How is this still a thing in 2022?
Which core competencies would they be then? Communicating with his defence? Commanding in claiming crosses? Physically dominating opposing forwards and being quick and aggressive off his line in a Schmeichel-like fashion? How you can possibly think that being good in possession is not a core competency is beyond me.
Seems like you are missing the point. Its not about DDGs saves or clean sheets. Its about getting a keeper who fits the style that Ten Hag wants to implement. DDG doesn't fit that style, not becoz of saves or clean sheets but becoz he cant play out from the back, and becoz he doesn't come out of his box to sweep and becoz he doesn't claim crosses. If DDG had all those, nobody would be looking to move him on...so to put it simply, DDG doesn't fit the style we want manutd to play going forward. Rather than telling us how great he was in a bygone era....tell us how he will be great in the current and future eras based on the style of play required
They are helping the team to achieve the way how the manager wants to play though. Our manager is ten Hag not Mourinho.
So going by your logic you think AWB is a better fit than Dalot because he`s a defend first full back which doesn`t fit your criteria for modern day players? Times change and dynamics evolve using what worked in a by gone era wont help you now when everyone is doing things differently and better than you
The last 5 golden glove awards have been won by either Ederson or Allison who fit that description so what on earth are you talking about?
Because De Gea has made countless of unforgiveable mistakes since 2018, completely dropped from The Spanish NT and stylistically not a fit for Ten Hag`s style. Shaw and Rashford attribute wise can fit the style but have a consistency issue. Being a "winner" is irrelevant Ronaldo is the biggest winner in the game but every man and his dog can see he`s a major major major issue on the pitch
Like all our players DDG had suffered from bad management and even worse coaching. Moyes was a mid EPL table manager, LVG was obsolete, Mou couldn't care less of development and Ole was a former reserve striker made manager, Yet the results had been, for most of the time, impressive. Sure United had seen better time but a player doesn't win 4 Sir Matt Busby player of the year out of Lulz. There's no doubt that DDG had flaws in his game. However his strengths are there to be seen as well and so is his attitude. In my opinion he's already improving his game. We've seen him going off his line this season. He'll improve.
Bad management how when he`s started in 90% of the games of all those managers? Under LVG specifically Frans Hoek one of the best GK coaches of all time in his book mentioned De Gea`s incapability and REFUSAL to adapt to a more all round style and that was when he was 24-26yrs old so no it`s also not bad coaching either because he intentionally chose not to improve his all round game. Asking him to play like a modern day GK now is demanding he completely abandons and changes what has served him in over a decade at 32yrs old much easier said than done and no he hasn`t been any different this season so far compared to previous 4yrs shot stopping and nothing else
A CF and GK are equal priorities not one or the other. Ten Hag`s style of football needs an all round GK to be successful just like Pep`s or Klopp`s
One can play week in week out and still be badly coached. I don't care what LVG's men said since they all struggled to understand how the EPL worked (and their football showed week in week out). What I do know is that every manager we had (including LVG) ended up using DDG as a first teamer, he's got the awards to show his worth and is already improving under ETH.
LVG was handicapped in the market as much as Moyes and Jose though if he got players he wanted instead of players forced on him he`d have fared better here. He also broke our Post Fergie Era trophy drought doubt some of his aspects as you want but he had a plan which could have worked in a better run club
I make you right about Henderson.
Ronaldo is 37, DDG is 31, Ronaldo wants out, DDG had stuck to us through thick and thin even when he was our biggest star, Ronaldo always blames others while DDG has taken his own responsibility during the Brentford game, DDG won the Sir Matt Busby player of the year LAST JUNE. So there's a bit of a difference right? David De Gea has been our first teamer GK since he joined the club and despite LVG and Ole having their own favourites in terms of competition. I am not saying that DDG is perfect far from it. All I am saying is that last year player of the year deserve this season to prove himself. Surely we've got other positions that deserves more urgent attention (ex STK)
Let`s be blatantly honest De Gea is here because of a faulty fax machine and Woodward`s panic tactics of offering him stupid wages he`d never get elsewhere not necessarily because he "loves" the club even though I do think he`s more settled at Utd now than 7yrs ago.
Winning POTY as a GK despite leaking 57 PL goals is quite remarkable TBH. It shows how good the keeper was and the shit he had in front of him. Which is no surprising really. Even now despite the change in personnel and despite the team is doing well we seem to lose games whenever certain players return back to the first team. Its as if some players are specialised in failure.
"Specialist in failure" as if De Gea`s mistakes didn`t cost us top 4 in 18/19, an FA Cup Final place in 19/20, a knock out place in the 20/21 CL or the EL Final in 2021? Let`s not get into last season where he wasn`t even amongst the best GKs in the league statistically. He`s been as directly responsible for our failures as the shit in front of him(which also needs replacing) and at his age on his wages he`s become a big liability if he isn`t heading that direction. He`s not the present or the future
EPL title winner, a regular first teamer since coming here, 4 times Sir Matt Busby player of the year (including last season), he pushed so many favourites out of the club most of whom went crying and screaming....I agree that DDG has flaws in his game but I wouldn't call him a specialist in failure.
Quite baffling that people can watch us play and come to this conclusion. We've just spent about 80m on Malacia and Lisandro who are fantastic ball players and have Varane and Dalot who can also play from the back yet we punt the ball long from 90% of goalkicks just because of de Gea's inability to play football. His weaknesses are crippling and a massive reason we can't control games with the ball. We never will be able to until he's been replaced and thankfully Ten Hag seems aware of this given the pursuits of keepers like Sommer and Trapp who have some ability to pass the ball.
He was more of a detriment than a positive contributor in that season
. We conceded 43 goals that season and he was dropped for fecking Lindegaard. Using it as some proof of his quality is laughable.I`m not calling him a specialist in failure either just pointing out that he`s not free from justifiable criticism and he`s as culpable as the rest in our failures recently despite his past(emphasis on PAST not current or future) achievements and we`re moving towards a style that makes him an Achilles Heel in our team that urgently needs replacing
Of course not. In fact I said again and again that he's got flaws. However considering the state of the squad (ie no STK, 1 RB and he's not that great, 1 LB and our only DLP has a pace maker) then you have to forgive me if I think that replacing last year's POTY is not our main priority especially since he seem to show some signs of improvement.
He was in the PFA team of the year during that season and went on winning the POTY award two years in a row afterwards.He was more of a detriment than a positive contributor in that season
What signs of improvement were there against Brighton, Brentford or Sociedad? Even in games we won he didn`t do anything different to what we`re used to seeing
Playing out from the back is nowhere entirely dependent on the GK. In fact, it's such a small percentage that depends on the GK. It's the defenders and the midfielders that are in sixes and sevens when pressed. And how you continue to want to pin it solely on DavidDG is beyond me. Sort out the outfield players and even DavidDG can be part of the "play it out from the back" team. Maybe with some effort but not impossible. All those GKs who people like to claim as being so good at playing out from the back, play our defenders and you can enjoy the goals conceded.
Weren't all those games the same ones Maguire played?
Do you have statistical data to back this up or just assumption? Because I watch a lot of TIFO analytical videos amongst others and read articles and I can tell you for a fact statistically you couldn`t be any more wrong about this statement. Even Newcastle of all teams have improved massively at playing out from the back when they signed Nick Pope, Brighton also improved when they signed Sanchez to replace Matt Ryan and Brentford also improved here when they signed David Raya so this negates your point about needing top class outfield players to play out from the back when you have a static GK in the posts if Mid Table clubs can pull it off. Going beyond De Gea Courtois was a very similar GK to De Gea at Chelsea and in his early Madrid days but massively improved on the ball and at sweeping under Ancelotti you can see how well he`s doing now and how it`s improved a once imbalanced Madrid defence
No!
I make you wrong.
You still do not get it. You words insinuate that all other keepers mentioned actually dont make saves. They do. They all make saves on per with David De gea. The reason they are better than DDG is becoz they make the same saves and more. They sweep up behind their defence, they pass better and command the box better. By the way, I hope you know that DDG had the worst save percentage at a certain point last season....so not only do they match DDG at what people think is his strength, they beat him in all his weaknesses. You seem to be stuck in a timeline that stopped in 2013 with DDG being a good GK. Since then, he has declined at the things he was good at and the whole GK role has been revolutionised. Its a no brainer, we need to sign a better keeper
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Cannot comprehend the level of stupidity behind this post.
Some absolute shockers in there, but wouldn't blame him for all of those either. But still, the point stands without me being pedantic about the video.
Respectfully disagree, not with the notion we need a neew keeper, been saying that since City got Ederson, but only about 40% of those are true howlers.
What he did afterwards isn't particularly relevant since we're talking about his ability to play in a title winning team. I'm not really fussed about awards like PFA TOTS, a keeper making it after being dropped for over a quarter of the season just says it all
All of that and he's also the best paid goalkeeper in the world by a margin. Two of our most average performers are our two highest earners on silly money.
