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as I said a couple of good games - one of which was not the final. Played well to beat Argentina, the rest of the group was easy. Then needed penalties to get past others
Btw, in finals we played very well and dominated most of the game. But one dive and laughable penalty fecked us up.
Nevertheless; To play in final you must beat 6 teams. You can't play "couple of good games" and play in final.
 

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Amateur league?

Are you all right?

I mean, the stuff you're writing is worryingly bad.
Mid 60s the Bundeliga turned pro, even then it take a few years for it to fully form into a proper professional league.

Check back and see when some of those guys actually played the game.

Just admit that your statement was hyperbolic & partial factually wrong and stop making a fool of yourself :lol:
I did. They aren't all time greats, which was the context of the comment I replied to. Outside of Muller only one could really claim to be the best in the world when they played. Which I've acknowledged. But he still wouldn't be an all time great.

I might also be wrong here but I don't Schnellinger was a striker either.
 

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Rudi Voller scored goals in in Italy though, when it was notoriously the meanest, maybe most difficult top league to score in ever (look at '89, top goalscorers were Van Basten, Maradona and Roberto Baggio! Voller was fifth). Scored in three World Cups, while Rooney scored one goal there, and was a Champions League winner with Marseille.
 

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Mid 60s the Bundeliga turned pro, even then it take a few years for it to fully form into a proper professional league.

Check back and see when some of those guys actually played the game.
Where did Bierhoff and Voller play for example?
 

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Mid 60s the Bundeliga turned pro, even then it take a few years for it to fully form into a proper professional league.

Check back and see when some of those guys actually played the game.



I did. They aren't all time greats, which was the context of the comment I replied to. Outside of Muller only one could really claim to be the best in the world when they played. Which I've acknowledged. But he still wouldn't be an all time great.

I might also be wrong here but I don't Schnellinger was a striker either.

I wouldn't label the players in question as all time greats either to be honest but it depends on how you define "all time great". Which strikers qualify for you as such, regardless of the country they played for?
 

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So?

In which game exactly we collapsed as you said?
Penalties don't count as win apparently. Only shit teams win on penalties. And pens are lottery you know. Me, you, Messi, Phil Jones....we all have exactly same chance to score a penalty. Basically a coin flip.
 

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They were great players no doubt. But all great world players no. Could be all time great German players.
You say it as if he were an all-time great Liberian. An all-time great German with such a World Cup record is an all time great full stop.

Seriously, the guy was first to score at least two goals in four consecutive World Cups, a feat no one else equalled until Klose did. Not Pelé, not Maradona, not Baggio, van Basten or Ronaldo. We had to wait for Klose.

There's a more appropriate question: os Klose an all time great? He sure has all the records, but outside the World Cup his career is a bit meh. So no, I wouldn't say so. Seeler though is an all time great for his club, his country and, through his exploits as striker and captain for them, an all time world great.

Unless all you guys take "all time great" to be a close -top 5?- greatest of all time (GOAT) I'm not sure what you are smoking.

If you acknowledge someone was indeed a great player (as you do) + that player was great for over a decade amassing a considerable body of work (i.e. not some short purple patch) + that player was sensational for both club and country (i.e. not a tournament player, nor a no show at the international events), what else do you need to be an all-time football great, inho? Uwinho Seelerinho, sorted.
 

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Penalties don't count as win apparently. Only shit teams win on penalties. And pens are lottery you know. Me, you, Messi, Phil Jones....we all have exactly same chance to score a penalty. Basically a coin flip.
Yeah basically he made a silly claim with no basis whatsoever.
 

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Musiala with 8 in front of the German team bus.

He would not have gone so early into the Chelsea team. They probably would have loaned him out or told him to bulk up... For him transferring to Germany was the best he could do.
He made the right choice to play for Germany.

In England, there are too many players who are overlooked. Like Tammy Abraham and Calum Wilson can probably do a job as a sub but they will never get much chance to play with Harry Kane around.
 

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Yeah but

"In November 2020, Musiala was called up to the England under-21 squad for the first time for their 2021 UEFA European Under-21 Championship qualification matches.He made his U21 debut as a substitute during a 3–1 victory over Andorra under-21s at Molineux Stadium on 13 November 2020. He scored his first under-21 goal during a 5–0 win over Albania at Molineux Stadium on 17 November 2020.After choosing to represent England's under-21s, the German football association indicated that they had stopped pursuing Musiala, with youth team coach Meikel Schonweitz stating: "He has clearly signalled to us that he currently sees his future with the English national teams. We accept his decision and wish him all the best for his sporting career." Musiala had previously indicated that he felt more comfortable playing for England at youth level than for Germany, as he grew up as a footballer at Chelsea with other English players, whereas for Germany he did not know any of the other players"

So how did he end up playing for Germany?

Who wants to play for a team coached by Gareth Southgate? And I know, he probably won't last forever but the people who see him as the right guy for the England job right now will remain. And even if they go, it's most likely a cultural thing deeply ingrained in the organisation. The DFB isn't perfect but it is still much more forward thinking than its English equivalent. Transforming an organisation like that takes many years - and a footballer's career is short.

Chances are Southgate wouldn't have nominated Musiala anyway because he's not playing in England.
 

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well could start with the Euros.... I didn't say they'd collapsed in this tournament. just that they had a habit of doing so
Well if its a habit what are you basing that claim on?

What happened in Euros? We just had a bad tournament, just a Scotland game was all right, Spain game was a chaos and ultimately we lost 5-3.
 

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Well if its a habit what are you basing that claim on?

What happened in Euros? We just had a bad tournament, just a Scotland game was all right, Spain game was a chaos and ultimately we lost 5-3.
as I said, based on the euros! drew with azerbaijan. scrapped past malta... beaten by mexico in the 2014. last to Iceland in 2017 and drew with greece.
 

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as I said, based on the euros! drew with azerbaijan. scrapped past malta... beaten by mexico in the 2014. last to Iceland in 2017 and drew with greece.
:lol:

Jesus Christ you dig up some random games up to 2014 to prove your silly non existent point. It's even 10 times worst than the original claim.

Fekin Azerbaijan. :lol:
 

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Why would Musiala have chosen England anyway? His father is Nigerian, his mother is German. He was born in Germany. He plays football at Bayern Munich in Germany.

Only because he played a few years in England at youth level you expect him to choose England, which have a long history of underachieving at big tournaments?
 

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What did he say?
He said there's there are things going on that I shouldn't make public. Maybe it's because we're old that we couldn't create any chances and attack.

I feel like the defense is blaming the attack and vice versa. KDB said something similar as well recently.
 

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About Musiala, with that surname I thought he was Polish, and yes, his mother is of Polish origin, but in that case it wouldn't be Musiała? with that rare Polish "l"? And why does he carry his mother's surname, and not his father's?
 

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About Musiala, with that surname I thought he was Polish, and yes, his mother is of Polish origin, but in that case it wouldn't be Musiała? with that rare Polish "l"? And why does he carry his mother's surname, and not his father's?
No idea how long the mother's family has been in Germany, that Polish "l" which is in fact pronounced like a "w" is usuall lost in translation, ignored and Germanized in such cases. A good friend of mine moved over as like a 10 year old and instead of "Mikołai" German authorities decided to put "Nikolaus" in his passport..
But great catch, I'll start calling him "Musiawa" now, just to call attention to myself, I like it.
 

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No idea how long the mother's family has been in Germany, that Polish "l" which is in fact pronounced like a "w" is usuall lost in translation, ignored and Germanized in such cases. A good friend of mine moved over as like a 10 year old and instead of "Mikołai" German authorities decided to put "Nikolaus" in his passport..
But great catch, I'll start calling him "Musiawa" now, just to call attention to myself, I like it.
That's good, so you'll be the coolest guy in every football conversation. Thanks, I didn't know about the Germanisation.
 

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Aye, I suppose it might. But not enough to be an all time great.

George Weah won it and nobody would classify him as an all time great.
Rummenige was world class striker/forward

You didn't say "all time great" you said world class /top striker

You are backtracking now, cause Germany had many of them through history.
 
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They were great players no doubt. But all great world players no. Could be all time great German players.
Beng the best in German football history means you are one of the best in the world at least.

We are talking about Germany, not Liberia or Egypt, countries which have barely produce top players in decades.
 

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That's good, so you'll be the coolest guy in every football conversation. Thanks, I didn't know about the Germanisation.
I think it is also the wish to "blend in" better. I have quite a lot of friends with Polish or Ukrainian background and it is quite common, that their names changed from Beata to Beate. From Alicia to Alice. From Ewa to Eva. And so on...
 

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I think it is also the wish to "blend in" better. I have quite a lot of friends with Polish or Ukrainian background and it is quite common, that their names changed from Beata to Beate. From Alicia to Alice. From Ewa to Eva. And so on...
I hade a friend in school, who for some reason went so far as lying about being able to speak Polish. Which is especially weird since there were a ton of kids around, who had some Polish ancestry. His parents had Germanized their names, too.
 

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That's more on the manager insisting on a overrated player like Mount.
Rice - Bellingham with Foden in front them is fantastic. Your central defense lacks players who can cope with pace.
Yeah Tomori has pace and obviously Walker could return tonight as well which is a lift
 

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:lol:

Jesus Christ you dig up some random games up to 2014 to prove your silly non existent point. It's even 10 times worst than the original claim.

Fekin Azerbaijan. :lol:
you asked for evidence. you got it. the fact you don't like it, well...
 

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you asked for evidence. you got it. the fact you don't like it, well...
Random games from qualification during 8 years up to now arent evidence for anything really, especially not that we collapse after few good games. I think you should stop cause the stuff you're writing is hilarious.
 

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Random games from qualification during 8 years up to now arent evidence for anything really, especially not that we collapse after few good games. I think you should stop cause the stuff you're writing is hilarious.
you're right.. I never should have thought I could have a balanced conversation with someone who comes across like a Tory MP in the UK. but congratulations on being ony the third person I've blocked on all socials