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Fecking westernersGianni Infantino loses the plot (WC 2002 Edition)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Fecking westernersHave you seen his "Best own goals and skills 1000 BC" compilation on YouTube? Well worth a look mate.
What a horrendous time for football. A full week of our despicable number 7 proving in glorious detail the extent to which he lives in a bubble, totally divorced from the real world. How depressing has that been, seeing a kid who grew up with feck all, loving the game like we do, morphing in to this moronic self-obsessive, diamond encrusted spanner? Hot on the heels comes this guy, shipped in as the antidote to the Blatters and Platinis of this world to steward the global care of the beautiful game, overseeing this shitshow of a World Cup and justifying the litany of universally condemned (well, universally bar a few head-the-balls in here) human rights abuses and denial of freedom. feck the whole lot of them. I'm thoroughly depressed with the whole thing.
Nah, bro. She's just reading the script written by someone else. On a more important issue, her voice just does not sit right for a journalist.
As long as the British Empire and the American government don't pay reparations for the millions of lives they destroyed through colonialism and slavery, I plug my ear when they or their citizens stand on their moral soapbox about other cultures.
Are the Swiss allowed to complain?
Their banks are safe havens for some of the most despicable people in the world, but anyone can complain. The problem is don't get upset or yell "whataboutism" when you aren't taken seriously b/c of the unsavory parts of your culture you choose to downplay.
They should of never have got the world Cup in the first place on sporting and football infrastructure.
The polictical side of things I really don't care about. It's thier country it's thier problem to sort out.
Usa had the World Cup in 94 while they were bombing the sh×t out the middle east. The bible belt of the country doesn't like gay people. Where was the outrage then.
The polictical side of things I really don't care about. It's thier country it's thier problem to sort out.
Usa had the World Cup in 94 while they were bombing the sh×t out the middle east. The bible belt of the country doesn't like gay people. Where was the outrage then.
What's the question we are arguing? I don't think you understand how this works...
But if you're only plugging one ear, are you half listening?!
So no moral judgments can be made by anyone British or American until reparations are paid for colonialism and slavery? Same go for the Italians? Colonialism and slavery were despicable and utterly, incontrovertibly immoral and wrong. But, again, that doesn't invalidate criticism of this world cup.
Really weird criticism. Why do you think she's can't compose that speech herself? And her voice? You don't like her accent or what?
How about Czechs then?
I don't really care if other parts of the world don't agree with my criticism. It's true irrespective of any of my own faults, my forefathers or random strangers that by chance live on the same continent. If Qatar wants to host a footballing world cup they have to live with football fans world wide having an opinion about their hosting of a world cup.
But but but what about the past.
Do you think that if everybody take this stance, the world will be a better place going forward?
He's a corrupt and utterly shameless bastard. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, which goes for his bit about people dying on the borders of the fortress europe, but of course it's completely meaningless whataboutism coming from him.
What an embarrassing opinion to have.Airpod in the other ear of course.
Anyone can make moral judgments, but don't be surprised if those judgments fall on deaf ears when you ignore or gloss over your own culture's moral inconsistencies. All I'm asking for is the same energy. And if that's too difficult, don't be surprised by the eye rolls.
Why are you posting here then?
Bit harsh to blame billions of Europeans alive now for something they didn’t do and can’t change (history).
I think slavery was/is wrong… but I cant have an opinion on Qatar/how the World Cup was granted?
What a delightfully misogynistic post.
Not until you start putting pennies in a jar to personally shop to everywhere that was formerly the empire.
Western citizens regularly criticize their own failings and injustices.
I just said anyone can complain (I actually am fond of the Czechs and the Swiss), and it's fine to have an opinion. I'm simply giving my own opinion. I can hold the view that slave labor is wrong and forcing humans that identify as LGBT into the shadows is wrong, and still, believe the West is populated by a bunch of immoral hypocrites.
My word.
Although TECHNICALLY speaking you could go back further and blame the Normans. Or Harald Hardraada for forcing the English king to march hundreds of miles to do battle on a hill which led to his death by arrow in the eye.
Or you could blame the Mercians for cutting deals with the Vikings. Reparations all around, we are all victims!!! And it's not like any OTHER cultures have committed brutal genocides. We don't need to worry about the Morori genocide for instance:. They're all dead! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriori_genocide
And then there's the Romans, "what did they ever do for us" you say! They certainly didn't enslave the English, right? We should ask for reparations from the Vatican city. And since they were foundational for our culture, let's have them pay billions to the world.
Reparations for history are a fecking nonsense and the whole notion is ridiculous.
Let's focus on the modern world before we start thinking about Cyrus or Alexander next.
It's mas that this has to be pointed out, but it's bang on and obvious.
1-300 years ago in england if you didn’t believe in god you could be executed, about 80 years ago almost everyone believed in god, now not so much.
They’ll catch up, history proves this.
it’s cool, just generally paint every single inhabitant of the west as immoral and hypocritical.The irony of course being plenty of inhabitants of the west are originally from many of the places you seem to suggest must hate the Brits.
Some of the takes in this thread are shocking, even for this place.
I'm sure all the dead workers and all the oppressed and the soon-to-be-killed in that part of the world feel much better now that they know Europeans did the same centuries ago.
I'm sure all the dead workers and all the oppressed and the soon-to-be-killed in that part of the world feel much better now that they know Europeans did the same centuries ago.
How do they fall into that when I simply made an opinion that wasn't a response to an argument? I would reread about logical fallacies and when they apply
Because of the internet
Probably shouldn’t use the internet though. That’d be hypocritical.
Blaming the culture isn't the same as blaming the people and knock-on effects still remain. Same reason why the US still has Civil Rights legislation and affirmative action even though most people aren't hardcore racists.
I don't follow. I really don't
I wonder which foreign undeclared bank account he got a payment to recently.
Not like Qatar to pay people to give a positive opinion about them is it or make absurd comments. I mean they would never.
I'm just glad the comments came from Gianni the head of FIFA who has no track record of corruption.
Not like Qatar to pay people to give a positive opinion about them is it or make absurd comments. I mean they would never.
I'm just glad the comments came from Gianni the head of FIFA who has no track record of corruption.
Will you still have this outrage in 4 years time when it's in the USA?
I agree but it was centuries ago, we are in the 2000s now where countries like Qatar should know better.
There's no way in any country that exploiting labour in conditions to the point where people die, and under regimes that oppress its own citizens such as LGBT communities over theological beliefs.
It’s ok. I’m not surprised.
Let's be honest, Western citizens criticize low hanging fruit. Racism is bad, but not care to address the mass incarceration of black and brown people. Poverty is bad, but very little said about the constant cutting of social welfare programs in underprivileged communities.
Here is one we can all get behind: Let's all ask for the US to be removed from all international sporting events until they grant universal healthcare for all its citizens. We can all rally around that right?