RAWK Goes Into Meltdown - Quadruple Watch 2022/23

[No Idea For Nickname]

a top 4 place at the moment looks very unlikely

I agree. We should be able to finish top 4 in this Champions League group easily

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let's talk about net spend...

What’s our net spend over klopps years? I’m sure it’s relatively low. Quite disappointed tonight

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Not great. But anyone questioning Klopp should feck off.

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No, that's how you are choosing to interpret it. To me he looks a limited footballer, for 100m we can't afford to write him off.

Where did you get 100m from

We spent 100m on a CF who looks miles away from being the required quality.

No we didn’t, unless you are including add ins yet to be earned and selecting a currency that allows you to use the magic 100m figure.

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The 4-1 defeat away to spurs in 2018 changed things and really kicked off the greatest era of watching Liverpool I've known.
Is one way to think about it.

ooh net spend

These are the net spend figures of us and our top 6 rivals since 2019:

United €447m
Arsenal €418m
Spurs €373m
Chelsea €313m
City €218m (obviously bullshit)
Liverpool €99m

And the net spends this summer

United €229m
Chelsea €223m
Spurs €131m
Arsenal €108m
Liverpool €9m
City €20m profit! (obviously bullshit)

Our next three are super tough.

Wolves, Ajax and then Chelsea away

 

[Carolina Red]

More complacency talk

Make no mistake, we are in car crash territory here. Jurgen and the players have to recognise that this level of performance is unacceptable regardless of who is on the pitch. We are simply not preparing for games properly, how can you be so off the pace from the 1st minute match after match. Why is Jurgen persisting with lineups with so many players off form? We're some players short but anyone would think we were down to the kids.

We had other options to start today. To compound this, to only make 1 change at HT made it look like it was just Joe that was the problem. No point waiting for 60mins, we needed changes earlier.

This has to be a watershed moment for our season, else things could slip away very quickly. We can't be arrogant to think that the quality we possess will suddenly snap into gear if we're not working hard enough for it.

I’m not blaming this on Milner. He has been brilliant for LFC. I got keeping him for the league cup or fa cup etc. But to have him as a starter in a champions league game is bordering on incompetent by the club not having other alternatives.

Tbf complacency actually sums up how Liverpool are being run at present
Every fan I know was of the opinion we needed new blood and to allow some to move on but it didn’t happen
Top 4 is at risk as everyone strengthened whilst we simply replaced, with only one addition who can start

Clear to see FSG have got away with murder in the lack of player recruitment and in a way Klopp shares blame fir not being more vocal

Aging midfield players: check
Prone to injury aging midfield players: check
FSG: we're good. We don't have any money for new players Jurgen sorry.

More net spend...

I've been very much trusting and non-reactionary when it comes to our business in the transfer market - after all, we've got so much right for years. However, I agree with a lot of what you said and I think they've let this squad go way short and been complacent.

These are the net spend figures of us and our top 6 rivals since 2019:

United €447m
Arsenal €418m
Spurs €373m
Chelsea €313m
City €218m (obviously bullshit)
Liverpool €99m

 

[Dumbstar]

With the greatest respect, you’re a pretty lame fan if this is the first time you’ve watched him. But yeah, he’s shit.

I don't have Sky or BT anymore and streams have gone to shit this season. Then Nunez gets himself fecking banned the asshole. Finally found a decent stream tonight.

His awareness, touch and release of the ball reminds me of the donkeys I play with on the weekends. Worrying.

 

[Carolina Red]

Regarding Alexander-Arnold...

Its easy….he is just a shit footballer that believes his own hype right now

Awk get lost with that shit there. He's been incredible for a few years. This is what gets levelled against him ?

Silly c*nt and anyone else who agrees with dick heads like this one, you're a c*nt too. Support a lad who's been the best right back in world football since he became a regular and for the first time really in his career is having a bad time, not helped by the whole team going through one too

He needs a spell out of the team, he’s literally not trying at times when we’re defending

It certainly seems that way. Every negative stereotype about trent is happening right in front of us at the moment

 

[Semper Fudge]

Don’t you watch your team play?

With the greatest respect, you’re a pretty lame fan if this is the first time you’ve watched him. But yeah, he’s shit.

Spending all your time desperately trying to wind up United fans leaves little room for anything else.

 

[TheNewEra]

RAWK is probably considering an alternative league table at this point, left footed goal table or something along those lines.

 

[Withnail]

 

[Rhyme Animal]

I was hoping for more delusion…

They seem to’ve defaulted to an almost submissive level of resignation… cmon RAWK, you can do better than this!

 

[Mibabalou]

Net spend is back on the menu, nature is healing.

 

[groovyalbert]

Salah has gone full Sanchez/Aubameyang since getting his big final contract. Completely clocked out. Mane was their engine up top, and they've lost all pace and power in midfield with Milner and Henderson getting on/Wijnaldum not being replaced.

 

[BigDycheEnergy]

Oh how I missed this feeling. Last season's CL final was of course a very recent highlight, but scouser misery that lingers is so much sweeter. I can almost feel the fear radiating from my Liverpool-supporting friends. Is this it? Will the glorious Klopp reign end with just 1 PL and 1 CL? Will they have to wait another 30 years for a PL trophy?

 

[FatTails]

With the greatest respect, you’re a pretty lame fan if this is the first time you’ve watched him. But yeah, he’s shit.

Grow up. People have lives outside being football fans. Also probably subconsciously, @Dumbstar was avoiding watching their 100m striker. Too painful.

 

[TheNewEra]

Salah has gone full Sanchez/Aubameyang since getting his big final contract. Completely clocked out. Mane was their engine up top, and they've lost all pace and power in midfield with Milner and Henderson getting on/Wijnaldum not being replaced.

I think everyone could see it 3 years ago though, the squad is all the same age really (talking about the elite players) so the drop off will be massive when it happens.

United have gone for a really young squad, I think the big thing for Liverpool is they can't spend huge, and when they did it was Nunez.

 

[Chief123]

Grow up. People have lives outside being football fans. Also probably subconsciously, @Dumbstar was avoiding watching their 100m striker. Too painful.

Stop being a melt.

 

[stevoc]

It's been interesting watching Liverpool sign so many of their late 20's/early 30's players to new long term contracts this summer. Will be fun watching that team all go over the hill together.

I posted this in last years thread, it's looking like it's going to be a fun season in the RAWK thread.

 

[Withnail]

Klopp out

Nunez always looked like a donkey. I was seriously worried when we were supposed to be in for him. Delighted it's all falling apart.

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

Feels a bit like Kenny's last season when we hit the post about 35 times (and also had Charlie Adam in midfield, who would probably be faster than half our team now...)...

This made me laugh then I realised it's true and felt like crying

Need to see

Matip
Thiago
Jota
Diaz
Nunez
Start against Wolves

Drop Salah, Firminho, Milner and Gomez…

We’ve gone stale
All the laughing at the Mancs opening results our downfall is worse, as we’ve come from a higher position…

Cup
Cup
Final
2nd by 1 point

They fecked everything and finished 5th
Plus they’ve got Casemiro, Anthony to bed in and the high of beating a shite Liverpool and Arsenal…

2nd by one point is still second..

Why did we let go of Neco ? Did he want to leave ? Because we could really use him right now.

Not good enough, Forest is his level

not sure Trent gets a game at Forest to be fair.

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We genuinely look like some upstart club who stumbled their way into CL football. The state of the squad is a shambles.

Love Milner but he should not be anywhere near the team in a playing capacity

I'm not really pissed off to be honest. We usually suck there but I hope this will serve as a wake-up call.

It's not a one off performance. This is the trend this season. We're not running. We aren't fighting. We aren't passing.
This is the norm. The wake up call was United game, but we are still sleepwalking.

said the other week we need to forget about the title and just concentrate on actually trying to get results. Same now applies to top 4. We're looking at a Hodgson season right now, or Klopp's last season at Dortmund. We're easy pickings for anyone with a decent gameplan.

It may turn when we get players back, Thiago the main gamechanger, but too many players are off the pace.

I disagree with you on most things but Carra saying anything above top four this year is a bonus

Scratching my head about VVD to be honest. My only theory is he would rather peak at the World Cup with his national side than perform for the club paying his wages

This is reminiscent of Rafa’s last season…..if we don’t beat Ajax on Tuesday….can see us dropping into Europa.
and in all fairness….at this rate it may be our best way of Champions League football for next season.
I’m genuinely worried.
I would play Thiago, Fab and Arthur On the weekend….need to keep the ball and stop these constant attacks on our defence.
Need to grind out results…..next 2 games our huge and we really have to win them both…..

Chelsea after too.

Just in time for their new manager bounce!

I know it was humid and the game was stretched and he's hardly kicked a ball since May but feck me, Artur walked about the pitch like a severely hungover Sunday league

Whoever Trent employs as his personal trainer during preseason needs binning. He’s put too much bulk on, he’s slow and looks knackered after 5 mins. He’s like a boxer who’s stepped up two weights

Absolutely. Can forgive mistakes but just can't forgive lack of effort.

Shameful as a scouser his attitude recently

Even Klopp is confused and that worries me. Unless he just doesn't want to say what the problem is in the public domain.

I have a feeling from watching Kloppo's BT Sport interview he's seriously pissed off with this lot now.

It’s the tipping point.

They either regroup and react or we will have a write off of a season.

Love the man and hope he manages us forever, but he should be taking his fair share of blame. The players are letting the manager down, but equally I feel the preparations for the season and the nonsensical new shape are letting down the players.

Shit, I wouldn't want to be in that dressing room tonight. He's mad as hell

 

[Fully Fledged]

59 minutes is good.
1 hour 21 minutes as well.

 

[Dumbstar]

Salah is a good talking point. Losing Mane meant Salah could finally rest on his laurels and boy has he done that. Forget TAA, Hendo, Milner, VvD and even Nunez (for now). The real question is where the hell has our most expensively paid player gone? That's the real scandal here.

 

[TheNewEra]

Jude Bellingham if you want Liverpool, think about United instead

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Salah is a good talking point. Losing Mane meant Salah could finally rest on his laurels and boy has he done that. Forget TAA, Hendo, Milner, VvD and even Nunez (for now). The real question is where the hell has our most expensively paid player gone? That's the real scandal here.

He’s being played wide right .. presumably to be a creator for star finisher, Nunez

 

[Pronewbie]

Watch them turn on their owners if their season collapses. And rightly so.

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

We were built off the Coutinho jackpot. In hindsight, it was probably the best business we will ever do. Since then we've spent like a team in the bottom half of the table. This squad is about to need a significant overhaul and we're likely to need much more than £150m to do it this time. There's no Coutinho either.

That Coutinho jackpot was the result of Klopp getting Coutinho to produce a level of Football that he had never produced before and has never got close to since he left. It is what Klopp has done throughout his career elevated players to incredible levels.
What the owners have done is cashed in on that jackpot and hoped Klopp could continue to produce miracles season in season out.
As you say our Net spend is an absolute joke.
We are in danger of killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Wasting the best years of Klopp and a generation of players.

We've been competing with sportswashers and doing a damn fine job of it too, but you can only stretch the elastic band so far before it breaks. We've had to go flat out season after season, and now it's really showing. The sportswashers can refresh at will, and with top quality. If a player doesn't workout, they can blow mega millions on a replacement.

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On the plus side, we will have fewer lads at the World Cup than we might have.

Well at least we didn't lose the second half

 

[Tarrou]

What a beautiful thing to wake up to

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

Klopp

‘We need to re-invent ourselves’

That’s a mother of a statement.

At least he’s come out and said it though, everyone can see the tactics aren’t working with the personnel we currently have. Be interesting to see what changes we make over the next couple of games

A bit worrying this is emerging now and not during preseason.

So the best manager we've had since Paisley spent the last hours of the transfer window frantically trying to plug a gap by loaning in a player the Juventus needed off their wage bill.
Oh well, at least our spending is "sustainable". I look forward to watching Arsenal, Spurs and West Ham going into administration in the near future due to their kamikaze spending. That ought to be a laugh.

I think Jurgen may have had his Paisley Boxing Day 1981 moment. After losing to City 1-3 at Anfield , he finally dispensed with his old team and replaced the likes of Ray Kennedy with Whelan, David Johnson with Rush, Thompson with Lawro, Terry Mac with Skippy etc. we went on an unbeaten run and his second great team won 3 leagues in row.
Time for Trent in midfield perhaps alongside Thiago ( Fabinho looks shot), and Bobby as a number 10 in a 4-2-3-1. Start playing Nunez so he can learn to play with Mo and Diaz. Oh, and play a defender as right back to make us difficult to play against ( Gomez).
No harm done if Jurgen does re- invent us.

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Painful to watch the same posters who have tied themselves in knots defending FSG’s lack of investment, now scratching there head as to whats going wrong. Mind boggling

This has nothing to do with FSG! With the players involved tonight, a team full of internationals, we should never be losing 4-1 to Napoli, this one is on Klopp and the staff, our structure and setup is too open and predictable, almost begging for Napoli to feck us over on the counter! fecking poor

Sportwashers are not really relevant. WE didn't help ourselves by only investing £4m. It reeks of arrogance.

I wonder if FSG considered that Bellingham doesn’t sign if we miss top four

Don't be silly. He's given his word.

The idea Bellingham is perfect btw (not that you're saying he is but that appears to be who we are waiting for) is absurd. He doesn't fix this. Several players are required.

This, of course, is all assuming that we’ll still be an attractive proposition for the likes of Bellingham.

I am not criticising you on this but I just hate this thing where we feel like we have to be worthy of a 19 year old kid playing in Germany.

But if he's in demand we have to be as attractive as the other clubs who want him.

No because we are a massive club thats been in 3 CL finals in what, 5 years? Also considering the fact that if we want him he will cost £100m then Id rather task our scouts in finding 3 players.
Id rather have 3 players that our recruitment team has found than Bellingham.

He gave us his word, you know?

We're six points from top and you're worry about missing top 4 at this stage of the season? Give your head a wobble.

We need to improve fast to make it.

We've played only SIX GAMES you fool.We're also only SIX POINTS behind the leaders..

The winner is:

That was the worst thing Michael Owen's ever watched, and he's seen his daughter get fingered on Love Island.

 

[Chief123]

Phil Thompson with his smug prediction before Utd v Liverpool match.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMNKUdjJK/

 

[Shai-Hulud]

59 minutes is good.
1 hour 21 minutes as well.

Hmm. These horrible scousers actually get views? Unbearable to listen to. They're not great to look at either.

 

[Carolina Red]

The winner is:

 

[FatTails]

Stop being a melt.

Ok grandpa.

 

[Fabio Rochemback]

That was the worst thing Michael Owen's ever watched, and he's seen his daughter get fingered on Love Island.

 

[Eyepopper]

June 2023 weekend deals in Istanbul suddenly going really cheap.

 

[UnRational]

As always @No Idea For Nickname thanks

 

[calodo2003]

As always @No Idea For Nickname thanks

Seconded. Great work too, @Carolina Red

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

that's some winner!

 

[antohan]

"You cannot compete at the top level with an aging squad. That’s what did for Moyes Everton side, sticking with too many elderly players until the whole lot collapsed together. That’s what is happening now to this Liverpool side"

Can't think of anything more depressing than drawing parallels to Moyes' Everton side.

 

[ElectroManiac]

The winner is:

That was the worst thing Michael Owen's ever watched, and he's seen his daughter get fingered on Love Island.

It's so nice to see this thread back to its best

 

[Carolina Red]

Can't think of anything more depressing than drawing parallels to Moyes' Everton side.

Especially for a Liverpool fan

 

[Basa1987]

RAWK is probably considering an alternative league table at this point, left footed goal table or something along those lines.

The Arse lot have the left foot table sewn up.

 

[tenpoless]

The winner is:

Knowing Owen he probably feels proud of it

 

[Real Name]

Bellingham gave his word.