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[Sky1981]

How and why did Argentina fans greatly outnumber anyone else?
For opponents it was like playing in an away game - where the allocation for away fans had been slashed

Alot of them are Messi supporter and by default roots for Argentina.

I doubt most of the stadiums are real Argentina citizen, more like people rooting for Argentina and comes with their replica jersey

I think the allocation for each nations are roughly similar?

 

[Foxbatt]

No one who has any sense is going to say that Qatar is a beacon of democracy and human rights. But it's not whataboutism to say that many from the western countries who have invaded and bombed another countries are creating the biggest fuss.
Then someone is going to say that he/she was on the match in London. What did the British and Americans do? They elected the same guys back in.
They have held the Olympics in UK and now the next WC in USA. I never saw anything that said the Olympics should not be held in the UK because they illegally bombed and invaded Iraq. Neither is anyone saying anything about the WC being held in the USA next. The odd thing is it's not the people of the countries that have these deaths in Qatar it's complaining so much. It's the media and some people from the west.

 

[Withnail]

You’ve completely ignored my reply where I replied to the question that was asked. Here it is.

To this I will add racist news reporting by Dutch and German news channels. Plus also the bbc today making a big horaa about a Qatari sheikh putting a cloak on Messi. None of the hatred or criticism of Qatar matches the reality of the country or what it does.

it’s almost like that user you’ll find on every news forum Crime A ) “What an animal, dirty scum, bring back the death penalty, should burn him at the stake the filthy dog”
For crime b, which is exactly the same as crime a. “Silence” or “ if proven guilty hopefully the judge will give an appropriate sentence”

So again you can't back up the claim at all. You've pivoted to some vague accusation of a possible propaganda campaign.

The last point you've made also makes little sense to me. It's a straw man that doesn't seem to have any bearing on the discourse I've seen online. If you have a real example by all means quote it.

 

[Pickle85]

No one who has any sense is going to say that Qatar is a beacon of democracy and human rights. But it's not whataboutism to say that many from the western countries who have invaded and bombed another countries are creating the biggest fuss.
Then someone is going to say that he/she was on the match in London. What did the British and Americans do? They elected the same guys back in.
They have held the Olympics in UK and now the next WC in USA. I never saw anything that said the Olympics should not be held in the UK because they illegally bombed and invaded Iraq. Neither is anyone saying anything about the WC being held in the USA next. The odd thing is it's not the people of the countries that have these deaths in Qatar it's complaining so much. It's the media and some people from the west.

Apart from anything else this thread is full of people talking about exactly that. All this without it being a thread even dedicated to the 2026 WC.

 

[Rood]

Alot of them are Messi supporter and by default roots for Argentina.

I doubt most of the stadiums are real Argentina citizen, more like people rooting for Argentina and comes with their replica jersey

I think the allocation for each nations are roughly similar?

While we know that there are many local fans in Qatar who support Argentina (and likely others of Argentinian heritage travelling from Europe etc), there are still vast amounts who have traveled from South America

Pretournament ticket sales showed 60,000+ sold in Argentina and lots have turned up partway through also

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[AlPistacho]

This is not an answer to the question, it's pure obfuscation. One more time: do you think that anyone that expressed reservations about the world cup is racist?

It is an answer. 1) what is the criticism, if it were reservations about Qatar heat in July or not wanting to move it to December etc then obviously not.

2) If it’s about the apparent human rights issues and lack of LGBT laws then like I said and you consistently choose to ignore it depends on the factors I’ve already mentioned. And you’d also compare to how other countries with worse human rights records and similar lgbt laws were treated. Eg the WC in Russia, don’t recall Russia getting half the criticism or hate as Qatar. Yet it has similar lgbt laws, also didn’t Russia invade Crimea in 2014, and start a war with Georgia in 2010?

A war mongering nation was given more love and received less hate than Qatar. Maybe that’s Qatar’s real problem. It needs to stop being neutral and start being more like those that criticise it.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

But it's not whataboutism to say that many from the western countries who have invaded and bombed another countries are creating the biggest fuss.

Let's not call it whataboutism, then. But it definitely is a bizarre argument when used on the Internet against people/posters who were 100% against the invasion and bombing of those countries.

I mean, do you believe that the average person who is "creating a fuss" about Qatar's disregard of women's rights, LGBTQ+ rights, worker's rights and so forth - are/were supportive of, say, the war in Iraq?

Actually, forget about the average person. Let's talk about this place. Do you think that many (or let's say a significant number of) posters on here who have "created a fuss" about Qatar were fine with what happened in Iraq?

 

[Andy_Cole]

Let's not call it whataboutism, then. But it definitely is a bizarre argument when used on the Internet against people/posters who were 100% against the invasion and bombing of those countries.

I mean, do you believe that the average person who is "creating a fuss" about Qatar's disregard of women's rights, LGBTQ+ rights, worker's rights and so forth - are/were supportive of, say, the war in Iraq?

Actually, forget about the average person. Let's talk about this place. Do you think that many (or let's say a significant number of) posters on here who have "created a fuss" about Qatar were fine with what happened in Iraq?

We live in a time BREXIT was supported by most this country with their motive being reducing European rights. So yes, the west full of racist fecks.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

So yes, the west full of racist fecks.

Yes, it is.

A wind from the far right has been blowing over the West for years now, and we haven't felt the last of it.

Brexit is part of this - absolutely.

But - again - do you think that many (again: a significant number of) posters on here who have (in the words of the other poster) "created a fuss" about certain issues in Qatar are racist fecks?

I mean, to me it would seem likely that the average poster who has a problem with Qatar's treatment of gay people is not a racist feck. In a Venn diagram sort of way, that would surely make more sense.

 

[MDFC Manager]

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[hasanejaz88]

I picture the meme where the guy is crying behind a mask of a smiling face for people from the western countries celebrating that it was a great World Cup final. They wanted this world cup to fail so badly yet it turned out to be one of the best in recent memory.

 

[Raoul]

I picture the meme where the guy is crying behind a mask of a smiling face for people from the western countries celebrating that it was a great World Cup final. They wanted this world cup to fail so badly yet it turned out to be one of the best in recent memory.

It can be a failure and entertaining at the same time, which is what I think it will be remembered as long term once the euphoria of the final wears off.

 

[Withnail]

We live in a time BREXIT was supported by most this country with their motive being reducing European rights. So yes, the west full of racist fecks.

A very slim majority voted for Brexit and you can't claim all of them did it for racist reasons. Also this forum leans left so there's nowhere near a majority of British posters on here supporting Brexit.

 

[RacingClub]

It can be a failure and entertaining at the same time, which is what I think it will be remembered as long term once the euphoria of the final wears off.

Yeah although the 2005 European Cup win for Liverpool is viewed as one of the "Greatest" of all time (in terms of drama etc) I don't recall anyone bending over backwards to praise Istanbul for hosting it (probably because the hosts have no influence over the quality of the game).

 

[Pickle85]

It can be a failure and entertaining at the same time, which is what I think it will be remembered as long term once the euphoria of the final wears off.

Absolutely. Quite apart from anything else it will always be tainted by the way the host was decided. Also, if we're talking about failure, the Qataris failed to deliver upon what was originally promised. This world cup has been entertaining for sure but will always be remembered, for me, by the corruption that delivered it and what that confirmed about FIFA, leaving aside the human rights issues associated with it.

 

[Mshafeek]

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Most people here have no idea how big Argentina and Brazil are in the Indian subcontinent. I'm Indian and where I live, the WC is undoubtedly one of the biggest festivals of the land and the support for Argentina and Brazil rival that for the Indian Cricket team. The rivalry and the intensity is huge, really huge.

 

[Andy_Cole]

Yes, it is.

A wind from the far right has been blowing over the West for years now, and we haven't felt the last of it.

Brexit is part of this - absolutely.

But - again - do you think that many (again: a significant number of) posters on here who have (in the words of the other poster) "created a fuss" about certain issues in Qatar are racist fecks?

I mean, to me it would seem likely that the average poster who has a problem with Qatar's treatment of gay people is not a racist feck. In a Venn diagram sort of way, that would surely make more sense.

Yes. The most vocal people about Qatar are uncomfortable about Muslims having any sort of power. They’d probably rather their boss is a white male than a bearded Muslim.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

I picture the meme where the guy is crying behind a mask of a smiling face for people from the western countries celebrating that it was a great World Cup final.

2 genuine questions -

1. Do you live in one of ‘the Western countries’?

2. What do you have against ‘the people from the Western countries’?

 

[Mshafeek]

It can be a failure and entertaining at the same time, which is what I think it will be remembered as long term once the euphoria of the final wears off.

You for real? Failure? Even english media who were blasting qatar are praising this to be one of the greatest WC ever and the greatest final ever. Controversies doesn't stop it from being remembered as a hugely popular WC.

 

[Andy_Cole]

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Football is huge in India. Unfortunately their national team is terrible. Many of them have adopted Brazil and Argentina as their team.

 

[AlPistacho]

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Wasn’t that in regards to videos of people in Bangladesh going mad celebrating Argentina going through to the finals went viral and caught the Argentine media attention.

 

[Raoul]

You for real? Failure? Even english media who were blasting qatar are praising this to be one of the greatest WC ever and the greatest final ever. Controversies doesn't stop it from being remembered as a hugely popular WC.

We're not talking about the entertainment value of the football. We're talking about the totality of the event - the logic of having a WC in Qatar, in winter no less, thereby disrupting the league seasons because the host country fecked up and concluded they couldn't after all host a summer WC, the migrant issue, the LGBTQ issue, the police state nonsense of blocking people from wearing their clothing of choice at venues etc. When viewed in totality, these failures were tempered by entertaining and memorable football.

 

[hasanejaz88]

2 genuine questions -

1. Do you live in one of ‘the Western countries’?

2. What do you have against ‘the people from the Western countries’?

1. Yes I do, lived in a variety of countries (Pakistan, Nigeria, South Africa, Canada and currently Germany)
2. I hate their refusal to accept their hypocrisy, how they'll let shit that their pals do slide because they have economic ties with them and within the same breath try to morally police others.

I have no issue with what they do, any country in power has and will continue to do. It's their refusal to accept it and continue to act sanctimonious that annoys me. I fully support the issues they raise, but then I don't like the way they try to tell the world while ignoring what their friends do.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Yes. The most vocal people about Qatar are uncomfortable about Muslims having any sort of power. They’d probably rather their boss is a white male than a bearded Muslim.

On here?

You think the most vocal people on here would rather have a "white male" boss than a "bearded Muslim"?

I'm not targeting you, to be clear - I just think this is important. Let's be clear about what we actually think here - let's just have it out.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

I hate their refusal to accept their hypocrisy, how they'll let shit that their pals do slide because they have economic ties with them and within the same breath try to morally police others.

The other poster asked you about the people of Western countries. Not the governments.

Do you accept that the people of Western countries (however that rather broad category may be defined) could be vehemently disagreeing with the policies carried out by their governments?

 

[Giggsyking]

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British media

Like they never seen the prices of the CL finals nor the WC finals in the last 16 years. Fecking hypocrites.

I tried to buy a fecking europa league final ticket in Stockholm united vs Ajax and it was for 20000 swedish crona, for a fecking europa league final.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

British media

Fecking hypocrites.

Do you reckon the British Media are more or less impartial than the Qatari media?

 

[Giggsyking]

Do you reckon the British Media are more or less impartial than the Qatari media?

I am not discussing the Qatari media. If you want, you can do that. I brought a stupid take by the hypocrite British media. If you agree with it or not, is up to you.

 

[calodo2003]

I am not discussing the Qatari media. If you want, you can do that. I brought a stupid take by the hypocrite British media. If you agree with it or not, is up to you.

So, whatsboutism only on your own terms & when you feel it helps your cause?

Got it.

 

[Giggsyking]

So, whatsboutism only on your own terms & when you feel it helps your cause?

Got it.

No, I said he can bring up whatever he want, I am not going to cry "whataboutism" if he show the hypocrisy of the Qatari media.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

I brought a stupid take by the hypocrite British media.

What you posted wasn't published by "British media", though. It was published by one particular outlet.

Do you think "British media" in general is hypocritical? Or for that matter, do you think "British media" is pretty much the same thing regardless of particular outlets?

Furthermore, what do you think about the media situation in the UK on the whole?

1) Free press (but many outlets are shite and publish crap mainly intended to generate money).

2) Free press (and most outlets publish 100% objective news for the good of ordinary folk).

3) Not free press (the outlets publish government propaganda).

Also - do you think there is any kind of difference between "British media" and "Qatari media", and, if so, what do you think that difference might be?

(The correct answer is: 1)

 

[hasanejaz88]

The other poster asked you about the people of Western countries. Not the governments.

Do you accept that the people of Western countries (however that rather broad category may be defined) could be vehemently disagreeing with the policies carried out by their governments?

Spoken to plenty of people here who aren't part of the government.

People can disagree with policies but would never go to the lengths they've gone to here to try and belittle this tournament, which is what I've said a lot of times.

 

[calodo2003]

No, I said he can bring up whatever he want, I am not going to cry "whataboutism" if he show the hypocrisy of the Qatari media.

Perhaps not, but there will be the reflexive defense of Qatar, no doubt.

 

[Giggsyking]

What you posted wasn't published by "British media", though. It was published by one particular outlet.

Do you think "British media" in general is hypocritical? Or for that matter, do you think "British media" is pretty much the same thing regardless of particular outlets?

Furthermore, what do you think about the media situation in the UK on the whole?

1) Free press (but many outlets are shite and publish crap mainly intended to generate money).

2) Free press (and most outlets publish 100% objective news for the good of ordinary folk).

3) Not free press (the outlets publish government propaganda).

Also - do you think there is any kind of difference between "British media" and "Qatari media", and, if so, what do you think that difference might be?

something between all 3
not one of them

There are journalists who have free voices, but if you are going to work for a large media outlet you are selling your soul to their agenda. Do you not believe that large media corporations have some form of an agenda? This have been proven by studies in the past 3 decades.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Spoken to plenty of people here who aren't part of the government.

People can disagree with policies but would never go to the lengths they've gone to here to try and belittle this tournament, which is what I've said a lot of times.

I'm sorry, mate - but I don't understand what you mean.

They would never go to the lengths of belittling any other tournament that was...what?

Why exactly did they go to such lengths to belittle this particular tournament?

 

[bond19821982]

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How exactly is it fake ? With the same logic, I am also a fake supporter of United , since I am not from Manchester ?
If their own nation isn't playing, they are free to support whomever they want.
Jeez, common sense isn't that common , is it.

 

[2mufc0]

How exactly is it fake ? With the same logic, I am also a fake supporter of United , since I am not from Manchester ?
If their own nation isn't playing, they are free to support whomever they want.
Jeez, common sense isn't that common , is it.

He's being sarcastic bro.

 

[bond19821982]

He's being sarcastic bro.

Oh, my bad then . Apologies @MDFC Manager

 

[Chesterlestreet]

something between all 3
not one of them

There are journalists who have free voices, but if you are going to work for a large media outlet you are selling your soul to their agenda. Do you not believe that large media corporations have some form of an agenda? This have been proven by studies in the past 3 decades.

So, there are journalists who have free voices?

(In the British media - yeah?)

Sounds promising. I would like to believe that.

(I have a much harder time to believe it for Qatari journalists.)

As for "large media corporations", I not only believe they have an agenda - I know for a fact that they do. But that was never the question, was it?

 

[AlPistacho]

We're not talking about the entertainment value of the football. We're talking about the totality of the event - the logic of having a WC in Qatar, in winter no less, thereby disrupting the league seasons because the host country fecked up and concluded they couldn't after all host a summer WC, the migrant issue, the LGBTQ issue, the police state nonsense of blocking people from wearing their clothing of choice at venues etc. When viewed in totality, these failures were tempered by entertaining and memorable football.

Didn’t Celtic get fined because it’s fans were waving the Palestinian flag? So let’s be honest, the LGBT logo is more about the political statement and not the clothing. It happens to be a political statement the Qatari don’t want being advertised. Instead of fining people they simply asked them to remove it or denied them access to the stadium.

Wearing their clothing of choice ? Isn’t in parts of Europe where the face veil and a specific type of swimming outfit is banned?

In Qatar no outfit is banned. There is a minimum decency level. Just like in the U.K. you’d get arrested for walking around naked, Qatar also has a threshold. If you look at most of the female fans they are dressed just like they’d normally be dressed in the West. Jeans, t-shirt etc.