Why? Not only has Fred consistently out-performed McTominay, but he works a hell of a lot harder and puts in more effort as well. Surely that's the absolute basics of keeping somebody because 'they bleed United through and through'. Unless literally the only qualifying thing for that category is that they came through the youth ranks.
Honest question: What are the top 3 clubs you think would buy McTominay if he wanted to move today?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
I wonder how much his lack of progress and arguable regression is a result of us being a footballing basket case as much as a cause of it.
On last seasons showing he would make very few PL midfield but he did look like he had something early on.
On last seasons showing he would make very few PL midfield but he did look like he had something early on.
Playing devil's advocate, if for no other reason than my memory is so poor for this stuff I struggle to remember the early days of promise, but is the "something" he showed early on the sort of something that suits an ETH team? I'm not so sure. He could be one of the big success stories of ETH's reign if he can somehow marry those attributes with a more honed passing game and awareness of positioning. I tend to think that it's probably too far to there from where he is.
Not including last year when Rashford was horrible, Rashford and Sterling have had very similar stats despite Sterling playing on a far better team.
--------------------------Goals-----------------Assists-------------------Games------------------Goal Contribution per game
Rashford------------55------------------------30----------------------------179----------------------------- .47
Sterling---------------97-----------------------51----------------------------297------------------------------ .50
Raheem Sterling vs Marcus Rashford: Decoding the stats | NewsBytes (newsbytesapp.com)
But go on....tell me again how Rashford hasn't reached the same heights as Sterling. And my god, if you are going to sell every player who doesn't score and assist as much as Mane and Salah then who are we going to have left in our team????
I don't want to sell either. I think both have a place in the team. I'm just saying if I had to, I'd keep the guy who bleeds United through and through as they are pretty even talents in my books so that's the deciding factor. For me, the biggest problem with both of them is that neither is a DM yet they have both been asked to play there by multiple managers. Mind you, last season when Ralf played Fred in the #8 he was fantastic. If we see more of that this year then I will definitely be changing my mind on just how good Fred really is...
This is my opinion on him. His flaws could easily be hidden/ made less of a flaw with better coaching/better system. He has a lot of good qualities that make him worthy of being a top 6 club squad player. Just needs refinement.
Liverpool
Spurs
Roma
Spurs
Roma
"bleeding red" means constantly hiding behind the ball or what? Because that's what he does
100%
This is exactly my train of thought. Because of the lack of quality coaching and direction, none of the players have made any sort of progression.
It seems to me that certain people get a perverse satisfaction from criticising our players.
I've watched Ajax enough to know that the midfielder are constantly on the go and they are focused on interchanging, as opposed to Ole and his obsession with static midfield play. There's mo doubt thar Scott McTominay is best when he's allowed license to get forward. He's one of the best midfielders in the EPL at stretching his legs and driving forward.
As far as I'm concerned, every player in the squad deserves one full season under Ten Hag before they be judged.
Rashford hasn't reached the same heights as Sterling
Don't understand McTominay criticism, just like I didn't understand Fletcher/O'Shea criticism. He'd easily walk into Arsenal, Spurs or Liverpool. We're just a crappy team and he's one of the scapegoats.
I always say he won the lottery at United. Imagine him looking back and going I was in the central midfield of United like players of Keane and Robson and Djemba and Bastian. 
Scunthorpe, Port Vale and Swindon
Loads of team would take a player if they had to pay a minimal fee or were on low wages.
The question should be how many teams would spend £25m and over to sign Mctominay on a £125k contract. This is about the minimum going rate for a good midfielder in the PL. At this price I feel many teams would choose other options because there is nothing in Mctominay's game that gives the impression he could be a top player in a team where he's needed to be more than an enforcer.
The question should be how many teams would spend £25m and over to sign Mctominay on a £125k contract. This is about the minimum going rate for a good midfielder in the PL. At this price I feel many teams would choose other options because there is nothing in Mctominay's game that gives the impression he could be a top player in a team where he's needed to be more than an enforcer.
I'd expect McTominay to be on our list along with players like Shkiri at Koln and Loftus-Cheek as a potential rotation player at West Ham if the price is right.
We definitely need at least one additional player of that physical profile to join Rice and Soucek. Kral was meant to do it last year but Moyes wrote him off double quick so Rice and Soucek played constantly.
We definitely need at least one additional player of that physical profile to join Rice and Soucek. Kral was meant to do it last year but Moyes wrote him off double quick so Rice and Soucek played constantly.
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Watford
Sheffield United
But he continues to make Manchester United match day squads. Sell asap.
Watford
Sheffield United
But he continues to make Manchester United match day squads. Sell asap.
Pretty sure Eddie Howe would be all over it for Newcastle.
Ah no, I don't mean he's Busquets, just that the timing of his breakthrough may not have helped him. He might be a better player if he spent two or three years in a fully functioning team, before he was asked to anchor a dysfunctional one.
What's the matter? You don't like when stats prove that you're talking out of your arse?
He'd struggle to start for Palace or Everton. Wouldn't get near the pitch for West Ham.
Moyes would take him if he didn't have Rice.
If he’s performing badly in a “crappy” team, how on Earth would he walk into teams that just finished 11, 13 and 34 points above?
He's one player worth keeping in the squad. I don't see the point in running him out of the club. He's not that bad.
People throwing around the term "mid table" as if it's a level beneath where we are. It's not.
We aspire to be better than we truly deserve given the way the club is run and the effort the majority of our players have put in.
People throwing around the term "mid table" as if it's a level beneath where we are. It's not.
We aspire to be better than we truly deserve given the way the club is run and the effort the majority of our players have put in.
They wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.We're a crappy team and he's been the crappest part of it.
Some really hilarious replies.
We're a crappy team and he's been the crappest part of it.
Top clubs weren't looking at Everton and saying for example we would take Michael Keane, their target was the best player in the team and not anyone else.
On his day he's been really good. Now a new coach, players and motivation. Let's give him a chance to come good. McT consistently playing at his best would be a great option to have
Hearts
Hibs
ST Mirren
Hibs
ST Mirren
Burnley, Cardiff City, and Swansea
He had two really good days and both of those were against Leeds.
His best is miles from good enough.
I think I have found United's answer to Ty from Arsenal Fan TV
Watford, Middlesbrough.. and some other biggish championship club.
That's terrible if true. I know he's been crap in quite a few. I can't give you this or that game and I've been half asleep in many of them, but I'm sure he's been good in more than two games..
Again...do you not like it when the stats prove that you are talking out of your ass?
I know it's faux pas to bump your own thread but just wanted to now ask if anyone saw this season start coming for McT? Played every game, keeping Casemiro on the bench in two matches now. Whether it is Casemiro's fitness or something else, does it matter?
Newcastle, West Ham, Aston Villa,
Newcastle, Everton, maybe forest
nope. Thought the manager had more sense in terms of who can function in a possession based system. Casemeiro made almost as many passes in his sub appearance
He's not keeping Casemiro on the bench, Ten Hag has explained why he's not started yet. Literally just joined.
I believe there is a place in this squad for McTominay but he won't be preferred to Casemiro for long
I believe there is a place in this squad for McTominay but he won't be preferred to Casemiro for long
I think most Prem clubs not in the top 6 would want him.
He's good enough to be a squad player so anyone except City really. A midtable team is about the best he should be a regular starter for.