Hope not to be honest.. We should do with who we have now..
Eredivisie 2022/23
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
That sounds a lot like Ole.
Show some ambition!
My guess is Ruud will shit the bed at PSV and Feyenoord will creep up on Ajax to the no 2 spot. I dont think they can win it though. I havent been impressed with their forwards much and Bergwijn is another level compared to everyone in the league.
So you maybe right, that you can do nothing and still win the league with no challengers.
I would really want Ajax to keep close to our identity and leaving room in the squad/on the bench for upcoming talent.. We've already bought Bergwijn Lucca and Conceicao as forwards whilst only losing Haller and Antony..That sounds a lot like Ole.
Show some ambition!
My guess is Ruud will shit the bed at PSV and Feyenoord will creep up on Ajax to the no 2 spot. I dont think they can win it though. I havent been impressed with their forwards much and Bergwijn is another level compared to everyone in the league.
So you maybe right, that you can do nothing and still win the league with no challengers.
We have Conceicao, Kudus, Bergwijn, Tadic, Brobbey (and Lucca) as attacking options, not counting Berghuis (who I prefer in midfield), Ihatarren (Lots of uncertainty ofcourse) and talent like Hlynsson, Hansen, Rasmussen, Axel Dongen.. All together that should be plenty to not buy someone else..
Lucca and Coneicao are not the first choice and bought for the long term. You are right about our indentity but we also have ambitions and the level is higher then a few years ago. If Ajax want to end at least 2nd in the group stage you need a real RW with experience or somebody like Zyech who played al lot of games at RW for Ajax.
Options at this moment:
Kudus: not a real RW (midfielder)
Tadic: not a real RW
Conceicao: not ready and not at Cl level (at this moment)
Ihattaren: ........
Berghuis: he is much better at 10
Bergwijn: On his best at LW
They are all good for RW in Eredivisie but not in CL.
PS: What do you think about Grillitsch? Looks great to me and can replace Alvarez next year.
I see what you mean, but on the other hand it's simply the price of going to a higher level. If we want to retain this, it simply means there will be less chances for youth because they don't have the right level when they just get out of the academy. They need to raise their level before they get a chance and I'm fine with that.
Nevertheless we still have players like Rensch, Timber, Taylor and Brobbey in the team right now. That's more than fine and that's after we lost Gravenberch and Mazraoui. We can't play with 7 youth players, then we'll be back to early Europa League exits in no time. I don't want that. In the end the philosophy about the youth players should not be fixated on quantity, but on quality. I want Ajax to perform to the highest possible level. If youth players are not able to make that step, then they're not good enough.
So far, I think we're doing fine. All those players you've mentioned are simply not good enough (yet). Maybe Van Axel Dongen can be. Rasmussen had a great pre-season like 2 years ago. If he'd done well enough he'd have been a part of the first team a long time ago. Sontje Hansen is no Ajax 1 player, at this point in time, he's a player for NEC or RKC. I am not sure if he'll ever be good enough for the first team of Ajax. Same with Hlynsson. I've seen those players multiple times and they never impressed me.
The best talents were impressive in Jong Ajax. If you want to be good enough for Ajax' first team, you have to impress with Jong Ajax first. If those players are decent there, but are not able to take Jong Ajax to a higher level, then they are not ready for the first team. None of them are from what I've seen. Unuvar is the closest and maybe in his case you could say there's not enough room for him. Nevertheless I can also see the doubts with him. I think he's a difficult one. He has potential, but physically and in terms of speed there are some concerns.
In the end of the day we should not bring the level of the first team down in order to fit in youth players. That's the world upside down. They have to step up. It's completely fine if the amount of youth players that break through is half less then it was between 2000-2020. Our level has raised, that means it's harder to get through which is a completely normal process.
If there are less chances for players like Dani de Wit, Jurgen Ekkelenkamp, Carel Eiting and Siem de Jong because the level raised it's all good to me. Let alone players like Ozbiliz, Ebecilio, Mitchell Donald and a lot of other players that came through the academy. I don't mind at all if those type of players don't break through in the first team anymore because they don't get the chance. They simply weren't good that good and some of them really weren't good enough at all.
I just think we're in a lesser generation now. I also feel like after Jonk left things didn't improve at 'De Toekomst'. We're now seeing the results of it. The current generation of youth players is not 'that good'. There's no Matthijs de Ligt or Ryan Gravenberch. There's not even a Donny van de Beek or Kasper Dolberg. Yet we still give chances to players like Taylor and Rensch.
Hence I am not worried about the identity at all. I do think they might need to rethink the planning. Because if we can maintain this level for the first team, it could very well be that the gap between Jong Ajax and the first team is already becoming too big. It could very well be that only a few players can make that step directly and others might be able to do that only after a loan period. Nothing's wrong with that, it just means that maybe this has to be planned better.
Why cant you guys get Ziyech done exactly?
He's perfect and you'd literally be buying the title again, like you did with Haller last time around.
He's perfect and you'd literally be buying the title again, like you did with Haller last time around.
Its chaos in Amsterdam right now. They stopped the transfer of Ocampos. He was underway to Amsterdam. Sevilla offered him for a lower price (15m) right now, because they already have a replacement.
And now, Ajax will go for Zyech again
And Kudus refused to train....he tries to force a transfer to Everton.
Grazy!!!
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Enjoy your last day of muppeting. ETH is done hereIts chaos in Amsterdam right now. They stopped the transfer of Ocampos. He was underway to Amsterdam. Sevilla offered him fo a lower price (15m) right now, because the already have a replacement.
And now, Ajax will go for Zyech again
And Kudus refused to train....he tries to force a transfer to Everton.
Grazy!!!
Yeah, read that too, you've gone back to try Ziyech again it seems. Woukd be great for you guys to get Ziyech instead really.
In other news Kudus is refusing to train to force a move. Fecking nerve of him, he's always injured.
Edit: ah you mentiond that already.
Antony set a bad example. The board better fix this mess. I agree however that Kudus needs to get gametime.
Calling it now. If Gakpo stays the full season I think PSV are genuinely in with a chance.
How has Jørgen Strand Larsen performed? Decent output but has his overall game impressed?
So…. Is Xavi Simons playing as a false 9 or something? His output has been very good.
Ocampos looks really crap, not sure if he strengthens Ajax at all.
I think Ajax could have done better. Not so sure ocampos moves the needle
He’s picking up good positions and I think he’ll have a big role in improving PSVs ability to deal with low block defences.
They are playing cannon fodder today so of course a pinch of salt needs applying here but I think as a team they have developed a bit from last season. Not sure if others would disagree.
Yeah, gladly it looks like it will be a loan.
Fantastic (as LVG would say).
Safe to say Gakpo was non commitall.
He's better than Berghuis or Conceicao. The question is whether he'll suit into the Ajax style. I am not conviced of that. However if he does adapt he will be a good addtion. No doubt that he's a good player.
Ajax have made a fool out of themselves today. The supervisory board totally stepped out of line by blocking all transfers. What happened the past few days really is a disgrace for the club. At least it all worked out for Ocampos. He was eager to join the club and I'm happy for him that in the end it still worked out. Good that he (and Sevilla) did not become a victim of this stupid behaviour for Ajax' supervisory board.
Apparently Chelsea bid €50m for Alvarez as well. Still expect him to go as well. Total rebuild for Ajax.
Paul Scholes was right it seems… not a proper club.
Laughably poor management in these last few days.
Antony gave a bad example to refuse to train and Ajax a bad example to let him go.
Now Alvarez and Kudus refuse to train. Alvarez want to go to Chelsea and Kudus to Everton. I hope Ajax would say no. If not, how many players will refuse to train next transfer window?
Its a big mass at Ajax right now. RVC blocked incoming transfers like Vlachimodos, don't know why? Is Grillitsch coming or not?
And what's Schreuder doing about it? Players walk away with Erik Ten Hag, i can't see they do with Schreuder?
I hoped this will be a good year, but i'm afread it will not.
Now Alvarez and Kudus refuse to train. Alvarez want to go to Chelsea and Kudus to Everton. I hope Ajax would say no. If not, how many players will refuse to train next transfer window?
Its a big mass at Ajax right now. RVC blocked incoming transfers like Vlachimodos, don't know why? Is Grillitsch coming or not?
And what's Schreuder doing about it? Players walk away with Erik Ten Hag, i can't see they do with Schreuder?
I hoped this will be a good year, but i'm afread it will not.
Good luck to Ajax in their league. They seem to be excellent at identifying talent - on field and staff. Hope the Antony saga didn’t do too much damage or burn too many bridges. Manager needs to learn tact.
It’s not “their league”.
They did very well to extract the Antony fee but everything since then has been a shit show of poor management.
"their league" means "whichever league they play in" not "the league they own".
Weren't you an AZ fan or am I confusing you with someone else?
Hilarious to see all these Ajax mercenaries down tools. The petty and jealous supporter in me finds it highly amusing that they all see Ajax as the insignificant stepping stone they are.
That is all.
That is all.
So so petty
I know, I'm almost ashamed about itSo so petty
I'd rather Berghuis personally.
But thankfully it's only a loan, he reminds me of Idrissi.
Not sure why we didnt sign the Benfica keeper.
Don’t worry the Benfica keeper ain’t worth the money you were going to pay anyways. You can find better.
We found none.
Do you also think Pasveer is insufficient? Weirdly most Ajacieden I know rate him very highly.
We do, but we have an issue if he becomes unavailable.
Very strong overall squad just short at CF and GK.
Fecking Noppert, cnut raised his game against us so much Vangle calls him up for the national team
I would've liked to see Xavi Ximons instead of either Klaassen or Til (probably Til), since those two are essentially the same person with different hair. And Geertuida is better than Rensch, but that's irrelevant since both are miles behind Dumfries anyway. Seems the weird renaissance of Vincent Janssen is permanent...
I would've liked to see Xavi Ximons instead of either Klaassen or Til (probably Til), since those two are essentially the same person with different hair. And Geertuida is better than Rensch, but that's irrelevant since both are miles behind Dumfries anyway. Seems the weird renaissance of Vincent Janssen is permanent...
Should have picked Geertruida over Rensch any day. Xavi is now selected for the youngsters but I do think LvG will bring him to the WC. fecking Vincent Janssen though?
Janssen, Jordy Clasie and especially Bruno Martins Indi.. why are they anywhere near the NT? At least this is just a pre-selection, but these players shouldn't even be considered.
Noa Lang being left out of this pre-selection is pretty suprising. He's obviously quite a character, but he did pretty well in the last set of matches. Didn't think he'd be dropped already.
Noa Lang being left out of this pre-selection is pretty suprising. He's obviously quite a character, but he did pretty well in the last set of matches. Didn't think he'd be dropped already.
Not really, Rensch is far better in the mind of Van Gaal because Rensch can play every position in defense, that's the reason Van Gaal gave the first time he called up Rensch. Easy player to free up some other spots in the squad