they're the only two successes in terms of impact at least.Bit of a shite list from Neville, if we're being honest. How in the hell are Maguire, Fred and Cavani amber while players like Mata, Pogba, and Blind (who actually contributed to us winning trophies) are red? Even Fellaini and Mkhitaryan (best player in the Europa League when we won it) contributed more than those three.
Blind and Herrera are easy greens as loads of people have already pointed out - important players in our last trophy-winning squads, and consistently outperformed other more expensive players while they were here. Herrera was Player of the Season in 2016/17 and was consistently excellent in big games throughout his time here - not in the intangible "runs around a lot" way either, he produced a whole bunch of absolutely critical assists (side note: should have gotten at least one when PSG made it to the CL final too). Pretty sure it was his injury that led to the first implosion in Ole's interim spell too - massively underrated player who still gets into this team.
Martial loses points for a shambolic last couple of seasons but, again, has at least contributed 2 great seasons (also decent from 2017-19) and started each of our last 3 successful cup finals. Amber for me.
James was rubbish but contributed enough for what he was - a cheap punt on a Championship player. And we moved him on for a profit, so another Amber.
Matic is an easy red - 40 million pounds for a 29-year-old who was already on the decline and produced a combined 12 months of good form for us, winning nothing.
Varane is a red if we're docking points for never being fit (and playing to the gallery, which is probably more relevant for GNev) but we were tangibly better with him on the pitch last season. Amber for now, and every chance he'll prove more than worth it over the next couple of years.
Blind and Herrera are easy greens as loads of people have already pointed out - important players in our last trophy-winning squads, and consistently outperformed other more expensive players while they were here. Herrera was Player of the Season in 2016/17 and was consistently excellent in big games throughout his time here - not in the intangible "runs around a lot" way either, he produced a whole bunch of absolutely critical assists (side note: should have gotten at least one when PSG made it to the CL final too). Pretty sure it was his injury that led to the first implosion in Ole's interim spell too - massively underrated player who still gets into this team.
Martial loses points for a shambolic last couple of seasons but, again, has at least contributed 2 great seasons (also decent from 2017-19) and started each of our last 3 successful cup finals. Amber for me.
James was rubbish but contributed enough for what he was - a cheap punt on a Championship player. And we moved him on for a profit, so another Amber.
Matic is an easy red - 40 million pounds for a 29-year-old who was already on the decline and produced a combined 12 months of good form for us, winning nothing.
Varane is a red if we're docking points for never being fit (and playing to the gallery, which is probably more relevant for GNev) but we were tangibly better with him on the pitch last season. Amber for now, and every chance he'll prove more than worth it over the next couple of years.
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Neville is such a moron.
Cavani's first season elevates him to amber.
Shift bruno to amber and maguire and shaw to red and im content.
Shift bruno to amber and maguire and shaw to red and im content.
Maguire yellow?! Delusional.
Daley Blind: 90 games - 80 goals against. (0,89 GPG)
Harry Maguire: 104 games - 126 goals against. (1,21 GPG)
One is amber, heh. The other is red, heh.
Harry Maguire: 104 games - 126 goals against. (1,21 GPG)
One is amber, heh. The other is red, heh.
Blind and Fellaini still underrated.
Maguire still overrated.
Maguire still overrated.
We watched him being good around Haaland. He hasnt a good game for either United or England. This is a level up from Bundesliga , so far he has been absolute terrible and therefore correct in 'red'.
We dont judge a transfer on future 'might be good '
Fellaini, Mata, Blind and Martial should definitely be amber.
Bruno is borderline green and Maguire and Shaw borderline amber but keep their current form up this season and they should move down.
Terrible recruitment regardless.
Bruno is borderline green and Maguire and Shaw borderline amber but keep their current form up this season and they should move down.
Terrible recruitment regardless.
Woeful isn’t it when you see it laid bare like that.
You do you.
I know you all love to get your knickers in a knot about transfer fees but they’re completely irrelevant. The question here is whether or not these signings have made an overall positive contribution in their time here. That’s all that matters. If they have, green. If they’ve been fairly up and down, then amber. If they’ve consistently underwhelmed, red. It’s a simple concept. Stop over-complicating it.
I didn’t watch the discussion so I could’ve missed the clarification but surely when discussing a signing’s success, price is always relevant? For example, people are always going to judge Maguire who’s been shocking much more harshly than someone like Blind who was decent/average simply due to the difference in price. Same reason why Pogba was deemed such a disappointment in comparison to someone like Herrera.
This is so far off its crazy. I agree practically all players have not been good signings but there is no world where Pogba is in the red list and those others in the Amber.
It fecking laughable.
Maguire plays for England. So he's pushed up 1. We're lucky he didn't have him green tbh.
There are a gaggle of players in red who should not be there, many of them already mentioned in this thread. I think plenty of players performed okayish… but it’s true, there are virtually no unmitigated successes which is pretty depressing considering the money invested.
Obviously it could change but he’s been a titanic flop so far
Shaw and Maguire more red than the Crimson king.
I would put Herrera in Green too. Compared to the others in amber, he just didnt have 1/2 good seasons only. He was constatly ok to good.
Blind and James in amber for me.
I would put Herrera in Green too. Compared to the others in amber, he just didnt have 1/2 good seasons only. He was constatly ok to good.
Blind and James in amber for me.
Out of Bruno, Martial and Shaw, for me, Martial has been the most disappointing and has not justified his transfer.
Both Bruno and Shaw have been good. But are showing extreme lack of confidence resulting in very poor form.
But I agree with you. Quality remains while poor form should be temporary.
It takes some doing to have nearly a decade of utterly shit transfers, but yet, here we are...
Maguire should have his own category, that's how bad he has been.
A few quibbles here or there, but I think we can all agree that it's a desperately poor hit rate.
This is the real reason we now find ourselves in this current mess - we're trailing a decade of appallingly bad recruitment. The really depressing thing is that we enjoyed a mammoth financial advantage relative to our rivals during much of this period - we could have exploited the situation to our favour and built a world-beating team, doing things in the market "that other clubs could only dream of" (as someone once famously said). Instead, we squandered it on rubbish. United's revenues have stagnated while our rivals have enriched themselves and the huge financial advantage we once enjoyed has now evaporated. It's a very long way back from here.
This is the real reason we now find ourselves in this current mess - we're trailing a decade of appallingly bad recruitment. The really depressing thing is that we enjoyed a mammoth financial advantage relative to our rivals during much of this period - we could have exploited the situation to our favour and built a world-beating team, doing things in the market "that other clubs could only dream of" (as someone once famously said). Instead, we squandered it on rubbish. United's revenues have stagnated while our rivals have enriched themselves and the huge financial advantage we once enjoyed has now evaporated. It's a very long way back from here.
Also, if ever there was a tragedy of a transfer and one for the red category, it's most certainly Harry fecking Maguire.
Maybe he could be all out on his own, in a very dark red category.
Maybe he could be all out on his own, in a very dark red category.
Fellaini should be amber, he wasn't great, but worked hard and was extremely useful in certain situations and got us out of trouble a number of times. Blind in the red section, that is insulting. Maguire should be there, the two previous players were not liabilities.
We signed Martial in 2015 on a 5 year contract. If he, like Herrera, ran his contract down and walked at the end of the 2019/20 season - would he have been a good transfer?
Shaw is definitely not red - weird people are saying this. He has definitely been one of the better signings. And he has had more than one good season - the year of the euros he was brilliant, but he also got Manutd player of the season in another, so how could it only be two, anyway. He is slipping down, though.
Ibrahimovic (Green)
Fernandes (Green) - slipping, though
Mkitaryan - I would put amber as he was quite important to the Europe League win
Cavani (Red) - Went on holiday last season
Maguire (Red) - Way too expensive
Blind is red - this is a player who seems to be rated higher and higher as we move further away from his time here. He was pretty bad - I remember him getting shredded in match after match. Remember that period where we conceding from every counter attack under Van Gaal - yes, Blind was a major reason for that.
Ibrahimovic (Green)
Fernandes (Green) - slipping, though
Mkitaryan - I would put amber as he was quite important to the Europe League win
Cavani (Red) - Went on holiday last season
Maguire (Red) - Way too expensive
Blind is red - this is a player who seems to be rated higher and higher as we move further away from his time here. He was pretty bad - I remember him getting shredded in match after match. Remember that period where we conceding from every counter attack under Van Gaal - yes, Blind was a major reason for that.
It is just shocking. That we have not fixed that by now gives me no confidence for the future
Fellaini is definitely amber, I'm pretty sure he scored in every semifinal when we won our last 3 trophies.